Well the time is approaching to vote someone in to run the club , I've been a member of senbsa for years & it sadden's me to say it's time for some fresh face's & idea's. I've been carefully following what people have to say about the our club & sadly I have to agree with most that it's time for a change. We need to do whatever it take's to keep moncton trails & do a better job of grooming all trails.I believe the last meeting/voting is monday april 14th at the hunters room in riverview.I normaly dont say much about the politics of snowmobiling but things need to change so we can once again be proud to be a memeber of senbsa.

I agree does anyone know for sure when we are to vote? This is the time we need to see all the people that were complaining this year. It is just one night to vote and if you don't show then I would say you should not complain next year if things don't change.

REN06

The impression I was given is you have to actually have the $15-$25 club membership in order to vote. The fact that you may have chosen club #20 on your pass does not (in the executives eyes) make you a member of SENBSA.

You are correct too be eligable to vote you need to purchase a $15 or $25 membership, simply putting club 20 on your trailpass does not entitled you too vote. On another note it's good to see other's want a change aswell.

to sign up as quickliy as possible to vote whp can I pay?

I purchased mine at the clubhouse early in the season ,but I'm told many are buying them at reliable rentals on collishaw in moncton.

You can get them at Maritime brake and clutch on Main st. It is worth the $15.00 just to get a passcard to the clubhouse if needed in an emergency.


MUBS

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I think, Senbsa should give groomers to Saint Anthony and Goshen Clubs.

How can they force you to buy another membership. If you put club #20 on your membership you are a member of that club. It has been this way since the federation was started. That club gets part of your money you pay to the federation. Do they have their own rules? I would challenge this if I was you guys.
hrdwr

When you put club #20 on your permit does this give you a membership or just direct the club portion of the pass to that club.
Is there two levels of membership? Voting and Non Voting??

According to the By-laws "Members of the association shall subscribe to the constitution and by-laws" and have been approved by the BOD (don't have the exact wording for that). It also says that "Active members shall have a current club membership".


Here is a link to the membership form.

http://www.senbsa.com/members.php



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You are 100% correct, but lets not loose focus on why we want some new blood running things, better trails(groom more than once a week) keep the trails we have & expand if & where possible.I for one would also love to see the old trailtalk magazine again,Unless you have access to the internet chances are you wouldnt know about any upcoming events other than word of mouth. I also agree its time to amend some of these ridiculous by-laws that we currently have.Also it's time to stop wasting money on wages other than the groomer operators & the people who repair the groomers.Alot peole dont realize how much is spent on what.These things need to be adressed ASAP. M2C

Is there a list of candidates for certain roles? Do the nominations and voting take place all the same night? I am sure there will be no "debate" happening, but just new faces and not a change in "vision" will not be much good.

I have heard lots of rumours about what might and could happen....hell a forum member managed to quiet Kent shelter by mentioning the word election during the midnight poker run.

If everything stays all hush/hush and secret squirrel, are we any further ahead?

I, like many others, have my membership card, what are my voting options.

OK GUYS AND GALS.....

HERE IT IS...YES YOU MUST BE A $15 OR $20 MEMBER OF SENBSA TO VOTE. NOT SURE WHY THIS IS, BUT IT IS....MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING TO LOOK AT FOR NEXT YEAR...

THE HISTORY OF THIS CLUB HAS NOT GENERATED A HUGE DESIRE FOR PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED, HOWEVER, NOW IS THE TIME ...WE DESPARATELY NEED NEW BLOOD, NEW IDEAS, POSITIVE THINKING TO LEAD THIS CLUB....THEREFORE, WE ARE CALLING FOR A GREAT TURN OUT ON APRIL 14TH..HUNTER'S ROOM, KINSMEN CENTRE, RIVERVIEW....

I WOULD BE WILLING TO LET MY NAME STAND AS VICE PRESIDENT OR PRESIDENT...IF I'M CONFIDENT THAT I'M SURROUNDED BY FORWARD THINKING SNOWMOBILERS THAT WILL ALLOW THEIR NAME TO STAND AS DIRECTORS OR EXECUTIVES...

