Has anyone put xcr 800 in an iq? I saw the 1200/s but haven't seen any 800/s. Thanks Joe.

there were a couple running around when i was looking to build a sled. i thought the 800XCR route would be pretty sweet, but decided to build the 1200 instead. the 800 would be a little cheaper, but pipes are harder to find. for basically the same weight and conversion effort, why not build a 1200?? the performance is way more on the 1200, it's real fun!!

I have an xcr motor and thought it would be less expense. Does crank shop make pipes for xcr to iq? Thanks Joe.

Talk to larry rugland he puts them in

Yes, my friends at Fettig Racing have one. 200 + hp. It'll be at Schuss Mt this weekend.

Hey Brian, throw any hard miles on it yet? We just went out Tuesday night and put a quick 50 miles on. It was all wash board and the stock valving is brutal in that. I raced it last night in a hill climb and basically layed on the cowl all the up the hill to keep it from blowing over. 3/4 up the hill gripping it the whole way I remeber thinking "this is crazy ". Takes a bit getting use to being that high off the snow, feels like a blow over is inevitable. I think the revalve will tame it a little and let me hang it on the bumper a little more without it being straight up and down. It got almost 7mpg on the trail with very little carb calibration after changing needles. With the extra 4 gallons on the back, that's almost a 100 mile range. It's run 1000ft ice, trail, and hill and I'm yet to pop a belt. It's faster than I had hoped, and that's coming off a ported/piped triple edge. If there is such a thing as excess, I'm quessing this would be it. I love it.
Jim

Jim,
i have to agree the excess is crazy, but GOOD!! i don't have to many miles on mine yet, still waiting for the com cable to change the layout of my Digitron set-up so i can monitor all three EGTs at the same time. just got my spindles and some 6-2 and 8-2 needles from Brad. so i should be all set in the tuning department. drop Tom (AkIQPilot) a line about the shock valving, he re-worked mine and they are perfect. i can hit any washboard or g-out bump section and not even think about it. i'm heading to Valdez tuesday for a six day ride-a-thon. they just got hit with another 3 feet of fresh powder. i'll take lots of pics for posting, should be a good time. oh ya, the Carlisle XS 811 is still holding up.

I'm running 6-3's and it's still lean in the middle with the ultra cdi. Tom gave me the spec's on the shocks so I could have them done on this side of the globe.
I have a roller in the shop now that Guilla did and it's amzing the difference from stock.

Can someone post LRM's phone number? I am considering building a XCQ-R I am about to dump it though and build a Dragon with some bigger Slugs. I have a donor and brads plate would be in order just having the same problem finding pipes or people to do them close. Here is my best find to date...Crank Shop blanks and Pro-5 fitting. Pro-5 is about 12 hours from me so this isn't a good way to go yet. Any body know of any pipes that can be made to fit like XCR Gen2 pipes

Crank Shop will build your pipes with only your motor plate.

those fettig boys are fast!!!

Crank shops or XCR pipes not 1200 ????

My bro MBR46 took king of the hill sat and sun in his IQ1200 this weekend at tree tops hill-x. He beat fettig's sled all 3 times they lined up. He won by 2 sled lengths. I know what I will be dropping in my racer this year. Anyone want to buy a ubr900 with everything to drop it into a racer?lol

You are definately one sick bastard!!!!

LOL, Kerry it is not a sickness it is an addiction, they have medicine for sickness.

I am working with LRM to build XCR 800 pipes for this application. Any one who is interested in having pipes built please PM me. Initial cost estimate is $1500 per set. I will have my sled at LRM for the pipe fitting in about 2 weeks.

Bulkhead modification will be needed to retain the OE waterpump.

I like that. I'll try and use that one on my wife. If it don't work, anyone got a couch for rent?

Do the engine plates from Brads come with motor mount holes and engine block holes drilled?

