Would have been better if they tested several and know which ecu was the production one .

So if I would of test rode the one they tested, and didn't find it to be overly impressive I could have come to the conclusion I just didn't get the one with the right box?????????? Hmm, I don't think I could spend 10g's with logic like that.

I will agree that more INDEPENDENT testing needs to be done. I don't consider SLP as independant!

Perfect example so test one and there all duds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You hit the nail on the head .

I'm not saying that, I'm a little more educated than that. I will say though, that some with poo blinders on would buy it no matter what, just because it says poo on the side..........LOL There are too many good products out there not to question everything!!!

so basically you are saying dyno tech, an independent company that doesnt make money from you did the dyno run wrong.
and we are suppose to believe slp? pffft, how many years has slp and other pipe makers lied to us about "big" hp gains in there products?

maybe your 154 hp reading on your own dynos was not "calibrated" correctly because maybe you guys fudged the "variables"
does anyone remember when the edge 800 twin came out? the mags reported and the factories all told us how the edge 800 will be faster and quicker than an xcr with better ride. yeah right, we all know how that went. 7 years later people are making a living off of swaping out that liberty turd for a real engine.

pfft, polaris died when they didnt move the xcr 800 into the edge chassis. so the aftermarket did it for them. now whats the best edge to have? xcr 800/edge conversion.
polaris has no clue to the amount of sleds they could have sold and the king of trail and king of lake status they could have had. a lot of someones should be hanging there heads in shame for killing the polaris sled division. maybe a new ceo will have his head not in a "dark" place where he sits and do something to bring back pride in polaris. and not by simply competing on the same level as the competition, but by blowing them away. any reason why the f cats and mach z's are having fits with xcr 800's that are 3 generations old? because they worked!! you guys had a fast chassis with good trail manners, and a rock solid engine that could be tuned with stock pipes to have amazing hp and trail manners.

learn from your past success to take you into the future.

you know what the best iq is to have, 800 xcr conversion. why? because that fugi engine makes all the other 800's made today look like crap. if only you "engineers" had a fricken clue how to make a powerfull trail sled that could kick some but on the lake as well, you might just scare yourselfs of what you could have built.

Correct ,looked at getting the xp as a second sled damn glad I did some research .

What research are you doing on this sled? You signed on the dotted line already.......what's the motor make for hp? I'm just bustin' your balls a little, but is this motor proven?

About the XP, I wouldn't be over here if there wasn't any doubt in mind about it.

seriously let the triple die.

Your statement sound fair to me

I would like to know who gave them the sled ?

Here is a graph of the Innovate wideband readings of the 800 engine tested yesterday. Note that because of airbox leaks we couldn't get mechanical airflow readings so the usual mechanical A/F readings are not available. But wideband, though slower to react, tells what's going on tuning-wise when compared to the mechanical fuel flow readings which show highest lb/hr fuel flow at 7600, then declines as revs climb. All of this data is obtained on a 20 second dyno run at WOT so pipe is as hot as most will ever see in the field.
On this preproduction unit, we can see that mixture in the midrange is very rich causing midrange HP dip you see on the graphs of HP on my website. And note that both the SLP and BMP mod pipe appear to be flowing more air (fixed fuel flow from EFI and leaner A/F ratio = more airflow). Making more HP with more airflow is the best situation. When we get a Boondocker box on one of these (assuming final ECU calibration is like this) we can pull midrange fuel and increase midrange HP, helping spread out the top end HP curve which is very narrow on the stock pipe on this sled.

So a small part of the added HP from the non-stock pipes is leaner mixture. I'm betting that when we add enough fuel to make the top end safer with the BMP mod pipe, HP will drop to 154. That's about two HP more than a SkiDoo 800R.

Everyone should be pleased that this engine makes such good HP with a SLP pipe or a $200 pipe mod. This reminds me of the 10 HP D&D Ypipe for the F1000 that no one believed. Some of us old guys bought 52 HP Phazers in the mid eighties and added 14 HP with an Aaen quiet can pipe. What a bargain! Drove our stock Phazer pals nuts.

Now before screaming to Polaris that production pipes should be good as SLP or BMP, think about this--only a small percentage of Dragon 800 buyers are reading this post in HCS or reading my technical website, so wouldn't it be nice, for $200 to have 10 HP and 7 lb/ft more than all your Dragon 800 riding buddies? Hidden under stock heatshields and quiet as stock? Casey Mulkins who brought the Dragon 800 here from Three Seas Marine Polaris in Mayville NY, has a Dragon 800 snowchecked for himself. At first he was miffed that he needed to upgrade his pipe. But now he's very pleased, grinning like a Cheshire cat. How much better could it be than having 10 HP on your pals without them having a clue?

Right now Casey is out on Chautaugua Lake (still has a foot of ice) and the sled is ripping two-three miles at WOT 125 indicated on pump gas with the BMP pipe mod, 8200 RPM with no Boondocker (you DTR guys know how low the BSFC is there!).

seriously let the triple die.

