Did you hear the news today!!!!! YES.....it is a done deal......

MPI will add the cost of a SnoPass to the basic MPI coverage. They didn't state exactly what the increase will be but they have indicated that it will be approximately 100 - 150.00 per year. This was brought to the table a couple years back by SnoMan and a snowmobile riders cunsultative group comprised of riders from all over the province with a majority of the members being from the northern district area. The northern riders wanted this added to help subsidize the riding in the southern areas of Manitoba. The northern snowmobile riders were quoted to say "We enjoy the sport of snowmobiling and because we make tons of cash working in the north, we feel that adding the SnoMan fee to the MPI coverage will benefit everyone" Kudo's to the northern riders....I was always under the assumption that the northern riders were against this due to the fact that they do not have SnoFunded trails in the northern region.

MPI also stated that they are bringing back the big silver stickers that were placed on the hood instead of those ugly licence plates. Remember these???? MPI sated that they should be in place for next riding season..... This time they will be offered in two colors, flourescent silver or gold color with black letters and the "SPIRITED ENERGY" Logo in bright flourescent green. The reason for this step they stated was for safety purposes and to be able to quickly ascertain if the machine is properly registered. Anyone with a 1980 Moto-ski Nuvick will not be required to change the sticker unless they would like a gold color registration plate (Sticker). Start thinking about it now......They feel the gold color plates will sell out quick as they are the new thing!!!



Now for the best part........Just kiddin....wanted to see what king of discussion would be generated.

Had me going until the Northerners part.

LOL....

YOU SOB!!! LOL I was all gung ho until I got to the sticker part! Oh well.....don't you worry, it'll happen here someday!!

I wonder, if they do go through with it, how many unregistered sleds will there be out there?

lol,,you had me going there,,read the decals part and i thought,,"those bastards!!!"
That pot you're stiring has alot of ingredients in it. lol

LOL..... Crazy stickers....But let me thell you...I know first hand that they were thinking about the stickers again!!! Not as ugly as the others ... but still stickers..

It would be nicer if they gave you a registration # like they do in the states. Then you can get your number made up to match your sled! Looks good if it's done right!

Thats what I had suggested when I was on the Provincial Snowmobile safety working group. Like talking to the wall. Nothing changed.

That could very possibly be the gayest thing to happen ever. What about us guys who dont even waste our time riding groomed trails, and prefer off trail riding, ditchs, fields, rivers, powerlines. Personally trails bore me to death anyone can hold the throttle down and puttt along. if theirs deep powder, or steep hills thats where ill be. Why force everyone to pay for somthing not everyone even uses once all season??? Even when i ride down south i dont touch the groomed trails amoung alot of my friends. As if im going to pay for somthing that bores me to death, that i dont even use. Pffft its just like the PSW program MB hydro has, forcing people to be somthing they dont want. Good luck with that......

Why does everything have to be "me, me , me", rather then a system that could benefit the whole provnce with added income due to a better and extended trail system. I would be more then happy to pay a little extra at reg. time if I knew that the clubs wouldn't strugle for money anymore!

I call bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!! Just a cheap skate!!! IMO

Exactly....... Arctic gatyeight won't pay.... but he probably isn't registered and uses the trails and runs over defensive little animals on the trails. He is THE MAN!! He's myu HERO!

From another post of mine:

No, the best logical example I can come up with is this. Go buy a Parks permit for Riding Mountain National Park. You own a car or truck, right? Well, there's a road that runs through the park, Hwy 10. You have access to it, so you should be required to buy a year park pass. You don't want to?? You're freeloading the entire National Parks system then. Lets say the Government says that they should tack on the $150 (or whatever it is) pass onto registration of your vehicle. Would you happily pay it to support the parks system in general? If you don't, they might shut down the entire parks system, then where would we be?

For highway traffic through the park, say from Minnedosa to Dauphin, there are exemptions for direct travel through the park. Should that end as well? Should people pay for the day pass (or hell, the year pass) just to take the shortest route to where they need to go? If they don't want to, they could always travel an hour out of their way around Neepawa or Russell to get around it, maybe they should do that?

