There's a lot of speculation and guessing going on about the missing 10 hp on the Dynotech runs. Is there anything we, as customers, should know about this? If Polaris wants to be involved in letting their customers know whats going on, this would be a good time to start.

sandbagging. sneaky........very sneaky.

I would like to know if Polaris was involved with the testing or if this sled was
taken to them by a different source and if it should have even been tested.Maybe given false info if it was just a test sled .Lot's of bashing !

First Polaris was not involved in this one-off dyno run. Second as some have already pointed out, there are several variables which go into garnering accurate dynometer data including many of those outlined in this and other threads. Perhaps one of the biggest being the selected correction factor.

To date Polaris has only worked with one aftermarket company in regards to the dyno testing of the 800 CFI-4 engine - Starting Line Products. This is not a factor of playing favorites, but instead due to our partnership with SLP in the devleopment of performance parts which are sold both through SLP and PURE Polaris. The current crop of 800IQ snowmobiles circulating amongst our dealers are intended for demo rides. They are not "special" builds or "ringers" and in fact we continue to improve and hone the performance of the 800 IQ and associated models (as we do with all our models) prior to production this summer.

In the end dyno numbers can vary an incredible amount; but Polaris is VERY confident in the performance of this engine. Polaris also stands behind our published horsepower output of 154-HP produced by the 800 CFI-4 engine. Ultimately the proof will come on the snow next winter.

Good reply Polaris and most already understand this based on common sence.

I think partnering with a reputable company like SLP is a good deal for the tuners who want reliability.

thanks, its nice to have factory input on here. i fully understand the position you are in and i am sure sometimes you would like to reach through the screen and slap the odd person. keep up the good work.

"Polaris also stands behind our published horsepower output of 154-HP produced by the 800 CFI-4 engine. Ultimately the proof will come on the snow next winter."
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Remember the FUSION?
I do, I snow checked one $$$$$$$$$$, It had some great marketing too. Still (stuck with) have it!!! I will wait for the proof (truth) "on the snow next winter"
Thank you!

I wish Polaris would take public surveys on which engines we would like them to make, including CC's and HP ratings.


Don

Thank you for the long awaited apperance. With all the whispering campainers on the internet these days, you guys are a little but not too late to the table defending your selves. If you guys publicly backed the update proccess of the Fusion line that turned out pretty nice after updates, their resale value would have been much higher resulting in more trade ins for new iron resulting in over all better sales. Please, comming from a forever loyal and Fusion owner, NEVER hide in the sand again. Most of us that kept our 900's through the update proccess ,love them.Those that were discouraged by the silent treatment we got( I e-mailed you guys 6 times with no replies) during the proccess and sold at great lose. may never come back. Personaly, I'm happy I kept it cause now it rocks. But then again, I out of memory issues,
looking forward to next years Adirondack shoot out, after seeing how well the 800 runs and after it proves it self a rock, 800 RMK 144" Shift will be in my stable.

That is very good to hear!!! Too bad they aren't standing behind their published gas mileage on my sled....

As I said earlier Polaris not aware of testing of a test sled .

Golfer; and everyone else that constantly complains about fuel milage.It all comes down to the terrain riding style altitude tempature weight and the mobility of your throttle thumb.I am 245#My 08 700ho Dragon will get 12-14 mpg time after time.Oil consumption is minimal.And we ride hard through the trails.1630 trouble free miles.I see alot of riders reving-up when they are stopped or crusing through town that burns the gas.My question to you guys Did you buy it to save gas or did you buy it to RIDE! Because you can leave it in the garage to save gas.I just want to ride.Everyone pays to have fun.
Have a good one.

now give us the P2 as advertised

I rode 175 miles this weekend along side another 600 cfi Switchback. I couldn't get past 1/2 throttle because my exhaust valve busted. I ended up getting better gas mileage because of it. I got 11 mpg I usually get 9 or 10. Riding the same trails, same speed, same group, the other identical sled as mine with the exception of a longer track, he got 15 mpg...So, it does not come down to terrain, it was the same. It does not come down to riding style, I was on the gas less than him. Altitude was the same, temperature was the same, trails were the same. We rode in the same group. The only difference was that he was able to use full throttle. If I had been able to use full throttle, we would have been 9 mpg for me, and 15 mpg for him. And again, of course you are not complaining, your sled gets good gas mileage!!! Think about it. My sled is screwed, and besides a supposed rep of Polaris on here, Polaris will not even admit my sled has a problem. If this person is really from Polaris and has any kind of clout, he would get someone to contact me and figure out a way to remedy my situation, one way or another. You would think they would want to take care of people with problem sleds that they sold their customers...But apparantly not. So, ya, I will keep complaining about my poor gas mileage until Polaris fixes it. Or at least calls and appologizes.

