Any Reviews/Comments/Opinions of the 05' T660 Turbo ST for all you people that own or have ridin this sled!? I can't decide weither to get an F5 or a T660 Turbo ST, I know the F5 is way cheaper BUT the T660 Turbo gets way better gas milage, no plugs, and no oil, and also less maintenance!
Arctic Man

You forgot the quiet and smoke factor. Best bet is to demo them both but I know the outcome already. Dealer said the performance of the ST is between the F6 and F7. One of the biggest problems on all sleds is the vibration factor which ruins everything in time. The 660 turbo is as vibration free as they get.

I need Reviews, I know some of you guy's out there even own a T660 Turbo.
I NEED REVIEWS PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Arctic Man

Like I said before I liked my 2 up so well I got a t660st
also. We lost our snow so I can't ride the st . The 2 up
is quit and quick it will pick the skies off the snow. For
how well the 2 up runs the st has to be a ball to ride.
My other sled is a 03 f7 sno pro with 1750 miles on it.
I got 880 miles on the t660 turbo 2 up. No oil smoke
it is very quick and very quit. 5 feet away and you can't
here it runing that is how quit it is. I would not have
got the st if I did not love the turbo motor. I don't think
I will get another 2 stroke again. You have to ride it
to belive it.

I HAVE TURBO TRAIL WITH 1600 MILES SO FAR.NO PROBLEMS OTHER THAN DRIVEN CLUTCH COMING APART WITH 10 MILES ON SLED.INSTALLED NEW CLUTCH AND LOCKTITE THE THREE END SCREWS.LOVE THE SLED IT TOOK AWHILE TO GET THE SUSPENSION ADJUSTED TO MY LIKING.INSTALLED RISER ON HANDLEBARS,96 PICKS,MOVED REAR SCISSORS AHEAD,I WEIGH 225 AND RIDE ONLY ON TRAILS IN CANADA,NOT MUCH SNOW IN N.J.I DID ALL THE FIXES I FOUND ON THIS SITE AND CHECKED A FEW MORE ITEMS FOR POSSIBLE RUBBING.MILEAGE IS 15-20,VERY QUIET AND NO OIL SMOKE.BEST TRAIL SLED EVER, HAVE BEEN RIDING SINCE 1983 IN CANADA.

I have the Turbo trail as well. Just got back from a trip to Canada, Wawa ont. It was a great trip. The best part was that I used $45 US less in gas then the next closest sled's usage. We put on almost 600 miles in 3 days and my sled was everything I wanted it to be except for some pushing out in the corners. I beleive that I can take care of that by loosening the front suspension spring- But have not had the time yet to do so. It runs great, fast, QUIET, no smoke or smoke smell.

I don't beleive that I will ever go back to a 2 cycle again! In fact when me and a friend switched for a few miles I felt like I was riding a rattle trap that was tin canny compared to mine when I got back on mine. The turbo trail feels like a Cadillac and drives like a Mercedes. No major troubles (just belly pan and screws in the clutch secondary). I have over 600 miles on mine so far and love every minute I am riding it.


Tony

Ok, I have an ST

I've never ridden any other CAT though, so I can only compare it to all the ski-doo sleds I've had for the last 9 years. The sled I traded in on it was a 2000 F700 DLX (same as MXZ 700 but with electric start + reverse)

It is a great trail sled, it's a bit heavy, and it won't provide the quick responding throttle that a 2-stroke delivers. While riding in very tight woods you can't get the rpm up over 5K so it tends to be "boggy" but at normal trail speeds over 25mph or so, it has no problem accelerating hard on demand. Without studs, I find you can accelerate faster if you get onto the throttle slowly and progressively open it to allow traction, otherwise i really just spins all the time if you're not careful and the temperature is a bit warm (soft trails). With 6" dooly carbides on the ski's it turns very nicely even at high speeds, the stock offset runners were good, but the dooly's gave it an edge in moore loose snow. I love this sled.

I can ride 200+ miles after filling up (15-16 mpg) and at the end of long riding days you feel good, your ears don't ring, and your family doesn't complain about you smelling like oil.

If you can, you have to ride oth sleds, I'm sure the F5 offers a more direct throttle response, and would likely be easier to throw around in tight corners.

If you're buying it just to save on fuel, consider how much it costs! you have to ride it for a really REALLY long time to justify the savings. I say go with the one you really want to ride! economy isn't really a problem with today's 2 strokes either.