That's the example you guys should be using. If you can all say that you would be fine with another $150-200 on your license to support the national parks system, which you may never use, then I guess you're just a better citizen than the rest of us. After all, your car or truck cost a hell of alot more than your snowmobile, plus you have to buy gas and oil, tires, tow ropes, all kinds of accessories. Hell driving is expensive, what's another $200, you cheap freeloading bast*rd. Just pay it and stop complaining.


Tell me that you would happily pay more for you vehicle registration without a word of a complaint and we'll all shut up. Don't just think about yourself, some people like to use the national parks on a regular basis, you'd be supporting their enjoyment, and the province as a whole.

And don't even get me started about the PSW program....

Well look at it this way, if you help support the trails then it keeps a large number of machines out of your chosen riding areas. You wouldn't be happy if everyone else packed down and carved up your powder...

Good post by the way yamadoo, ya had me goin'.

Gotta agree with you on that one. How much does your sled cost, riding gear, oil, gas, stops for food? If I pay for a trail pass there goes my riding budget, give me a break. Everybody sees thru that lame excuse of a reply. Finally the free ride is over. And long overdue. One question. If we are paying $85.00 on or before Dec. 1 and $115.00 after and not all of the sleds are registered and more sleds will be registered the cost should come down, right? There is a large percentage of sleds without passes on them. Is this our MPI's way of raping us for more money? You know the old administration fees B.S.? Just my 2 cents.

i dont call BS on that guys post. i to will never ever buy a trail pass. i also hate anything groomed unless its a groomed sno-x track. to most people my age (and especialy to most freeriders) a groomed trail is the most boring thing ever. i'll stay off to the side and hit some drifts thank you very much. i do register my sled every year and get full coverage unsurance but if for some reason they do really decide to do this trail pass with registration thing, i will not register my sled. my insurance jumped $250 last fall for something i did that wasnt even snowmobile related. its getting pretty expensive as it is.
now dont go bashing me cuz i cant stand groomed trails. i definatly think they should still be around and used and paid for. but the point im making is that the trails should be paid for by the people who are using them. i dont use them, i should not pay for it. you use it, you should pay for it.

i knew i wasnt going to be the only one who thought this was a horrible idea. And yamadoo i am registered as i own a 13,000$ sled you moron, and your right! i do MOW over every little innocent bunny, deer, and chipmunk i see you ignorant piece of shit. "Arctic gatyeight" wow im just turning 21 and im far more mature than you i seems. Why dont you go burn down your lovely trails at 30mph, and the rest of us who know how to ride will stick to our off trail CHALLENGING riding. im 100% with flatoutfilms, if MPI forces us to buy a pass that ill/well never use i just wont be registering my sled, simple as that.

I drive 25 mph thank you very much!!!

wouldnt doubt it

Well I was going to make an arguement like this but you explained it near perfect FOF. I ride trails 75-90% of the time depending on the season and who I'm riding with, so I buy a pass. But I know numerous people that either never use groomed trails, or if they do, it's only to get to a sandpit or powder-covered feild, and maybe put on 10 trail miles each winter tops. I would be all for the integration of snopass into registration but I know there are people who would be paying for nothing so that's why I'm against it.

i tell my friends every fall, get a pass or im not ridin with you. i have alot of miles on the trails over my lifetime. i just think there could be a better way of doin it. its too bad not everyone was honest i guess

i agree that his comments about you were very uncalled for but arguing over the internet will not get you anywhere. although i tend to get into online arguments a lot to lol.


thanks ryan. see heres a perfect case. ryan is a full time trail rider and a part time freerider. so he fits the desription of somebody who should and will buy a trail pass.


ya well ive traveled all around the world and found that mostly stupid people are breeding. theres not as many honest people out there. personaly i dont buy trail passes so i stay off them. ive ridden mabey 5km's of trails in my whole life and thats just to get somewhere to play or i ride them once all the snow is melted and the formerly groomed ditch is now ideal for water skipping.

I agree with everything that you say, BUT there are people out there who think that it is their God given right to ride for free on a groomed trail.

Sorry Arctic.....my comments were out of line and I apologize.

There's got to be a better way! For the northerners it makes NO sense, and I'm sure lots of people in Ben's position will share his attitude...if they don't use the trails, there's no sense trying to ram fees down their throats and have them NOT register the sled at all.