AFTER CONSULTING MANY SNOWMOBILERS, A CONSENSUS OF MANY IS THAT THE NEW BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER A MAJOR TRAIL SYSTEM FROM ST ANTOINE TO MONCTON TO SALISBURY AND THAT PLACEMENT OF GROOMERS SHOULD BE STRATIGIC POSSIBLY AS FOLLOWS:

- ONE IN CALEDONIA MOUNTAIN
- ONE IN RIVERVIEW
- ONE IN MONCTON/SALISBURY

I KNOW THIS MAY SOUND STRANGE FOR SOME, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME GREAT SUPPORTERS WITH A VESTED INTEREST IN SNOWMOBILING THAT ARE WILLING TO HOUSE AND ASSIST IN MAINTAINING OUR GROOMERS AND EQUIPMENT....MAYBE IT'S TIME TO HAVE SOME OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY MORE ACTIVE IN OUR OPERATION...

THESE ARE MY THOUGHTS AND COMMON WITH MANY OTHERS...HOWEVER THEY ARE NOT THE PLATFORM OF SENBSA ...WHICH IS WHY WE ARE CALLING FOR MEMBERS TO GET INVOLVED AND HELP MYSELF AND OTHERS TO GUIDE THIS CLUB INTO A POSITIVE 2008-2009 SNOWMOBILING SEASON. AGAIN, DO NOT CONFUSE THIS...AS A DIRECTIVE OF THE CURRENT BOARD OF DIRECTORS THIS THREAD IS ASKING FOR SOME INSITE AND I HOPE THIS HAS HELPED...

FOOD FOR THOUGHT....

POSSIBLY OUR DIRECTORS SHOULD REPRESENT IDENTIFIED ZONES, WHICH MAY DEVELOP INTO COMMITTEES WORKING UNDER CASHDRAW, ADOPT A TRAIL, TRAIL PATROL AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO HOLD A ZONE MEETING FOR TRAIL DEVELOPMENT, SIGNAGE AND REPAIRS...THE POSSIBLE ZONES COULD BE :

- ZONE 1......HILLSBOROUGH TO GOSHEN
- ZONE 2.....MONCTON TO ST. ANTOINE
- ZONE 3.....SALISBURY TO MONCTON & RIVERVIEW
- ZONE 4.....RIVERVIEW TO CALEDONIA

HERE ARE A FEW THINGS TO THINK ABOUT....PLEASE GET INVOLVED AND SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS....ALL OF THESE IDEAS COULD BE A POTENTIAL BYPRODUCT OF THE NEW BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

RESPECTFULLY,




DAVE GARLAND

Very well said .

u got my vote dave all be there

We need to do something soon because they want to break away from NBFSC and have a private club so then they could do there own thing which is what they've been doing anyways. Theres alot of guys with their hands in cookie jar up on the mountain that could care less about snowmobile trails. Its time for a change.

Here Here

Couple of points from a quick read thru this thread, from an outsider:

-In NS, buying a permit has nothing to do with gaining club membership. Still need to buy a $20 club membership to belong to a club.

-If our clubs had to pay any wages at all, we'd be selling our groomers because we couldn't afford it. Everything is volunteer (even groomer operators), with maybe a very few exceptions. I can't understand why a club would have to pay any wages, outside of groomer operators or kitchen help in situations where the volunteer thing won't work.

-How can a club survive if they leave the Provincial organization? Wouldn't trail pass buyers then just buy their passes from another club so they will have a permit that will be good across the province?

That's all. Good luck going forward in all of this to everybody involved, I didn't get there this year but that is one of our few out of province day trip destinations.

Do you really believe what you write?
Do you really believe they could break away from NBFSC and survive as a private club?
The liability insurance alone would kill them.
Plus if they can survive on their own with sufficient membership base then more power to them, why put up with a bunch of whiners when you can become a private club and eliminate all the whining.

