I currently have a 2007 blizzard 600 sdi and I want to reserve my sled for next year. I am not sure which one I should go with. I like the light weight but to me I think the 4 stroke in the long term will be better in terms of reliability and resale value. I think as well as the overall cost, no oil better gas mileage.. I am not a fan of the 800 althought if they came out with a E-Tec version I would have taken that for sure... Anyway any opinions?

I currently have a 2007 blizzard 600 sdi and I want to reserve my sled for next year. I am not sure which one I should go with. I like the light weight but to me I think the 4 stroke in the long term will be better in terms of reliability and resale value. I think as well as the overall cost, no oil better gas mileage.. I am not a fan of the 800 althought if they came out with a E-Tec version I would have taken that for sure... Anyway any opinions?

I've had the pleasure of riding both new doo's this year. The 4 stroke is the real deal!! It flat out rocks and makes the Etech feel slow. I thought the Etech felt no different than My 600 SDI. The 4 stroke felt way faster, quieter and smoother. As far as the oil thing goes you will spend about 40 bucks a season on a filter and oil change with the 4 stroke. Thats all I spend with My Apex. I have no idea what you will spend on the Etech.The thing about reliability is real and it has nothing to do with how long you plan on owning your sled. My 04 800 HO seized the first year I had it with 3100 miles on the odometer. The thing about the 4 stroke engines is they just don't fail. Its very plain and simple, they are rock solid reliable. You can be miles from home and put bad gas in your tank and your engine will still run while a 2 stroke will be burning holes in pisotns. This new Etech won't be anymore reliable than the 2 strokes Doo has now. I would also be very concerned with a lean running engine using very little oil. The 4 stroke engine will be easier to clutch and will run the same all the time. The new Etech I fear wil be very finicky when it comes to things like fuel quality. They even have special index plugs that must face a certain way or the engine will not run right. I'm so confident that the new 4 stroke will be better than the Etech that I'm going to order one tomorrow!!

I've had the pleasure of riding both new doo's this year. The 4 stroke is the real deal!! It flat out rocks and makes the Etech feel slow. I thought the Etech felt no different than My 600 SDI. The 4 stroke felt way faster, quieter and smoother. As far as the oil thing goes you will spend about 40 bucks a season on a filter and oil change with the 4 stroke. Thats all I spend with My Apex. I have no idea what you will spend on the Etech.The thing about reliability is real and it has nothing to do with how long you plan on owning your sled. My 04 800 HO seized the first year I had it with 3100 miles on the odometer. The thing about the 4 stroke engines is they just don't fail. Its very plain and simple, they are rock solid reliable. You can be miles from home and put bad gas in your tank and your engine will still run while a 2 stroke will be burning holes in pisotns. This new Etech won't be anymore reliable than the 2 strokes Doo has now. I would also be very concerned with a lean running engine using very little oil. The 4 stroke engine will be easier to clutch and will run the same all the time. The new Etech I fear wil be very finicky when it comes to things like fuel quality. They even have special index plugs that must face a certain way or the engine will not run right. I'm so confident that the new 4 stroke will be better than the Etech that I'm going to order one tomorrow!!

Go with the E-Tec. At 80 pounds lighter, its a no brainer. Get the two year warrantee and BRP back you if something happens.

If you plan on running the sled >10000 miles, get the four stroke.

I've had the pleasure of riding both new doo's this year. The 4 stroke is the real deal!! It flat out rocks and makes the Etech feel slow. I thought the Etech felt no different than My 600 SDI. The 4 stroke felt way faster, quieter and smoother. As far as the oil thing goes you will spend about 40 bucks a season on a filter and oil change with the 4 stroke. Thats all I spend with My Apex. I have no idea what you will spend on the Etech.The thing about reliability is real and it has nothing to do with how long you plan on owning your sled. My 04 800 HO seized the first year I had it with 3100 miles on the odometer. The thing about the 4 stroke engines is they just don't fail. Its very plain and simple, they are rock solid reliable. You can be miles from home and put bad gas in your tank and your engine will still run while a 2 stroke will be burning holes in pisotns. This new Etech won't be anymore reliable than the 2 strokes Doo has now. I would also be very concerned with a lean running engine using very little oil. The 4 stroke engine will be easier to clutch and will run the same all the time. The new Etech I fear wil be very finicky when it comes to things like fuel quality. They even have special index plugs that must face a certain way or the engine will not run right. I'm so confident that the new 4 stroke will be better than the Etech that I'm going to order one tomorrow!!