Thank you BR9ES, I was wondering how much you ended up paying for your T660 Turbo ST? I know there around $9,399 List, I have this dealer that I know that will sell me his bran new ST for $7,699. Is that good, I think it is!? Thanks, Arctic Man

Also anyone who has anymore opinions,recammendation of the T660 Turbo/ST it would be greatful, Thanks again

Arctic Man, I paid the full list two days after the dealer got the brochure in the mail (didn't mind the price as I got a really good deal on my trade, far above bluebook :div20: ). It was paid for and insured as it was loaded on the truck at the factory, one of the first to roll off and outta there. It was fun to ride a sled that wasn't even in the magazines yet!! :banana:

DEALER IN PA.HAS TWO 7399.00 ON THE STICKER UNTIL THE END OF MARCH.

LEISURE EQUIPMENT PARKERFORD PA. 610-4957122 ASK FOR PAUL

BR9ES thanks for all the applies, I have few other questions for you. Is there any TURBO LAG, I've asked a few people that have test drove them (AC T660 Turbo ST's) and I've got many different answers. So since you own one, is there TURBO LAG????????? Also I looked at a AC T660 Turbo ST and opened the hood and looked at the engine(AWESOME), then I desited to close the hood and the hood wouldn't close w/o having two people on both sides, streaching it over the bottom layer of the plastic. Is there anything do do about this, or haven't you had any trouble with this???? Last question, how fast is this BEAST???(How fast have you been on it,also?) Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!
Arctic Man
THANKS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

Also anyone that has anyother opinions, etc. on the AC T660 Turbo ST will/would be very greatful. THANKS
Arctic Man
P.S. BR9ES, when you get a chance please answer my question.

i bought mine for $7200 with a cover from rusty palmers in P.A

HTH,


Tony

Other than being a little heavy in the front I can't say anything negative about this machine. It took a little bit to get the handling dialed in but now it corners like on rails. I came off a 800 twin and the t660 surprised me, plenty of power. It does take getting used to using the throttle like the earlier post said but not an issue. I don't think I will ever go back to a 2-stroke. I've had mine to about 95mph.

I have the 04 t660 turbo, It runs comfortably with the 600 two strokes, in fact, In a short shot , two to three hundred feet, you'll threaten some of the 800's. Now , top end on mine is no where near what I've been reading here, I was on a hard pack frozen lake in upstate NY ( 4th lake to be specific ) and I saw 89mph PERIOD !!! Could be, if mine would have gone 105mph (???) possibly the additional air flowing across the hood would have kept the hood from being melted by the exhaust pipe. :banghead: I'm told by my dealer that there is no service bulliten on the turbo's having any HOT PIPE PROBLEM, but mine melted. They put on what looks to be an 05 exhaust pipe, a new hood and belly pan. I've noticed that the new belly pan is spaced off of the tunnel on the right side about 3/4 of an inch possibly to give it more room by the pipe, this does indeed make the hood more difficult to close as the hood has to spread wider than it was engineered to. Its worth taking a closer look at this on the 05's maby something similar was done, don't know for sure. I do know that on mine it distorts the hood and looks terrible. The dealer and I have not gone last round on that one yet. The exhaust location is worth taking a REALLY CLOSE LOOK at. As for mine , this weekend will tell the tale, we're going back to NY and this will be the first I've run it with the new parts on it. If I get through the weekend without any part of my sled burning and can still see 89mph, I'd say go for the turbo, otherwise, I'd give the thumbs down. Personally, if mine burns again, I am finished with arctic cat . Good luck to you on deciding which one to buy. If you havn't bought yet by next week and are still looking for input, I'll tell you how I made out on the trip. Turboman

haha Arctic Man,

Yes and no, it does have lag, I'll try to explain it...

When you are riding below about 20mph the engine is not very responsive, you have to get the engine up and over 5000rpm to get the response which doesn't take long at that speed but from corner-to-corner in the woods you can't really get over 5K rpm sometimes, so it makes for a bit of throttleplay if you want to go quick there. Over 5000rpm, it will do whatever you want right when it's needed. I raced my dad on his '02 4-Stroke, I let him go ahead so I could catch him, and he topped out at about 70mph, when I caught up to him at about 80-90mph, I let off the throttle and braked to his speed to match him, then right away I mashed WOT to pull away, what happened.. It took about 1 second for the revs to go back up, then the power came back on and I rocketed away from him leaving him standing still. This means at cruising speed when you let off, then open her up, you will get a little lag, but it's understandable! the turbine/compressor blades have to "spool" all the way up to 150,000+rpm right when you open the throttle, so understandibly, there is going to be a little wait for that kind of acceleration inside the turbo!