They have already written and submitted a letter to the federation stating effective April 15 2008 they will no longer maintain the trail from Mcglaughlin road to Petitcodiac lake, hence cutting them off from all but the southern portion of the province ( Goshen/ Mill stream/ Saint John trails). If no other club picks up the slack, SENB will become an isolated snowmobiling area.

Monetary assests for the club total approximately $100K per the last treasurers report I heard, that does not include the physical assets such as the 3 Tuckers or clubhouse and groomer shed.

A single gate at Teahans corner could effectively isolate SENBSA as a private club and any machine on any trail could be required to pay a user fee.

So to answer your question...yeah I believe.

SENBSA historically did not groom the Moncton side, but agreed to a number of years ago. Geographically it makes no sense for SENBSA to maintain this area. Grooming didn’t work-out so they have requested to abandon that trail.

Now if SENBSA became a private club with a gate members would have to buy a private trail pass or membership and then a provincial trail pass to get to Adair’s for gas and lunch. Riding a small limited area (limited by Teahan’s Corner) would not be very attractive to members (those which whine about $130 already being too expensive)

About the only thing SENBSA owns is the piece of land the building sits on, and it would be a pretty amazing feat to get permission to gate Teahan’s corner and all the other access points (and then man the gate, considering the trails can’t even be policed to enforce trail passes). The land (secured by NBFSC contracts and insurance) is a combination of private and Crown lands. SENBSA wasn’t even successful lobbying DNR for a bridge across Crooked Creek.

Without substantial membership and a comparable trail fee of $130 that $100K in the bank wouldn’t go very far.

Sorry I just don’t think people put much thought into these comments…………..

HERE IT IS...YES YOU MUST BE A $15 OR $20 MEMBER OF SENBSA TO VOTE. NOT SURE WHY THIS IS, BUT IT IS....MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING TO LOOK AT FOR NEXT YEAR...

This is a good policy to protect the interests of the club. It prevents 300 season pass holders for Zone 20 from Nova Scotia coming to a meeting an overrunning the club’s foundation. It would be foolish to change this and it’s only at issue because an outside group is trying to over run the board.

THE HISTORY OF THIS CLUB HAS NOT GENERATED A HUGE DESIRE FOR PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED, HOWEVER, NOW IS THE TIME ...WE DESPARATELY NEED NEW BLOOD, NEW IDEAS, POSITIVE THINKING TO LEAD THIS CLUB....THEREFORE, WE ARE CALLING FOR A GREAT TURN OUT ON APRIL 14TH..HUNTER'S ROOM, KINSMEN CENTRE, RIVERVIEW....

What are the new ideas and positive thinking, what don’t you like about the current SENBSA other than they’re not interested in grooming the Moncton side. They’ve manage the money, they've managed to accumulate assets (groomers, club house) and cash in bank for rainy day). You haven’t given me a reason to vote for you, put some depth behind the words as they currently mean nothing, even politicians have platforms to get people interested.

I WOULD BE WILLING TO LET MY NAME STAND AS VICE PRESIDENT OR PRESIDENT...IF I'M CONFIDENT THAT I'M SURROUNDED BY FORWARD THINKING SNOWMOBILERS THAT WILL ALLOW THEIR NAME TO STAND AS DIRECTORS OR EXECUTIVES...

Can you enlighten me as to what experience you have a running a comparable organization so I feel confident I would be casting my vote in the right direction?

AFTER CONSULTING MANY SNOWMOBILERS, A CONSENSUS OF MANY IS THAT THE NEW BOARD SHOULD CONSIDER A MAJOR TRAIL SYSTEM FROM ST ANTOINE TO MONCTON TO SALISBURY AND THAT PLACEMENT OF GROOMERS SHOULD BE STRATIGIC POSSIBLY AS FOLLOWS:

- ONE IN CALEDONIA MOUNTAIN
- ONE IN RIVERVIEW
- ONE IN MONCTON/SALISBURY

I KNOW THIS MAY SOUND STRANGE FOR SOME, HOWEVER, THERE ARE SOME GREAT SUPPORTERS WITH A VESTED INTEREST IN SNOWMOBILING THAT ARE WILLING TO HOUSE AND ASSIST IN MAINTAINING OUR GROOMERS AND EQUIPMENT....MAYBE IT'S TIME TO HAVE SOME OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY MORE ACTIVE IN OUR OPERATION...