I've had the pleasure of riding both new doo's this year. The 4 stroke is the real deal!! It flat out rocks and makes the Etech feel slow. I thought the Etech felt no different than My 600 SDI. The 4 stroke felt way faster, quieter and smoother. As far as the oil thing goes you will spend about 40 bucks a season on a filter and oil change with the 4 stroke. Thats all I spend with My Apex. I have no idea what you will spend on the Etech.The thing about reliability is real and it has nothing to do with how long you plan on owning your sled. My 04 800 HO seized the first year I had it with 3100 miles on the odometer. The thing about the 4 stroke engines is they just don't fail. Its very plain and simple, they are rock solid reliable. You can be miles from home and put bad gas in your tank and your engine will still run while a 2 stroke will be burning holes in pisotns. This new Etech won't be anymore reliable than the 2 strokes Doo has now. I would also be very concerned with a lean running engine using very little oil. The 4 stroke engine will be easier to clutch and will run the same all the time. The new Etech I fear wil be very finicky when it comes to things like fuel quality. They even have special index plugs that must face a certain way or the engine will not run right. I'm so confident that the new 4 stroke will be better than the Etech that I'm going to order one tomorrow!!

I've had the pleasure of riding both new doo's this year. The 4 stroke is the real deal!! It flat out rocks and makes the Etech feel slow. I thought the Etech felt no different than My 600 SDI. The 4 stroke felt way faster, quieter and smoother. As far as the oil thing goes you will spend about 40 bucks a season on a filter and oil change with the 4 stroke. Thats all I spend with My Apex. I have no idea what you will spend on the Etech.The thing about reliability is real and it has nothing to do with how long you plan on owning your sled. My 04 800 HO seized the first year I had it with 3100 miles on the odometer. The thing about the 4 stroke engines is they just don't fail. Its very plain and simple, they are rock solid reliable. You can be miles from home and put bad gas in your tank and your engine will still run while a 2 stroke will be burning holes in pisotns. This new Etech won't be anymore reliable than the 2 strokes Doo has now. I would also be very concerned with a lean running engine using very little oil. The 4 stroke engine will be easier to clutch and will run the same all the time. The new Etech I fear wil be very finicky when it comes to things like fuel quality. They even have special index plugs that must face a certain way or the engine will not run right. I'm so confident that the new 4 stroke will be better than the Etech that I'm going to order one tomorrow!!

I've had the pleasure of riding both new doo's this year. The 4 stroke is the real deal!! It flat out rocks and makes the Etech feel slow. I thought the Etech felt no different than My 600 SDI. The 4 stroke felt way faster, quieter and smoother. As far as the oil thing goes you will spend about 40 bucks a season on a filter and oil change with the 4 stroke. Thats all I spend with My Apex. I have no idea what you will spend on the Etech.The thing about reliability is real and it has nothing to do with how long you plan on owning your sled. My 04 800 HO seized the first year I had it with 3100 miles on the odometer. The thing about the 4 stroke engines is they just don't fail. Its very plain and simple, they are rock solid reliable. You can be miles from home and put bad gas in your tank and your engine will still run while a 2 stroke will be burning holes in pisotns. This new Etech won't be anymore reliable than the 2 strokes Doo has now. I would also be very concerned with a lean running engine using very little oil. The 4 stroke engine will be easier to clutch and will run the same all the time. The new Etech I fear wil be very finicky when it comes to things like fuel quality. They even have special index plugs that must face a certain way or the engine will not run right. I'm so confident that the new 4 stroke will be better than the Etech that I'm going to order one tomorrow!!

two things have prevented me from joining the 4 stroke ranks, 1 is horsepower, the other is engine braking, what i have heard is the horsepower is there, tell me your thoughts on the engine braking onthe new 4 tec, thanks

Just rode the 4Tech yesterday, not bad, good engine pull, but much preferred the ETech. The 4Tech had very harsh engine braking, never had to touch the brakes in corners, this when Yammy is trying to lessen their engine braking....If I were buying new, I'd be going with the 800R again, but if I were getting a replacement for the wife's SDI, it'd be the ETech!!!

So you really like your 800R? I was thinking of upgrading to the 800 from my SDI, but I feel like going back to a Carbed sled would be worse...

I had the pleasure of riding all of these yesterday and the 4-tec I rode rocked!! I think it was the most impressive sled I have rode to date- and I went there to ride the 800r, that 1200 didnt feel any heavier than the 800r and the motor brake was perfect I thaught- it felt as if the thing went into neutral when you let off it and it def has good pull, now the etec 600 is a slug!!!!! it sounds like an outboard motor when you hit the gas and takes a little bit to get up and going good, now if you dont need alot of speed or power this may be the sled to get,great gas mileage 21 -26 mpg and a qt of oil every 1000 miles and spark plugs go 6600 miles- ptetty cool , I am a cat guy thinking of buying rev and wanted the 800r as I have fast firecat but after riding the 4-tec Im torn!!!!!!!!

oh really, i just looked on the doo site and you can buy a e-tec TNT for under 10,000. Go to the yamaha nitro and you need 13000 canadian.

Whats your point?? So you can buy a slug cheap!! The Nytro and the 1200 4 tech aren't slugs so they will cost more than a Etech.