You can get plates with motor mount holes only or plates with the engine block and mm holes predrilled. Personally I liked the mm only holes, I could then put the motor exactly where i wanted it then just punch it and drill.

I to would like to no more about the installation of these XCR triple's into a IQr chassis. Espacially when school will be over soon and i have a year off to go work full time. Im Personally thinking of doing a 1000xcr build in a IQr in the futur. Would anybody have a ruff estimate of how much it cost to do a conversion like this? Also a list of parts needed would be awsome. thx in advance James.

Pipes -$1500 est
Bulkhead modification to retain OE waterpump-$250 est
Air box- $250 est
Engine plate-$200-250
custom wiring harness- lots of my time
oil injection tank- ?
Steering- need to mod the steering post

I figure I will have about $2500 wrapped up into swapping the XCR engine into the IQR, granted I had the engine, wire harness and am within driving distance of a very good pipe maker.

to bad polaris could have figure this out before they dropped fugi for there own crap. these triple IQ flat out smoke compared to other new sleds.

I must say that the triples do run better in the racer chassis than a bb twin. Must be something with the short c-c of the clutches. Motor plates are only $160. My bro got a quote from larry for about $3500 to install into an IQR if you provide the motor and chassis then he works his magic with it. I would call him to confirm prices.

Already talked to Larry 4 times, sled gets dropped off in 2 weeks. $3500 is the cost if he lowers the a-arms 4 inches and reworks all the body plastic to fit. Only advantage to doing it this way is the pipes do not run over the engine and you could use a Stock headlight. Larry did it this way as he was having problems with the steering post clearing the pipes. He used a curved 800 post to clear the VES valves, problem was it took the space the pipes needed to occupy when you turned the bars. I have a different style steering post that addresses the issue and makes moving the body plastic, arms, steering post a non issue. Pipes are already made, Larry is going to adapt the pipes he made for the Ultra for the XCR 800, volume is very close, says the biggest change will be the stinger diameter head pipe diameters were the same between the XCR and Ultra, RPM range of 8300-8700. The RPM range also will work with stock CDI boxes. This keeps the price lower as he is not building 2 sets of pipes. (1 for the dyno, 1 for the sled).

Last time I bought a plate from Brad, I thought it was $250, glad to see the prices dropped.

Can't wait to get this rolling, only trick now is where to put the oil injection tank?

Have your brother take a pic of my two oil tank setups next week when he pics up your seat. either that or check out Sr Erik's tank that he runs down in the foot well behind the stingers.

I have very little room near the stingers.

here a few pics of the XCR engine mounted in the bulkhead. Note the issue with steering hoop, and the solution.

Why is the engine so far forward? Are you running the 1088 belt?

No, going to run the 114 belt, CTC is 10.625"

I guess I don't understand when you say so far forward? The rear of the sled is jacked up quite a bit when I took the pictures.

Yeah, i don't understand how you're getting 10.625". Maybe your mill is just leaning way forward. See how much closer my carb boots are to the jackshaft. Also compare in my first photo (you'll have to open it) where the back of the base is in relation to where the bulkhead slopes down. See how much more of that you see on yours.
Also, seev how straight (stock) my steering post is and the front "A" support over the engine is untouched. The watercraft mill is even a bit longer, taller, and wider than the xcr.

Here are some more pics of the engine. I lowered the rear of the sled down and tried to get a more straight on shot. Measured CTC again, 10 5/8" is where is at. It is getting a little tight on the front side of the engine, and I see what you are saying, steering might not be as big a deal if I shorten the CTC and move the engine back bit. The only concern I have with doing it this way is that I am also trying to fit an air box in here.

The airbox would be nice for nitrous or turbo, but tuning would be a bitch. And let's face it, we like to tune. I can have the carbs off in a couple minutes versus an hour on my mifes Fusion 600ho, 55 minutes of which is trying to get the box back on. I'm still not sure why your so high and forward with that CtoC. Are you using engine straps or a plate? I was about a 1/16" off dead nuts with no torque offset using Brads 6 mount torque plate. I didn't shim the engine either, keeping it as low as possible for pipe clearance. The float bowls are less than 1/2" away from the jackshaft.