I’ll challenge this idea………as to why it makes sense to locate only one groomer in the area (Caledonia Mtn) where you get the most snowfall, and have the most number of miles of trails to groom and it take 2 groomers a numbers of days to return the area to acceptable after a heavy snowfall or high traffic. Then locate the other groomers in areas of low snowfall and fewer miles to groom. What makes a good leader is listen to the masses, take into account many factors and then make a good suggestion/decision. I simply don’t agree with your logic.

Get the business community involved (meaning money for the club)……. What business or types of business have you identified? Businesses want a financial return for their investment.

THESE ARE MY THOUGHTS AND COMMON WITH MANY OTHERS...HOWEVER THEY ARE NOT THE PLATFORM OF SENBSA ...WHICH IS WHY WE ARE CALLING FOR MEMBERS TO GET INVOLVED AND HELP MYSELF AND OTHERS TO GUIDE THIS CLUB INTO A POSITIVE 2008-2009 SNOWMOBILING SEASON. AGAIN, DO NOT CONFUSE THIS...AS A DIRECTIVE OF THE CURRENT BOARD OF DIRECTORS THIS THREAD IS ASKING FOR SOME INSITE AND I HOPE THIS HAS HELPED...

FOOD FOR THOUGHT....

POSSIBLY OUR DIRECTORS SHOULD REPRESENT IDENTIFIED ZONES, WHICH MAY DEVELOP INTO COMMITTEES WORKING UNDER CASHDRAW, ADOPT A TRAIL, TRAIL PATROL AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO HOLD A ZONE MEETING FOR TRAIL DEVELOPMENT, SIGNAGE AND REPAIRS...THE POSSIBLE ZONES COULD BE :

- ZONE 1......HILLSBOROUGH TO GOSHEN
- ZONE 2.....MONCTON TO ST. ANTOINE
- ZONE 3.....SALISBURY TO MONCTON & RIVERVIEW
- ZONE 4.....RIVERVIEW TO CALEDONIA


It seems the Zone concentrates the bulk of the power around Moncton which seems to be the directive (getting Moncton trails groomed).

Make me vote for you……..and change my mind your focus isn’t Moncton area and is for the better good of the heart of the club which is historically located on Caledonia Mtn. Thanks

NS600 with the intelligence you have and the never wrong attitude, I cannot believe that off-roading in your province is in the situation that it is, you should single handedly be able to fix that and world hunger all at the same time.

For SENBSA members if you are or are not happy with the situation of the trails and club, it is your duty to come to the meeting on the 14th and vote.

Thank you NS600 for responding to this thread...

You appear to be as intelligent and well versed as some of our current directors...hope you can come to N.B. and attend our meeting.....I would like to meet you and get you involved in the operation of our club....

To respond to some of your issues, unfortunately, I am not as savy in my internet skills ... I must respond by line item...

-as for the $20 membership...I would rather a few trail permit holders speaking in a meeting that have an invested interest in the sport by being a trail permit holder than an outspoken none snowmobiler with $20 in their pocket that feel they need to get involved

-as for the quote "300 snowmobilers from N.S.", we would embrace them in our club to hear what they would have to say as they are truly more dedicated to travel to the Moncton area to enjoy our sport, thus a commom thread....please come to our meeting.....

- as for your next topic, the new ideas and forward thinking of the club shall be the brain child of the new executive, as I proposed the club to be run by a show of hands of general membership and directors, not by the ideas that I have....

- yes they have managed our money, and have done a pretty good job...yes we have an investment certificate for rainy days.....what a wonderful thing....may I remind you that investment certificate is meant for snowy days so we can spend it as we are a non for profit organization and should give back to our members in a responsible way and not go broke.....I'm sorry ...I'm not a politician...this is not a platform ..this is to entice our members to get involved to make a co-operative, positive, 2008/2009 season....

