I just got back from My dealer after ordering My new sled. I ordered a GSX limited 1200 4 tech in red. Next season I will have 3 fourstrokes and one lonely 2 stroke. It will be very intersting comparing My Doo 4 tech with My Apex and My Wifes 08 FX Nytro. I guess you could call Me a two brand loyal guy. I won't even look at Poo or Cat because I'm very happy with My Yamahas and Doo's. I know you guys probably think I ordered a new Doo because I don't like My Yamahas but thats not true at all. My Doo dealer is a friend and he is very involved with the club I'm president of. When I went to Yamaha I told him it was because of the 4 stroke engine and if Doo ever came out with a performance 4 stroke I would be back. I'm a man of My word and today I put My deposit down and can't wait till next year!

Congrats!


Any incentives you got with spring order? When does there spring order end?

Please give us a report when you get to ride it!

I think you'll like this new chassis, compared to the REV.

Its an awesome sled all around. I put twenty miles on one two weeks ago. I loved everything about it.

You should call your dealer and ask them.....My understanding is spring order is until 4/20. There is a financing incentive, or you can choose electric start or 2nd year engine warranty.

how was the power compared to an 800r?

This weekend I rode the XP 09 600 E-TEC back to back with the 1200 4 stroke 09 XP on a short roughish course BRP demo ride session at the CSRA North Bay snow cross. The 2 stroke was definitely the lighter feeling "friskier" of the 2. The BRP reps claimed 25 MPG (CDN) for the 600 (even saying they had seen as high as 30 MPG in cruising mode). One question. With the latest 2 strokes as fuel efficient as they are claimed to be, why buy a 4 stroke? They cost more, are no quicker, and handle not as well. They do last longer (maybe), but are way more expensive to fix. As I see it the justification for a 4 stroke over these latest technology 2 cycles is not there.

This was a real "apples to apples" comparison since I rode the engine variants in the same chassis.

Unless you have owned a series three Rotax you can't really understand why anybody would want the reliability of a 4 stroke. But then again you have a Polaris 2 stroke and I've had and been with many Poo sleds with seized engines. I don't buy 4 stroke sleds because they last longer. I buy them because they don't blow up like 2 strokes. I don't want to tow anymore 2 stroke sleds so I'm hoping that the guys I ride with will start buying 4 strokes. I'm betting that there will be plenty of Etechs on the end of a tow strap next year and very few if any 4 techs.

jds800rev I am ordering a 09 renegade 1200 this year and feel the same as you. one ?. is there a filter to change just like on the yami's that you know of??

Yes I was told it has an oil filter like any 4 stroke and its easy to get at to change but there is a catch. The 4 tech has a change oil reminder built in that tells you when the oil needs to be changed. I'm assuming it is based on either mileage or hours. Now hers the catch, if you don't change the oil and reset the computer the sled will go into limp mode and the only way to reset the computer is to bring it to your dealer.

Wow, I didn't know that one. Even still it won't effect my decision since I'm looking at the Doo four stroke. My biggest problem is
which model to buy, the Gade or the GSX. I currently have an 06 Gade and before that I had a 04 GSX. I really liked the GSX
it rode like a caddy but since my back is starting to show 55 years of abuse I just may go back to that model. What do you guys
think? Gade or GSX

Charlie

Charlie, The gade rides that much smoother.The longer track seems to take away all the smaller bumps that you would feel in a gsx.All my riding partners have Doo's and they are switching to gades from the GSX.I test drove the 09's and the gade rode the best (except for the 2-3 up with the 4 stroke and the air ride).I will be ordering a 09 gade 4 stroker soon. Even though I think it sucks you can't do you own oil change

I will always have 4-strokes now also. Going to the show with all manf's next week-end in Montreal.

We will be looking at the new Yami's, Cat's Z1, and the new Doo 4-stroke. I'll ask about the oil change thing.

That will not work for me at all if the dealer has to reset computers every time you change oil and there is a limp mode. What happens when I have 1500 miles on an oil change and the computer wants it changed at 3,000. If we take a week long trip and put on over 1500 miles will I have to go to a dealer on vacation or the sled goes into limp mode miles from nowhere? Or will I have to get a fresh oil change everytime we want to take a trip and have the dealer change it? That alone would stop me from buying it, but I'll ask a rep at the show.

i believe that only applies to the first service at that time the service light can be reset for a longer period of time or even turned off

Hype A+, real world sled F get your money back and buy from a manufacturer that will back the pos they sold you! Don't even sit down, go right back out and get your money back before the check clears!

I liked what it did, and everything that was good about the rev was better on the xp, mine is a pos and I hate to see anybody be where I am now. They won't fix it so I'll tell the truth. 1605 miles, nothing until after 800, would have been upset to read this post, now well I just don't know. Stuck with a $10,700 pile of lemons, and one horrible taste in my mouth.