You've asked this several times, I think that DynoTechJim has answered this question in another topic linked below.
More on our 800 dragon dyno test session

see bold in quote below from that other topic/post. I hope this helps.

How many times do we have to read it?

As many times as it takes for you to comprehend it.

As many times as it takes for you to comprehend it.

First Polaris was not involved in this one-off dyno run. Second as some have already pointed out, there are several variables which go into garnering accurate dynometer data including many of those outlined in this and other threads. Perhaps one of the biggest being the selected correction factor.

To date Polaris has only worked with one aftermarket company in regards to the dyno testing of the 800 CFI-4 engine - Starting Line Products. This is not a factor of playing favorites, but instead due to our partnership with SLP in the devleopment of performance parts which are sold both through SLP and PURE Polaris. The current crop of 800IQ snowmobiles circulating amongst our dealers are intended for demo rides. They are not "special" builds or "ringers" and in fact we continue to improve and hone the performance of the 800 IQ and associated models (as we do with all our models) prior to production this summer.

In the end dyno numbers can vary an incredible amount; but Polaris is VERY confident in the performance of this engine. Polaris also stands behind our published horsepower output of 154-HP produced by the 800 CFI-4 engine. Ultimately the proof will come on the snow next winter.

First off I'd like to thank Polaris for making a statement about the dyno test. Hopefully more will become clear about this motor and it's potential. I know my buying decision won't hinge on one dyno test.

As for some of the other posts on MY thread. If you want to tell everyone how much you hate your sled or how much you know. Please start your OWN thread and do it there. Please don't keep hijacking and ruining threads with the same old BS. Maybe we could get this thread closed because I don't think anyone has anything to add that hasn't already been said.

As I said earlier Polaris not aware of testing of a test sled .

As I find you !
Must suck that I know more info on the 800 and 2010 sleds then most.

I rode 175 miles this weekend along side another 600 cfi Switchback. I couldn't get past 1/2 throttle because my exhaust valve busted. I ended up getting better gas mileage because of it. I got 11 mpg I usually get 9 or 10. Riding the same trails, same speed, same group, the other identical sled as mine with the exception of a longer track, he got 15 mpg...So, it does not come down to terrain, it was the same. It does not come down to riding style, I was on the gas less than him. Altitude was the same, temperature was the same, trails were the same. We rode in the same group. The only difference was that he was able to use full throttle. If I had been able to use full throttle, we would have been 9 mpg for me, and 15 mpg for him. And again, of course you are not complaining, your sled gets good gas mileage!!! Think about it. My sled is screwed, and besides a supposed rep of Polaris on here, Polaris will not even admit my sled has a problem. If this person is really from Polaris and has any kind of clout, he would get someone to contact me and figure out a way to remedy my situation, one way or another. You would think they would want to take care of people with problem sleds that they sold their customers...But apparantly not. So, ya, I will keep complaining about my poor gas mileage until Polaris fixes it. Or at least calls and appologizes.

another good post by sled werx that will get taken apart and out of context because he does have polaris in is profile. just like i got hammered in the cat section by cat idiots for picking on the f cat because i use to have the word polaris in my profile. NO MORE polaris in my profile. all custom from now on. may look like a polaris, but it will have a triple for sure because they work! and the rest will be aftermarket as well. poop isnt getting another dollar from me until they clean up there presale hype and track record.
maybe the same old bs is brought up over and over becuase the factorys keep giving us the same old bs about how great there sleds are, then by the time they reach production they have been detuned and reworked so many times they are basically the same old bs just different plastic.

if YOU dont like where YOUR topic is going than dont read it. does it really bother you so bad to have people questioning the factory about a sled that is getting crazy hype? especially from people in the past that used to be as brand blind as you but have learned there lessons the hard way and are now sick of it.

go cry to a moderator not in the posts.

Polaris sends all the sleds out the same to the dealers. Bitch to your dealer not polaris. Sounds like your dealer can't set up a sled! I have 600CFI Switchback 07 I get 15-17 all day long. Love the gas mileage. I also ride with a 121" 600 CFI 07 and he gets 14-16 all day long.

Please explain what is involved in the set-up of a new sled at the dealer that is explains how your sled is getting 17 mpg "all day long"

Looks like you're the cry baby! Start your own thread on how Polaris fucked you over. If you don't like any of the new iron then get out of sledding dickhead.

go cry to a moderator not in the posts.

Why don't you just sell your sled and move on like many others that have been screwed over by poo.

Polaris sends all the sleds out the same to the dealers. Bitch to your dealer not polaris. Sounds like your dealer can't set up a sled! I have 600CFI Switchback 07 I get 15-17 all day long. Love the gas mileage. I also ride with a 121" 600 CFI 07 and he gets 14-16 all day long.

Good for you!!! That is why you aren't complaining huh Einstein?

I have been to 2 dealers 6 times. I have had countless calls with Polaris. Countless calls with the dealers. The dealers have had countless calls with Polaris. Polaris will not acknowledge a problem. Do you think if I were getting 17 mpg I would be on here bitching about my mileage? Man!!!! Think!!!!!
Sorry mod, yet again just responding to another member.