- the next point as to my experience...I have not run any snowmobile club and will not try to convince anybody that I am the answer...I run my own small business in Moncton and I am a Past President of the Canadian Decorating Products Association and current Past President of the Paint and Decorating Product Association of North America...does this make me quality for this position???? No...but it should convey that I am a team player and willing to volunteer my time for the expansion of this club and the involvment of new people...

- Thank you for challenging my logic on the placement of groomers....it truly would by the decision of the new executive to make this decision...sometimes I question my own logic...however, when you have approximately 800km of trails to groom, my logic goes to 1/3, 1/3, 1/3, has got to be easier than having the tail wag the dog...it must be exhausting for the groomer chair when it snows to deliver and groom such a large territory... trucking, floating,loading and unloading such an unusal beast (tucker) and drag...

- As for getting the business community more involved, I have had conversations with some local heavy equipment companies that have graciously and unbelievably offered their shops, their equipment, their time and their people to house, maintain and assist in the vitalilty of SENBSA.....I'm always amazed at the incredible support that we have..whether I am involved or not, these people are truly amazing....

- As for the zones....this will be dealt with at election night.....

- you say "make me vote for you"..don't vote for me, vote for the concept....get involved if you believe in it...make it happen! My heart and camp is in Caledonia Mountain...I don't even live in Moncton..but I see the need for trail 34 to be properly groomed and the need for a trail to Salibury and possibly Caanan in the near future...

Respectfully,


Dave Garland

Sorry ns600, but you otta know how deep the water is before you dive in.

Well said Dave!

Sorry ns600, but you otta know how deep the water is before you dive in.



I'd rather stand back and watch him dive into the shallow end with no water in the pool...think i'll jump on a forum from Wisconsin or Newfoundland now and voice my opinion since i've got nothing better to do with my time than stick my nose into something that really doesn't concern me and rattle the cage in a zone that i don't have any monetary interest or vested personal interest...

quote name='NS600' date='Apr 4 2008, 03:28 PM' post='3871759']
“SENBSA historically did not groom the Moncton side, but agreed to a number of years ago. Geographically it makes no sense for SENBSA to maintain this area. Grooming didn’t work-out so they have requested to abandon that trail.”

Well let me add my 2 cents to this
You are correct NS600 SENBSA did not groom the Moncton side. In the early 90’s we wanted to have our own club on the Moncton side but the federation thought that it would be better if they made SENBSA or St Anthony into a stronger club by adding the Moncton members to them. SENBSA agreed and said if all those members join the club they would invest in a third groomer and station it on the Moncton side. This would take the condition of Ice on the Peticodiac River out of play ( can you imagine not stationning a groomer on the mountain. I guess NS600 even bringing back some old practices would be welcomed )
SENBSA did a great job for a few years then as you know the snow did not always co-operate with the Moncton side but the members still put their money with SENBSA knowing it would snow again. And guess what the snow showed up this year and there were no groomers out and there was no trail preparation done. That is why the Moncton members are upset, they paid their dues for years and SENBSA did not do what they agreed to do. You would not hire someone to do a job for you and after when the job was not done pay them anyway.

“HERE IT IS...YES YOU MUST BE A $15 OR $20 MEMBER OF SENBSA TO VOTE. NOT SURE WHY THIS IS, BUT IT IS....MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING TO LOOK AT FOR NEXT YEAR...
This is a good policy to protect the interests of the club. It prevents 300 season pass holders for Zone 20 from Nova Scotia coming to a meeting an overrunning the club’s foundation. It would be foolish to change this and it’s only at issue because an outside group is trying to over run the board."

You must be smarter that I because I didn't realize 1/2 of our members were from Nova Scotia. If you guys were interested in coming to town to vote and have enough supporters to get on the Board then I welcome your votes. This shows me that you guys must really care about the clubs future and by no means ruin the club. I just find it interesting that no other club in the Province has this policy. I don't think club# 1 is scared of the out of town members coming in to run the club because the distance is too great. But I bet they would welcome anyone new. It just happens to be Moncton is not that far from Caledonia and they needed to protect themselves.