What possibly does this have to do with his new purchase? You may address your complaints in the appropriate place, but if you're going to just repeatedly litter every other thread in which people are getting excited about their new Doo's then you're going to get a swift boot.

nuff said

Well....for me I've narrowed it down to two choices....2009 Doo Renegade 600 e-tech or a Yammie Nytro XTX. From what I hear and see it is a tough decission. The deciding factor may be my Dealer, whom I like alot, carries only Poo and Doo. I must admitt I'm a little gun shy about a first year motor, FWIW I owned a '05 900 Fusion.....nuff said !!

The only problem with the Etec is the power...The Gade will require more power vs the shorty....If i had to choose the Etec or the Nytro i'd go with the XTX...The Etec has less power than the SDI based on my two test rides this year...

I agree, somewhat of a concern but then the 'gade is still lighter than my 600 Fusion I believe and while it makes a few ponies less than the fuse, power-to-weight ratio is better. Then there's the track length issue with respect to "eating horsepower".

Truth is I'm looking for a sled that I can get up in the morning, enjoy my coffee, go outside, saddle up and ride without 'dickin' around ! Something I have not been able to do with my past two Poo's !!

Another plus for the 'gade is that it appears to be a warmer sled than the Nytro, others have spoke of optional windshields and fairings for the Nytro. the added weight of the Nytro does not concern me as much as the puny gas tank...7.4 gallons ! There's no doubt the Doo will get better range by at least 50-75 miles.

Did you line up the e tech vs the sdi, how many miles were on the e tech, why would it require more power on the gade I thought the gearing is different than the shorty.

Last year i had the 07 600 SDI X and my buddy had the Renegade X SDI and when we switched sleds or raced the shorty felt and always out run the Gade. The track robs plenty of the power even though they are geared different. The Renegade just didn't have the pull the shorty did and thats why i went with the 800R Gade this year even though i would have prefered the SDI over a carbed / choke sled...I wanted the Renegade so the 800 was the choice.

In your opinion do you think that the 800 is an overkill for the everyday trail rider?

Peter,

interesting that you say that for normally a long track will always accelerate faster initally(better/bigger footprint) but then somewhere after 600' the shorty should go by given it's less horsepower robbing track.

Correct me if I wrong....the 800 is still carbed ??? or has it gone FI ???

From owners of the 800 'gade of a couple years back that I've talked to a common problem is belt mileage, some couldn't even get 200 miles out of a belt ! From what I saw the shroud that covers the primary and secondary does not allow sufficent cooling for one thing. I suspect belt QC and clutch alignment also.

Wow is that for real guys ? Do post up I wish I knew that yesterday I'd have asked at the show. That is totally a no go for me also. I was actually interested after they got a year on the snow.

I sure a heck would never ever be taking my sled in for a $180 oil change like the current oil change pricing on Yammies here. So how would you reset the Computer ? That's nuts !

If your considering the xtx four stroke you should give some consideration to the 1200 renegade as well as it's really the xtx competitor and not the e-tech.

Well, I'm gonna be the devil advocate, and disagree. I've ridden the E-Tech a number of times and would really like one to replace the wife's SDI (she won't let me sell it...yet!). I felt the E-Tech had plenty of punch, and dooing a direct comparison with the 1200 4Tech, it was better overall IMO, but then again, could be the set up, etc, etc. As for the Gade needing more power than a shorty, again, I disagree, we (wife and I) have had Gade's exclusively since 06 (me since 05) and have never had any troubles keeping up with Shorties, ever...as a matter of fact, the wife's SDI will blow the doors off any other 600 we ride with across the lake (please don't tell her, though, thanks!).


Maybe, I went from the 600SDI (but I like going off trail) and find that the 800R is very manageable on the trails, but then again, if you're not interested in top end performance, get the E-Tech, enjoy not adding oil for 1000 miles, and having a 3 year warranty on the spark plugs...

And FWIW, the only sled that I have "trouble" keeping up with across the lake this year was the Mach Z...and as for the belt issue, I have 2300 miles on mine (original belt, 166 not the 377!!). And no, I don't "baby" the sled, just out having fun!!!

OK, the above two choices have been deleted........ As of today I've snowchecked a MX Z 800r Renegade, summer can't go fast enough !!

I just snow checked the Etec Renegade. I was going 4 stroke but the weight was a concern for me. Doo put all that effort into dropping weight on the entire machine. My old GSX 600 SDI has a listed dry weight of 494 pounds. My new Renegade with longer track has a listed dry weight of 435. I got the 4 year warranty too. Can't wait.

I've been told by multiple sources that the "limp mode" and dealer reset oil change reminder are NOT going to be on the new 4-TEC.