I use the trails rarely, and purely as access to play spots, but I still get a pass and will continue to do so. But this isn't a "one size fits all" problem. I think low-1's analogy to the parks is a pretty darn good one!

If you truly do not want the government involved in trail passes I would suggest writing a letter to both Snoman, and the Minister involved. When they receive actual feedback from people involved in the sport it carries much more weight than a few threads on a forum.

I had written to both a couple years ago when they were proposing a reintroduction of the hood stickers. It was something I was very opposed to. I'm not saying that letters to these people will prevent changes that are detrimental to snowmobiling, but it does give them a better feeling of what the participants are really feeling. If they get no feedback they will do whatever they think is best. Usually best for them.

OK everyone pick up your pencils you have one hour to complete the assignment.

i also apologize, i get excited fairly easily it seems.

and those assholes deserve to be told that they shouldnt do that. so mabey what we should do is stop them on the trails and let them know this information any way you feel is necissary. use your imagination lol.



now dont you boys feel better about yourselves? lol

Now that everyone on here has kissed and made up!!!

I have a question for the NON TRAIL USERS......

If you don't use the trails, where are you guys snowmobiling?

The clubs with snoman have permission to cross the property they are using, do you? What give you the god given right to drive across private property where you feel fit?

Just wondering! Not looking for a smart ass answer either.

puss

Youre not looking for a smart ass answer but you give a smart ass question.



In any case,, I ride very occasionally on trails,,which def were not groomed this year more than once,,but thats ok.
Mostly ride crown land,lake manitoba,,or ditches,,and yep,,sometimes private property.

Look up Gillam on a map and tell me how much private property you see surrounding the area. It is about 300 km to the nearest center, which is Thompson, and that in only one direction. Aside from that we are surrounded by crown land by a radius of about 800 km (to the south, limitless to the north). Land use isn't a problem, neither is snow. As I has said over and over again, all of your arguments hold true for the south, but check your info when it comes to the north.

I cannot believe how much of a bunch of fukin tight asses you clowns are. For the $40-50 charge it would be you guys sound like it will make or brake you. I call bullshit on you guys who say you NEVER ride groomed trails. Robm even buys a pass and i know he will only ride the trail maybe 2% of the time or less. I can also say that the guys threating not to insure there sleds now if they add the snopass to the insurance are kids living with mommy and daddy probroly buying your shit and living at home aswell. What about property tax we all have to pay, do you ever see how much goes to the schools?? A large portion does for you kids who dont now, and then what about people who dont have kids they shouldnt pay school tax then right???? This argument could go on and on with valid points on both sides, but majority rules add it for fuk sakes!!!!!!!!!

I do not think I asked a smart ass question, at least it was intended to be. I just wanted to know where you ride?
vinceostapowich, I agree with most people on here and think you are also a cheap-skate. Go head call me down now.

As for low-1, ya I have been to Thompson many times, so I know a little of what it is like there, north is different, I see your point. This was intended for the Southern folk.

I live in Swan River area surrounded by farm land. All private property. If you want to ride on it, you should ask. Nobody does, I don't, and I don't care you drives on mine. But there are people who do!
Fields here get drifted pretty good at times. At times hard to drive 30 mph. And hold it there for an hour without get sore. Pretty soon you come along or cross a trail. DO NOT tell me you don't get on it and open it up. LIAR!!!! Don't know of too many 16 -20 years around here that ditch bang 100% of the time. They drive on all the trails with the machines DADDY paid for and most have trail passes on them that DADDY paid for also. puss

There are some good arguements on this site. I like the E.I and the school tax arguements. EVERYONE that pays property taxes also pays for the school and everyone that works must pay E.I. premiums. Next year when my youngest is out of school I will no longer be required to pay school taxes since I have no one in my immediate family going to school!!! YES, that will free up a few grand. E.I.,.......Well thats just a donation as I will never get to use it in my life before I retire.

As a matter of fact I am going to cancel my life insurance policy....after all...I will never benefit from it so whats the use?!?!? I'm keeping the wifes though!!! LOL

lol,,why would i call you down?
My vocabulary doesnt run so thin that i need to name call.
I'm not sure why you'd call me a cheapskate,,I already buy a sno pass every year,and I support sno pass integration for a reasonable price.
I support it,,but..as a side note I'd like to see transparency into the associated expenses.