Thank you Polaris for posting.

LOL.....I dont care what anyone posts......I'm still getting one.
You could tell me it dynoed at 120hp and got 6mpg.
I'll still be riding that bad boy, And I'll wave at you when I ride by.

So pine at this guy and we loose the blog ?
Go read the blue in the blog.
Have you every gone to a different dealer ?

According to the polaris site they state it puts out 154h.p...

Yes, I should not have directed any negativity at the Polaris blog guy. After all, he has informed us that the 800 is not getting the advertised clutch, not getting the advertised shocks. And that is a valuable piece of information for many. I will not direct anymore comments his way. It is hard however, since he is representing Polaris, and Polaris will not represent themselves to me.

Yes, I have been to 2 dealers about 6 times. Polaris told the dealers that 7.9 mpg was perfectly fine for a 600 cfi, and within the expected range of consumption. In other words, go blow yourself golfer...We have your money, seeeeeeeyaaaaaaaaa!!!

Quit freaking whining , sick of reading your cries, "polaris call to apologize" pleeeze that statement shows your train of thought, why would they call you ? because your not getting the exact mileage that you expected, I haven't bought a new truck or car yet that gets the mileage the manufacturers claim, go buy a ill handling doo or yami and get your 2=3 miles per gallon, and go on their forum, oh yah when you buy one of them look at the price diifrence on how much more you will pay then talk mileage.
Long track will use some more fuel! "couldn't get past 1/2 throttle because of exhaust valve busted" Whaaaaaat?

WHAT!!! What shocks is it coming with???? I'll try to search around....

Sounds like you got a retarded one,check your timing.
Theres always ebay in October.

I don't know how someone could own a fusion and then buy another polaris a few years later my fusion runs really well now and i love it after hours being on here and getting clutching and mod info spent over 1200 bucks gettin this thing to run as it should bought the thing for 7600 thousand only to have the resale value go to 2000 dollars in 2 years I can't give this thing away and I can't get something else cause I am into this one for so much and can't get a proper trade in value so gonna ride the fuse for a couple years but unless polaris comes out and makes us fusion owners happy with a special trade in deal or something which will never happen they can kiss my business good bye forever along with many of my friends who used to ride polaris shit just a god damn reach around would have sufficed I am in no way bashing polaris riders cause I am one but after my fusion mess I hope your whole company goes bankrupt and falls off the face of the earth to to save us all from your engineering abortions thanks

As if I were to write it myself!!! Well said.

You sir, are a complete moron.

Excact mileage as I "expected"? Try 40% less than ADVERTISED....

Ill handling Doo? Dream on, I have one, it is fantastic.

2 or 3 miles per gallon more on a Rev? Try 9 more on the Rev sdi, or 200% better...

Yes, the long track will use more fuel. I stated that. I don't have the long track, the guy getting better mileage than me did, go back and read you idiot....

And yes, I got better gas mileage because my sled was broken. I have almost 2,000 miles, and can tell you for certain what gas mileage I usually get.

If you are sick of reading about my whining, stop reading it. I never asked for your opinion.

Have a good day.

Golfer:

I too am sick of ready your posts where you continue to about your gas mileage. You are disappointed in your sled and pissed at Polaris - we all get that. We got it the 25th time you posted it.

So - I ask you politely please refrain from continuously asking Polaris Ind the same questions over and over and over. They have made it CLEAR they will not address issues like you are experiencing.

You have every right to be pissed - however please vent your anger somewhere else.

Thanks.

Have a good day.

RR

The '08 800RMK/Dragon has been on the snow all season, and the owners aren't complaining about the power at all so the claimed 154hp is there. HCS doesn't have all the Polaris riders in the US and Canada, they are over on Snowest also, plenty of happy owners over there.
DT may be independent, but they aren't used exclusively by all the manufacturers and aftermarket producers out there. They are however always used by BMP, and seems always fudged to make them look like the tuning gods of the snowbelt.

With all due respect, I am not asking PolarisInd a question here. I was simply stating that my gas mileage stinks. Are you telling me that as a mod, since you are tired of hearing about my dissatisfaction with an issue on my Polaris sled, I am unable to voice it anymore? If so, please ask the same question of everyone in the forum as well. I am but one of several with constant complaints over various issues with Polaris. As I already stated above, I will not direct anything toward PolarisInd anymore. But I will offer my input on relevant threads, as to my experience on the relevent topic. If I am muffled for my findings, I guess this should not be an open forum for discussion of Polaris sleds. It should be clearly labeled a "Positive comments and discussion only on Polaris sleds forum". I understand to silence bashers from another brand, clearly my posts are not a bash, but a disatisfaction with a Polaris issue. I hope abuse of power is not shown here...