Havn't rode the 4-tec, but have rode the e-tec and I was very impressed. When they say light, boy do they mean it! Lot of fun to ride to, and my friend who own's a dealership (we went to college together) has verified at least 23 miles per gallon with the e-tec they sent him, sometimes more. I was one of those that said "if skidoo makes a 4 stroke and its reliable (basically, if its as good as their chassis), I'd have one. Well, they didn't, and I needed a new sled, so the nytro was the thing for me. However, had this 4 tec come out the same year as the nytro, I'd have had one hell of a decision on my hands as I feel the 4-tec fits the type of riding I've normally done. From what someone was saying, this isn't even a new engine for skidoo, they've been using it in their two seater sleds for a few years. Anyone confirm? If so, that should at least comfort some who are worried about them makeing a reliable 4 stroke. At 1200 cc, I imagine the 4tec engine breaks like a son of a gun. Also on oil, you're not using much on the 4-tec, and it has to be done once a year. Not a big deal in the least.

Blackstrreak, the guy who has the nytro clearly doesn't know how to set it up. I'm not saying he doesn't know about sledding, but I've barely touched the set up on mine and its much better than you discribe. Others have the same experience. So clearly more setup time is needed. They do dive in powder a bit, all that weight in the nose. I imagine the 4 tec may do the same thing, but in the nytros case, I think it has to do with the lousy skis, they just plain don't float and really bring it down. Sorry though, I've derailed from topic.

Just another perspective from some one who owns what they are clearly competeing with. Hope it helps.

Nope this 1200 cc engine is out of their supercharged watercraft which makes 215 hp. This motor is 130hp NA

So what's the deal does this 600 e-tec have the power of other 600 class sleds or no??

How was the powerband of the 4Tec? Was it snappy all the way through? Any ski lift?

Slug.... I have a 2 Riding Buddy's that I ride with every time I ride... 1 has a ETEC.. And 1 has a Nytro... And I have a 600 SDI... I guess the Nytro is a slug because whenever we all race we are all dead even... But in the deep powder we run all over the Nytro.... I rode all 3 machines... And Ill tell you.. You can keep that Nytro... It darts all over the place and It's a scary ride.. And it kind of harry in the corners... Why is this.. I know it's all about set up.. But When I got my XP it wasn't set up properly either.. And it wasn't all over the trail like the Nytro was

Havn't rode the 4-tec, but have rode the e-tec and I was very impressed. When they say light, boy do they mean it! Lot of fun to ride to, and my friend who own's a dealership (we went to college together) has verified at least 23 miles per gallon with the e-tec they sent him, sometimes more. I was one of those that said "if skidoo makes a 4 stroke and its reliable (basically, if its as good as their chassis), I'd have one. Well, they didn't, and I needed a new sled, so the nytro was the thing for me. However, had this 4 tec come out the same year as the nytro, I'd have had one hell of a decision on my hands as I feel the 4-tec fits the type of riding I've normally done. From what someone was saying, this isn't even a new engine for skidoo, they've been using it in their two seater sleds for a few years. Anyone confirm? If so, that should at least comfort some who are worried about them makeing a reliable 4 stroke. At 1200 cc, I imagine the 4tec engine breaks like a son of a gun. Also on oil, you're not using much on the 4-tec, and it has to be done once a year. Not a big deal in the least.

Blackstrreak, the guy who has the nytro clearly doesn't know how to set it up. I'm not saying he doesn't know about sledding, but I've barely touched the set up on mine and its much better than you discribe. Others have the same experience. So clearly more setup time is needed. They do dive in powder a bit, all that weight in the nose. I imagine the 4 tec may do the same thing, but in the nytros case, I think it has to do with the lousy skis, they just plain don't float and really bring it down. Sorry though, I've derailed from topic.

Just another perspective from some one who owns what they are clearly competeing with. Hope it helps.

Whats your point?? So you can buy a slug cheap!! The Nytro and the 1200 4 tech aren't slugs so they will cost more than a Etech.

So they aren't slugs but they are still a yamaha and a ski-doo, not a Four Stroke Arctic Cat the "Freaking flies riding two-up" Guess who?

You just better be careful if you end up with a sled that goes over 40!! You can hurt yourself at those speeds! With your old sled you could be going wide open throttle, your Wife could fall off and jump back on without you ever taking your thimb off the throttle!

So they aren't slugs but they are still a yamaha and a ski-doo, not a Four Stroke Arctic Cat the "Freaking flies riding two-up" Guess who?

I have owned more than 20 cats and now own a 2008 Z1 SnoPro Nightfire......I rode both the e-tech and 1200 4 stroke three weeks ago.....and was so impressed with both that I am considering buying the etech for my wife and the 4 stroke renagade for myself. The e-tech was light, and responsive and very quick, although had trouble keeping the outside ski from lifting comming out of a hard corner on full throttle...suspension was awsome in 1 to 2 footers. The 4 stroke fealt a little heavier and steadier on the same 2 mile trail.....I was riding behind the factory rep and when I saw he took to the air of a six foot steep incline, I tried the same on the 4 stroke....the engine had a very quick snap and I was able to get 15 ft or more of air, and it landed sweet...the factory rep was looking over his shoulder as I was some 6 to 8 ft in the air...and when we got back to the coral he came over to me and said that was an awsome jump---and I said that was an awsome sled, I even went back the next day to try them again....Impressive.. both of them---that says a lot coming a 40 years of riding cats and nearly 100,000miles.

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