Is anyone else getting tired of this Merry-go-Round? How many threads are going to be dedicated to the same subject?

Is it so hard to actually start threads about rides we've either been on, or are planning?(might make some new friends) Maybe we should try a few posts with questions on how to fix a problem with your sled without running to the manufactures forums (were you are safe from ridicule). I'm sure we would gladly try to help each other out of a situation as readily as we are to jump on each other for a trail pass, or to shit on snoman.

It seems to me the busiest threads are the ones where we happily rip each other to shreds. I'm sure this wasn't the original intention for having a forum.

"CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?"

I think this is a good topic....after all there are so many different opinions as you can see. Good arguements for both sides. We need to see how everyone feels about the subject. Ya it gets heated at times....but thats just the testosterone...LOL. We all get along.

Why....what did you break on your sled, what is wrong with your sled??? Start a post about your problems and I am sure someone will help you out....my mechanical ability is limited so all I will be able to tell you is "Make sure there is fuel in it" LOL. Also....If you don't like reading it...then don't..... I don't care about drag racing so I don't read them, but don't post that they should be stopped.

All is well........Wait for it......."No one died, all is fine" .......

Be carefull!! lol

As far as I know,,no one is out to get anyone.
If someone is broke down ,or needs help in anyway,,I'm pretty sure that virtually everyone on this forum would lend a hand.
I certainly am not getting pissed off about anyone's right to their opinion.
If it differs from mine,,great,,life would be awfully boring if we all had the same viewpoint.

Exactly!!!! And I know...had to be carefull on that post...Last time I got chewed on for that!!!! Ouch.... It still hurts...lol

That'll teach you, lol.

There's nothing wrong with my sled, I've ordered a new chain because the old one with 8000+ miles on it was stretching, and at the end of it's adjustment life. Nothing I can't handle. My point was that sleds break a lot, and yet we never seem to spend much time in this forum helping each other out.

This was a good topic on the first 25 threads that it appeared it's getting old. I think your original joke was pretty good, but the thread has again degenerated as all of these trail pass threads do.

I agree that a person doesn't need to log in to every thread, but if you cut out the racing threads, and the bitching threads, there's not much left.

Awwwwee..... Now you had to post that other reponse!?!?!?!? The therapy was just working for me... Now I have to go back to the shrink ....Damn!!! LOL I was so hurt...

Sorry man, I re-read it and thought it might bring up some bad memories. I can give my shrink's number if it would help.

Thats ok....I'll use mine... Use it so much I have him on retainer.LOL

Not that I am CRAZY or anything. Who said that.......STOP THE VOICES!!!!

OK ... I am better now.

mofo, you were on fire at 9:59am this morning, holy shit. MOFO, i'm having my own awards show, and i think you just won the award for Most Improved Grammer.

I'm sorry this is not something that should even be considered majority rules. I also know in my case and many others it's not about the money that people (like your self) keep bringing up and cusing us out for. It's about all the other rules and regulations that's going to come with it. I grew up sledding in an area long before some guy with a bright idea bought a groomer and decided to join snoman as a club............ but that's another topic. Personally would like to see it go back to the way it was in my youth. Sure the trail were a little bumpy here and there but snowmobiling seemed alot more like a gentleman's sport.

So short and sweet I wouldn't want to drop a dime on someone elses ideals expecially if I will never see or use what i'm paying into. I do feel that there is some need for trail systems and would be willing to pay into just not to the highway like expectations that people demanding. Let's keep the wilderness the wilderness kind of attitude! Post signs if your area is worried about people getting lost and have maps that's about it! If you don't know how to take care of your self out there you don't belong out there till you do!

i'll take 2 of the "SPIRITED ENERGY" stickers
what a frickin joke...

So the concensus is that they should not go with it???!?!?!? I'll get ahold of MPI on Tuesday and let them know.

Manitoba M1...can you do me a favour and call E.I. and the local property taxation people and ask them not to charge me for E.I premiums and school taxes... Thanks Bud...I owe ya!!!!!