Wow, did you get screwed by them or something? This is the umpteenth post by you about how DT & BMP are in bed together. I have bought very little from BMP but do subscribe to DT and like the fact that BMP drives 20 hours east to back up their claims. I also like the idea that they are building stuff here at sea level. Most of the Polaris shops out west don't have a clue how to make a motor work here. Want a pipe? Buy race gas is the answer.

Your statement sound fair to me

Frankly, I agree with RR that we've heard about Golfer's problems enough already, but since this is the internet and everyone is entitled to voice their own opinion until they themselves are tired of doing so, I guess we'll just have to live with it. At least it's no worse that hearing how 700HO was right about everything (which he may very well have been, who actually kept track? but how many times did we have to hear it?) and now his evil twin separated at birth 800 Dragon knows everything but ain't saying, except that he keeps saying that he knows everything and ain't saying (yes, I realize that they are the same member).

That's life in the big city. At least it isn't dull.

The almightly moderator - can you silence 800 Dragon too? I find him more annoying with absolutely nothing to add to any conversation. He does like to use your little icon thingies though.

Now your calling names, punk MPG Advertised where clown boy????????????? sell your polaris and drive your skidork and you will sleep better, better yet pull your unknowlgeable self away from computer, get your dealer to look at it since your not smart enough to fix yourself, and if they find a problem it could be warranty. how about simply changing your fuel filter?, check timing. I'm not the only one saying this about the posts, your a drop in the bucket and don't forget it!!!!!!!!!!

I will second that motion! Never has anything constructive to say or add........ever. Just a troublemaker. His posts are like a debilitating disease on this forum.

On the Polaris website they had the mpg "average" of the fst and cfi and compared the to the sdi, yami's and the cat's. Polaris specifically stated in print, on their website, that the cfi gets an average of 15.3 mpg. They even bragged about it. But I am sure you won't believe that this was on the website for several months anyway...

Sorry mod, I was simply answering a question directed at me from another member.

I've read all of BMP's claims of hp, and have read lots of complaints of lack of customer service. There are some happy customers out there though, not as many as SLP's happy customers. I wouldn't buy BMP, period.
BTW, I'm happy with my SLP single on my Pro-X2 700, buddy is happy with his on his '07 600CFI and we ride at sea level up to 3k. We run pump gas also. And when I call SLP someone actually answers the phone, they actually reply to emails also.

I get 9-10mpg on an 08 700 switchback but that is because of my thumb problem, my wife on the same switchback gets 14mpg. Enough said. I hope bmp gets that much hp out of a simple $199 pipe mod, that saves money for everyone. Do I believe it ???? we will see I guess, I have no reason not to with DT's reputation.

Golfer:

I am just a bit disappointed at how some of the guys here have acted toward Polaris Industry participating. I know I specifically had to close and delete the "Questions to Polaris Ind" thread because of guys ranting at them in it. I also know you where one of them - ranting about your gas mileage. Even though Polaris has made it crystal clear they are not here to address that kind of stuff.

I have no problem with guys discussing problems - because they are real. Yours just seems to be getting kinda old.






I have given 700HO (800 Dragon) several "formal warnings" and even suspended him - twice I think. So he is held accountable for his actions.



Hey - no worries. I believe you and remember their claims that the 600CFI would get comparable fuel mileage to the SDI - even all the mags wrote that exact thing.

I am not saying you don't have a problem or a reason to be pissed - just that it has gotten a bit tiresome.

As I find you !
Must suck that I know more info on the 800 and 2010 sleds then most.

so basically you are saying dyno tech, an independent company that doesnt make money from you did the dyno run wrong.
and we are suppose to believe slp? pffft, how many years has slp and other pipe makers lied to us about "big" hp gains in there products?

maybe your 154 hp reading on your own dynos was not "calibrated" correctly because maybe you guys fudged the "variables"


does anyone remember when the edge 800 twin came out? the mags reported and the factories all told us how the edge 800 will be faster and quicker than an xcr with better ride. yeah right, we all know how that went. 7 years later people are making a living off of swaping out that liberty turd for a real engine.