I am using a motor mount plate, I have some 3/8" spacers under the engine right now to give clearance on my oil injection pump. After further thought on this, I may be forced to use the 440 engine straps and shorten the CTC to give clearance for the waterpump. The waterpump is 4 1/2" wide, if the engine stays in its current spot, that puts the waterpump on the steering rack by 1/4".

Air box is mandatory for me, I ride deep powder most of the time and have fought pod filters on a previous project. With outer wear filters, they stop water and snow, but pass steam right on through. Any one care to guess what happens when you put powder onto pipes? Steam happens, and then S**T happens when my throttle freezes. So even if it is a pain it is mandatory for me.

Fuel lines for Nitrous are the yellow lines that go into the carb boots.

how do these things run with the big tripples in the 440 chassi? how are they for handeling and jumping/ ditch riding im looking into making one in the next couple of years im in the process of sorting out parts. i have a motor in view and will be looking for a roller early next spring or i might put it in my 06. who made the pipes on your sled (1sleeper)

How do they run? Mine runs like you can't believe. 350 Chevy power without the four doors.
How's it handle? Nicest riding "race sled" ever.
Jumping? I have no idea, I'm old now. I can't see it being as good as a 440/600/800 twin. Small guys would definitely notice the weight.
Ditch riding? Again, it might feel heavy in comparison. Compared to a triple/edge, this is amazing.
It will go through as much powder as you could throw at it.
If you want to jump and ditch bang, you'd be better off with the big block twin, unless you're jumping the Grand Canyon. Then go for the nitrous too.
I wanted my cake and eat it too. I wanted to be able to ride down to the lake, be competitive, and trail ride home. This is my 125 mile a day sled. Is it going to be the fastest sled on the lake? No, it's not. Is it the best riding, bump capable, fastest sled in trail trim. No doubt.
Everyone who rides it says the same thing. Once it hooks (about 400 ft. out) it's the fastest machine they've been on. Most people say it's like something is prying your fingers off the bars. Bottom line is, it's not the most practical sled. I wish I had a twin too.
Crankshop made the pipes.
Jim

I would have to agree with jim. When I am on mine it is light weight, easy to throw around and corners like a dream. When I am on my bro's 12 you definately need to be pointing in the direction where you want to go cause you are getting there in a hurry w/o the skis on the ground. With mine it is the same but much easier to get to that direction. If you are going to beat the shit out of it with jumps and bumps, may want to stick to a twin. If you want to show up to tree tops and win king of the hill by a wide margin, then put in a 12, as bob did.

yah im just a 800xcr lover my dad has one in stock chassi with a 136 2 inch paddle it runs smooth im using it for rough trail fun ditches and just a all around fun sled ill build what i can get my hands on lol nice sleds tho guys i know how much work goes into these things and i hope it was worth every cent.


RYAN

I see you might come over to the dark side too. Bob's sled must be running really good (evidenced by the recent wins). Congrats you guys, that's what it's all about. Seems like a long road at the time, but glad to see it was worth it. What was the problem with the mag housing? I always check mine. Any idea where he ended up on needles? My 6-3's are still too fat bottom and top because I need more fuel in the mid raising the needle more than it needs to be. That ultra cdi is HOT in the midrange. Maybe a 5-4 if Lectron could make one. Good news is I can go 60 miles on a tank mostly blubbering like a pig until it hits 50mph.
Jim