“What are the new ideas and positive thinking, what don’t you like about the current SENBSA other than they’re not interested in grooming the Moncton side. They’ve manage the money, they've managed to accumulate assets (groomers, club house) and cash in bank for rainy day). You haven’t given me a reason to vote for you, put some depth behind the words as they currently mean nothing, even politicians have platforms to get people interested.”

Not grooming is one of the biggest problems. They agreed to do it and didn’t. Yes they managed the money and we have money in the bank for that rainy day. I don’t sled in the rain and would rather them buy diesel fuel and run the groomers. There is no need to have that kind of reserve in the bank. That is what the money raised at the Giant Cash Draw at the beginning of the season was always for, to help with grooming costs for that season not to pad the bank account. Would you be satisfied if your accountant said hey no worries you have some money in the bank for a rainy day and not tell you where all the other funds went? If so I’m interested in being your accountant.

NS600 the people from the Moncton side don’t want to take over SENBSA by no means. The original members built SENBSA into a great club. But maybe it’s time to go to the next level. We just feel that hey maybe there are some new things we could try as apposed to running it the same old way. Currently the Board doesn’t agree so the only way to try and make these changes is to try and get on the board. Which from what I hear is going to be hard to do as SENBSA are signing up new $20 members as we speak so the votes will be in the right place.

We just want everyone to come and vote. If the Board stays as is then so be it. The Members on the Moncton side will then know were SENBSA stands as a club and may try to start a new club or put all their trail money toward the next closest club. (St Anthony). I’m sure if all the Moncton members from SENBSA change and join St Anthony then they will be larger then SENBSA.

I have been a member since the 90’s and will continue to be a member. I might just focus my trail pass money elsewhere. Again this is my 2 cents

Thank you for your time
Ren06

Thank you Ren06 for an honest and intelligent response.

The real issue:

Moncton riders aren’t getting their trails groomed on a regular basis. It’s not about SENBSA not managing their club, it’s about a small group of people who want to make a hostile take over and put in a new president (with limited or “no” experience) and an inexperienced executive to run the club, so they can get their own way.

A groomer should be stationed on the Moncton side (but not Riverview). It should be a Moncton Club groomer, not a SENBSA groomer because of geography and lack of interest from the club. SENBSA let you down, that’s human nature, move on. The relationship with the club in the long-term will not improve. Branch out and establish a Moncton club.

My point on the 300 NS pass holders was to make a point, not that there are 300 NS pass holder, but the voting policy adds protectionism to the club and that’s “just” a good business practice and you can’t fault a person/club for that. The club has a $20 membership policy which generates the club internal money and establishes voting members. For those with short memories this policy has existed for a long time, but it was only in the past couple of years where you could direct the money to the zone instead of being distributed by NBFSC.

To address grooming to Riverview and on the Moncton side, it started late but does anyone agree SENBSA had had some problems grooming to Riverview due to washout etc, because this year the ground didn’t freeze and Moncton had a couple of bridge issues.

NS600 the people from the Moncton side don’t want to take over SENBSA by no means. The original members built SENBSA into a great club.

From what I hear people want to replace the President and the executive. That’s considered a takeover. And yes members have built a great club, but a few people have short memories. Create a hostile environment with the voting takeover proposed and those within the club which do the work will walk away.

As to the 100K in the bank, the club bylaws will make those in power in the club accountable for the funds. The members have the right to know where the money is and goes. I manage my own money, so I’m not looking for an accountant, but a financial advisor would be more useful.

I’ve been a member of SENBSA and a couple of other clubs over the many years of snowmobiling and I think de-stablizing a good club is the wrong approach. I would support a Moncton club with my trail permit however.

To Cracker, Parkindale, Round2, thank you for your well thought out response. You will make excellent executive members. Too bad you can’t take a little criticism and a challenge to the ideas on the table. I guess there always have to “followers”…………..