pfft, polaris died when they didnt move the xcr 800 into the edge chassis. so the aftermarket did it for them. now whats the best edge to have? xcr 800/edge conversion.
polaris has no clue to the amount of sleds they could have sold and the king of trail and king of lake status they could have had. a lot of someones should be hanging there heads in shame for killing the polaris sled division. maybe a new ceo will have his head not in a "dark" place where he sits and do something to bring back pride in polaris. and not by simply competing on the same level as the competition, but by blowing them away. any reason why the f cats and mach z's are having fits with xcr 800's that are 3 generations old? because they worked!! you guys had a fast chassis with good trail manners, and a rock solid engine that could be tuned with stock pipes to have amazing hp and trail manners.

learn from your past success to take you into the future.

you know what the best iq is to have, 800 xcr conversion. why? because that fugi engine makes all the other 800's made today look like crap. if only you "engineers" had a fricken clue how to make a powerfull trail sled that could kick some but on the lake as well, you might just scare yourselfs of what you could have built.

Hmmm that was a real professional, insightful and constructive post... ???
I referred back the PolarisInd's post and nowhere in there did they say the numbers were wrong or call anyone a liar. They simple stated the sled was not given to Dynotech from Polaris and that they have only worked with one aftermarket company to date in regards to dyno testing the 800.

Holy dead on Batman!!!!!!!! I would still be waiving the Poo flag if that would of happened!!!!!!!

Madcow, don't you know two is better than three.............LOL

Hopefully Polaris doesn't write this dyno test off. Their new advertised 154 HP motor dynoed at an independent dyno shop at 9-10 HP less than advertised. Let's face it, that test could and probably will negatively affect sales of their new 800's until independent dyno tests can be done that show more HP. I would say for Polaris this is a big deal. Most people understand their are a number of different things that could affect dyno #'s. To simply point that out I don't think will change public perception. I think the truth is public perception is a big deal for sales. I think Polaris is much better off to address the situation than pretend it doesn't exist. If they were to look over the test sled and find something wrong and come back and get 154 HP at dynotech in a timely manner I think that would go a long ways in helping their public perception. I would hope Polaris management, marketing and engineering all had a meeting this morning and each one asked some tough questions. Had it dynoed at 160 HP yesterday would've that positively affected sales? Let's face it, the snowmobile industry is a tough market. Hopefully Polaris is proactive to what happend yesterday.

And then I clicked my heals together 3x's and I was back to my aunties farm - ah it was only a dream tito...


Hopefully Polaris doesn't write this dyno test off. Their new advertised 154 HP motor dynoed at an independent dyno shop at 9-10 HP less than advertised. Let's face it, that test could and probably will negatively affect sales of their new 800's until independent dyno tests can be done that show more HP. I would say for Polaris this is a big deal. Most people understand their are a number of different things that could affect dyno #'s. To simply point that out I don't think will change public perception. I think the truth is public perception is a big deal for sales. I think Polaris is much better off to address the situation than pretend it doesn't exist. If they were to look over the test sled and find something wrong and come back and get 154 HP at dynotech in a timely manner I think that would go a long ways in helping their public perception. I would hope Polaris management, marketing and engineering all had a meeting this morning and each one asked some tough questions. Had it dynoed at 160 HP yesterday would've that positively affected sales? Let's face it, the snowmobile industry is a tough market. Hopefully Polaris is proactive to what happend yesterday.

I would like to know who gave them the sled ?

Why does it matter. I'm assuming this sled was for potential buyers to test ride, why not dyno test it.........LOL I not only want to know how it rides, but what kind of power it makes.

Really??? i have been at dynotech waiting for Glen Hall(D&D) to get off so i could test, and i also know for fact that Rich Daily(dynoport), Rob shooping(HTG), what was Bender, Crank shop all use DTR..........so those guys must fudge there numbers too????

Would have been better if they tested several and know which ecu was the production one .

Tested sled cant be the only one around. Throw another one on the dyno & see what gives.

Read dynotech it says. Last year dynotech did a test of the preproduction Ski-Doo 800R too.

The 800 Polaris was in the RMK's this year. I don't know how much of a prototype the 08.5 motor was. Hasn't anybody else anywhere dynoed an 800RMK?

BMP, nice work on the pipe mod.

you guys are all hyped up about a pre production sled, what is the sled going to be like after they have it meet epa requirements and what not?

I will believe dyno tech a million times over before i believe one word out of slp's mouth.

if aaen dynoed the sled i would believe what they say as well. why? because when i sell an aaen pipe and they say it only adds 6 hp so you dont need to reclutch, and then you have to add 2 grams because it works. vs slp pipes i have sold and tried that say to add this and this and this, to find out it can barely pull stock clutching.