With all due respect - We'll most likely bring this sled in for testing next fall however after being away from Polaris for over 15yrs and witnessing false claims for years from a distance we must be honest in saying we're disappointed that you advertised the P2 which will not be on this particular sled. When Canadian's are expected to pay $2000 or more for the same sled ( as you void all warranty of any US sleds coming into Canada ) your 'advertised' 154 HP and 476lb weight we would hope to be as advertised or this seemingly positive step forward for Polaris may be a giant step backwards.

just my 2cents - and thanks for posting, look forward to next winter

Why is everyone so worried about P2 clutch? we have no clue if it is any better than Team or button, also if polaris brought it out and it didn't work right then the FLOOD of whinning would be unbelievable, it makes me laugh there is no way to make people happy, they hold it back on the big cc's to do some RD and guys are whining about something they no absolutley nothing about, no one does right now., Then the next cry would be if the sled doesn't perform just right for the cyber racers then they will blame new clutch, then the helix's might be to much money on & on & on.

In part I agree, Polaris has definitely painted themselves into a corner on this one by hyping the P2, then announcing here that it's being pulled, but still leaving it on their website, and now fueling rumours at the sneak peek shows. At this point they can't win, no matter what they do now, it's too late to fix this to everyone's satisfaction. All of this was avoidable, they've brought it onto themselves so I have very little sympathy for Polaris on this one.

Even if it does come on the 800, since it's brand new, they likely won't have much of a selection of helixes and springs available for it and that itself will cause even more frustration. And I wouldn't count on those parts being any cheaper than they were for either of the Team Secondaries.

now give us the P2 as advertised

No one is being unrealistic, just give people what you advertised, otherwise it opens up a can of worms

the HP everyone can accept being up and down per sled but at an 'advertised' rating of 154HP , 145HP is in my personal opinion (and as a new snow check purchaser ) is unacceptable - 5HP up or down yes but not 10HP

really appreciate you being on the forums to provide information, can you tell us how accurate your 'advertised' weight is of 476lbs. Between the SP and the IQ ( rated at 493lbs ) somethings not quite adding up for some, perhaps you could explain where the weight savings comes from

would be much appreciated and feel free to call anytime, there's some marketing/advertising information we'd like to share with you 613 925 4015

again - thanks

I'm just gonna throw this out there...I was at the sneak preview in Barrie Ontario last night and the 800 Dragon on display had the P2 on it also every dealer rep and manufacturers rep they had there agreed the P2 would be on the sled the lightweight rear suspension was not on this prototype however...the tank was half full of gas so I am sure this one was a runner...I am not trying to create any waves here but how has this person positing under the name "polaris industries" proven his credentials?? What is to say that he is not just another person posting under that name to have a little fun with us poo riders like a few others whom have been on here recently?? While I would definately appreciate manufacturers posting on forums like this I find it hard to believe that they would on a regular basis..I know that they monitor the sites to look for potential problems/solutions to problems and also to get a general feel for customer satisfaction but I am real skeptical here...If I am wrong I apoligize but from what little and vague information this person "polaris industries" has posted we may be getting hosed here...

so call me silly but the Dragon IQ 800 will not have the P2 on it?

I'm just gonna throw this out there...I was at the sneak preview in Barrie Ontario last night and the 800 Dragon on display had the P2 on it also every dealer rep and manufacturers rep they had there agreed the P2 would be on the sled the lightweight rear suspension was not on this prototype however...the tank was half full of gas so I am sure this one was a runner...I am not trying to create any waves here but how has this person positing under the name "polaris industries" proven his credentials?? What is to say that he is not just another person posting under that name to have a little fun with us poo riders like a few others whom have been on here recently?? While I would definately appreciate manufacturers posting on forums like this I find it hard to believe that they would on a regular basis..I know that they monitor the sites to look for potential problems/solutions to problems and also to get a general feel for customer satisfaction but I am real skeptical here...If I am wrong I apoligize but from what little and vague information this person "polaris industries" has posted we may be getting hosed here...

I'm just gonna throw this out there...I was at the sneak preview in Barrie Ontario last night and the 800 Dragon on display had the P2 on it also every dealer rep and manufacturers rep they had there agreed the P2 would be on the sled the lightweight rear suspension was not on this prototype however...the tank was half full of gas so I am sure this one was a runner...I am not trying to create any waves here but how has this person positing under the name "polaris industries" proven his credentials?? What is to say that he is not just another person posting under that name to have a little fun with us poo riders like a few others whom have been on here recently?? While I would definately appreciate manufacturers posting on forums like this I find it hard to believe that they would on a regular basis..I know that they monitor the sites to look for potential problems/solutions to problems and also to get a general feel for customer satisfaction but I am real skeptical here...If I am wrong I apoligize but from what little and vague information this person "polaris industries" has posted we may be getting hosed here...