NS600

Dave

Thank you for your response and challenge to my questions. It showed good character in your approach which show leadership verses a defensive name call approach which others on this board use.

- as for your next topic, the new ideas and forward thinking of the club shall be the brain child of the new executive, as I proposed the club to be run by a show of hands of general membership and directors, not by the ideas that I have....

I believe the President (which you’ve offered to be) needs to have ideas and direction of their own to be effective. An organization with people with multiple agendas doesn’t run very well. Just my opinion.

- yes they have managed our money, and have done a pretty good job...yes we have an investment certificate for rainy days.....what a wonderful thing....may I remind you that investment certificate is meant for snowy days so we can spend it as we are a non for profit organization and should give back to our members in a responsible way and not go broke.....I'm sorry ...I'm not a politician...this is not a platform ..this is to entice our members to get involved to make a co-operative, positive, 2008/2009 season....

Question:
For my own understanding did SENBSA claim to not be grooming because they had “no” money?

Groomers:
My feeling is 1 in Moncton and 2 on the hill, where 1 groomer is run to Riverview and back and can easily be used elsewhere on the mountain (where the bulk of the trails are). This way it can be used (without floating) to groom when there is ‘no” snow or the weather warms up in the low lands.

Thank you for giving your experience history, it says something about your involvement and commitment and will help people to get behind you and support you.

- you say "make me vote for you"..don't vote for me, vote for the concept....get involved if you believe in it...make it happen! My heart and camp is in Caledonia Mountain...I don't even live in Moncton..but I see the need for trail 34 to be properly groomed and the need for a trail to Salibury and possibly Caanan in the near future...

I’m trying to understand the concept but I work in hard cold facts so I’m trying to sort out the real deal and those which are used pissed and whining because Trail # 34 isn’t being groomed. In order to be effective people have to have ideas (what I’m trying to hear) and not just assume the ideas are going to come from others after elected President. Look at the U.S. election, ideas are on the table, it’s a lot of BS, but the vision is there in an attempt to make a change. I’m also trying to understand what the current SENBSA executive is doing wrong (other than their lack of interest in Moncton) and why they should be overrun. I support a Moncton trail system; I just don’t feel it’s through SENBSA, but an independent Moncton Club. I also have a long-term memory and this is the first year there’s enough snow around Moncton worth grooming (although the ground hasn’t frozen anywhere, including northern N.B.). This is an unusual winter and not necessarily an indicator of next year. People whine this year about grooming and next year when there is “no” snow people’s interest in a Moncton club, trail maintenance etc will disappear. Give SENBSA credit for toughing it out during the many “no” snow years, because they still maintained the trails.

Best of luck…………

NS600

As a member of SENBSA from the start ,been a director , Groomer Operator & volinteer . I will be there to vote . The club has been on a downhill slide the pass number of years. Its time for a change to get back to the business of SNOWMOBILING !
Even the trails on the mountain were the worst I seen in years. The members should ask were the money they spent this year went before they vote !

2 groomers should stay on the mountain at the groomer garage , one in Moncton . Concertrating on the main trails GROOMED 16'-18' WIDE . with secondary trails done as needed .
If the club still has a windfall in the bank they should look at up grading the oldest tucker ( 1990 model )

tottally agree shock doc and very well said

Well time is slowly creeping away & it's only 1 week away from the great debate,I have already sent a pm to ns600 apologizing for my rude comment ,As I did not realize he was involved with our club.I thought he was just an outsider looking for a fight, I hope he understands I was totally unaware that he has been involved with our club ,but on the other hand if he would have been present most of this season to see just exactly what has been taking place I'm think he may have changed his outlook on all the negative things that have been said.(in regards to senbsa)M2C

Apologize for what?!?!?!? For coming on here guns-a-blazin', not being privy to the issues at hand, questioning the integrity of some very well-respected individuals in our club with his chest puffed out claiming to have all the answers....whatever, piss-poor and disrespectful way to introduce yourself if you ask me.