I am looking to go that direction or I found a very interesting concept at the schuss races today. I may head in another direction with a 1000 efi for half the price and end up with 216hp, keeping my weight to hp ratio. I know I won't beat bob in a long run with it, but with a 30 shot of n20 things should be interesting. I like how I can throw mine around much easier than bobs and I can get way better mpg than he can too. Bob ended up with 9-1 needles in the 44s, he was a bit rich in the top but the powerjets calmed that down a bit. I think he is leaning towards a set of bored 42mm rack mikunis cause he can't go half as far as the rest of us on a ride. I am then going to sell him my 48 lectrons and he can pick up one more for the end of the year stuff. He torqued that bad boy right out of the chassis, ripping 5 90 duro mounts and oblonging his ultra mount. He was then mashing the mag housing on the bulkhead and snapped a couple bolts. Brad had him back together in a week for tree tops. He added some nice torque arms on the pto and mag head from a guy in martin. That scares me a bit being on the head but the pto braces onto the rear and mag to the front so the work against eachother. I think he will be fine now. I wish he would have raced at schuss today, he would have done well. The outlaw class was fun to watch, all you could smell was race fuel and n20 with the turbos.

couple little questions, how does the cdi work with the iq harness? plug in and go or make your own harness?

can you have stock head lights if you bring the pipes over the engine?

dont have ves so that should help with some clearance on the steering?

can you or do you have to add extra cooling like on the running boards or in the tunnel?

how do you get ahold of brad schmidt to get parts?

dont have oil injection, so that is a simple solution, air box i am not set on so that makes that easy. need room for a 2lb nitrous bottle though!!

I think most everyone is using Brad Wursten/1200PSI AKA Power Addictions motor plate.

Not sure on the headlights, talked to a couple different guys who have installed the XCR engine both were able to retain the stock headlights, but not the intake plenum.

Wire harness on mine works out ok, I think I may make a custom one for the XCR.

Brads mobile # is 435 881-6665
Jim

Cdi should plug in, most don't use the headlight but mount accessory lights depends on the pipe builder if they can get around the stock light, you should be fine with stock cooling and you should be able to find room for a bottle. Good luck

ok, the cdi plugs right in, but since i am going to have nos (if i can even get a chassis) I am going to use a solenoid and when i hit the button it grounds the pink wire to retard the timing.

I found brad from utah yesterday afternoon, he has the motor plate, cooling issues and any other little thing i might need. gotta toss a big thanks to him!
since i am not running an air box or oil injection the swap should be a real dream he said!!!

the head lights will be the fog lights I had on my dork sled, I will just find a better looking spot for them.
I have some pipe blanks for the engine so the pipes i only have 600 into not the 1500, in the future i wouldnt mind swaping out a pair of crank shops that brad likes to compare. but first i just need to get this thing built.
thanks guys.

What engine you running? I thought you were talking about an xcr.

its a 1029 price engine based off the 800 xcr engine.
the first pic is the new piston on the right and the old 600 xcr sp piston on the left. and then the head blanks, after everything else on the engine is done i can do some measuring and shape the heads.
the next pic is the blank pipe. its about 2 inches in diameter bigger than the 800 xcr pipe next to it.

Yup, that's a big pipe. I'm using the crankshops but that's with (3) xc800 pistons. I would personally use Dynoport blanks on an xcr. HTG makes mad power with them on 1000,1100, and 1200 xcr's.
Good luck with the project.

thanks, I am finding out that pipe blanks are like dodge or chevy. I have like prices engines for years and have been researching the engine itself for about 4 years before i decided to go with him over htg/crank shop. but i never looked into blanks, and for every 5 people that build pipes you get 6 different storys on which blank to use.lol if this motor runs like every one that has a price motor talks about, I have 2 more cases on the floor to make more sleds with!!!

I had Doug Ruth (Price protege') port my cylinders. Unbelievable work.

you'll laugh like everyone else does, but i am doing my own machining, porting and pipe fitting.

I want to learn a lot more about this stuff and i think the best way is to build the engine from raw parts.
what is real funny to me is there are a lot of "big guns" around me holding lots of speed records. they have nice web pages willing to port your engine, but they dont port there own race engine, they dont build pipes, they dont do anything other than write a check out and maybe pass on some computer models to the engine maker to try.