What are all of the issues at hand?

I am not trying to make light of this by any means, but the only thing that I'm aware of is the lack of promised grooming on the Moncton side.

I have been out around the mountain all season and thought the trails were always in good shape considering the type of weather we were having. Heavy snow, no frost and then a number of rain showers.

I also read in an above post that too many people at SENBSA have their hands in the cookie jar. What is this supposed to mean to me as well as other snomobilers who ride out of SENBSA?

One thing I was not aware of until accidentally dropping in on one of the meetings at the club house was the $15.00/$20.00 membership. I always thought this was included in your trail pass purchased at Service New Brunswick. I was/am not the only one. Myself as well as many others are more than willing to pay this to help support our club. Hopefully the guys will try to make more people aware of this in the future.

I want to wish your club the very best of luck with your up coming elections. Whomever wins I hope they can help grow club membership and their volunteer base. Younger volunteers is where most clubs are lacking. To the new executive good luck, it takes a lot of work and time to make a club successful.

i am glad u mentioned the younger volenteers smclelan cause all this winter i tryd to help the club and give them my time to maybe open up so old trails again and put signs up and maybe learn to run the groomer and i never got one call

mack777 I understand what you are saying. Don't be discouraged, go to the meeting election night if you can. Stand up and tell them you just want to help. Sometimes some of the older members find it hard to listen to new or different ideas. You and your friends in your age group are the future of snowmobiling, hopefully the new executive will take advantage of all willing volunteers.

oh yea all definitly be there to vote

I was younger than you when the club started , Clearing trails , building bridges , signs, pocker runs ,grooming ,& the hill climb
Get I involved to help keep the club going and in a direction you want . You may have to follow some ( old boys ) around for a while till they know & trust you .
Your a hard worker & love snowmobiling, you have my vote . get involved !

thanks shock doc

Time's up people, for everyone who was happy or unhappy with the way things have been handle this season voting is tommorw at the hunter's room.The only way to make a difference is to be there, put up or shut up. C.W.P

Wish I could be there but I have a family comitment that I have to be at. I'd be interested to know who they say won the Midnight Poker Run ( I have been told by a well respected member it was me). I was told the lady responsible for it would be at the Hill Climb & that I had won. Jim Coates simply didn't answer me & no one was forthcoming with paying when I asked about it a # of times. I knew I wasn't staying at the clubhouse all night that evening so they took my phone number & said I didn't need to be there to win (as I had top hand at midnight) so I do worry about the hand in the cookie jar. Maybe someone managed to get a better hand since the Hill Climb (but I didn't know they would be selling hands until the right person won)?

When a limited few decide before the actual meetings that they will change by-laws so that the term of their positions can be extended I feel that things need to be looked at. I know I will be contacting Kim Hoar about the poker run but would be interested to see what our current directors say about the poker run results & how they increased the length of time the President can serve before the official start time of the meeting that was held in February or March (Saturday morning meeting at the clubhouse).

Read the letter on the website (SENBSA) that shows SENBSA will NOT BE GROOMING the Moncton side next year & that either Saint Antoine or a new Mctn Club will have to do it. Thus I really don't expect to see a SENBSA groomer there next year. Heck maybe they'll stop grooming into Riverview next year due to washouts (all the ones to the Trites Rd could easily be fixed with small bridges over 2 small brooks/ditches & 1 small creek). If they did that they wouldn't have the reason not to serve the many memebers in Riverview anymore. They have already formally asked or told the NBFSC for the right to abandon all the Mctn memebers who have supported them for years & help pay for those groomers & clubhouse.

I really hope for changes & will be interested to read this page tomorrow.

Well said,Too bad you cant be here for the voting tonite.

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Any update on how things went?

We didnt get all the support we were hopeing for, but on a better note we have alot of new blood on the board for next season & hopefully things will change for next season. Jim coats /pres, Dave garland /vise pres,Danny gillcash/secretary & about 6 new members on the board of directors who are all for keeping the moncton side alive.