When riding at low speeds on a semi-icy road, and you want to spin the track to induce a slide, you can't do it like a 2-stroke where a snap of the throttle will simply spin the track, you have to grab a gob of throttle to get the revs up over 5000ish then the track will let loose.

Top speed, well, I haven't actually tried to get a top speed out of it, but on a normal groomed trail at 95mph it does keep going. It will do 100mph no doubt, it just takes a little more distance. In a field where I used to get well over 100 mph on my old MXZ 700, the ST will get about 90mph but will keep on going faster not topping out early like the 700 used to, but the ST will run out of trail before reaching 100 (I'm talking about 3/4 mile).

My sled has been perfect, just had a ski-loop bolt fall out and the rear tunnel sticker fall off (cosmetic problems) that's all! and after riding for 250+miles in a day, I feel great, the ST's suspension isn't the most plush experience, but it's not at all tiring. I did a 600mile three day trip, and felt great the day after, no problem!!

sorry for the epic post, just thought you'd like to know what I know..

oh, and I close the hood one side at a time, never got it on the first try.

turboman; if you wrap your pipe in header wrap, it will cure the problem, I used 2" x 50' Thermo-Tek Cool-it wrap, the pipe can almost be touched, and the hotter pipe will let gas flow quicker I'm told. I took off the aluminum heat shielding, wrapped the entire length of my '05 style pipe, and re installed the aluminum shielding with stainless hose clamps, no sweat!

Thanks BR9ES and Turboman, I appreciate your imputs! I am probably going to buy a 2005 Arctic Cat T660 Turbo ST w/ the 4-year waranty! (Waranty is awesome, it's like a car!)
Arctic Man
Thanks again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BR9ES- if you have any problems with your Turbo ST in the future please list,Thanks

I hope that the Turbo 660 ST is everything you guys say it is! I can't wait to get one, with that awesome 4-year waranty and No payments until 2005! OOOOOHAAAAAAA!
Arctic Man
Thanks again!
Also anyone that has anyother comments,opinions, etc. please list it will be very greatful to me! Thanks

Hello again. I have returned from NY With some good news. My sled did not melt down this time. The extra space they gave it around the pipe must have helped. I still want them to do something about the hood, cause now it pops out on the opposite side of the exhaust , its definately under stress the way it is now. Another piece of good news, when we run them off on the lake, I said to my brother(800efi) that I was happy to still see 89mph that nothing was changed with the motor, and he said to me " 89 !!!???!!!??? we were going way faster than that!!!" So we went back out and run side by side top end, I again saw 89mph, He saw 97mph :fluffy: someone's spedo' is off , given that mine is digital and also reads low on the fuel level I'd say its mine . I'd like to thank the fellow on" the header wrap" tip, I'm going to bring that up at the dealer when I get them to put my belly pan back on the way it belongs. :div20: Turboman

Unfortunately the new style speedo reads almost smack on. It's everyone else who thinks they are going faster than they actually are. I tested it with gps. Iwould say the average speed of error for most all other sleds is a good 10mph if not more when you start getting into the very high double digits.

Hey, Thanks for all you reply's!!
Arctic Man

on my last trip I mounted my GPS on the dash, had the speedo matching the GPS perfectly no matter how fast I went, It's bang on.

I looked over a new delivered T660 ST yesterday. There's very little change from the 2004.5 ST.

The only things I could see visually, were the secondary clutch is redesigned with a white nylon center part, and the seat design is different. the stripe doesn't continue down over the hump of the seat, they end at the top, and the vertical part where you sit agaisn't is now black.

other than that, i think there is no other changes, the track looks the same too.

Awsome sled. Must be compared to a triple in weight and 'feel', but handles 10 times better. It rips the track loose at almost any speed so, to whom ever has one, make sure you stud it!

:div20:

It is a triple

These are not great through the woods but if you throw on the 5/8 sway bar out of the touring and put 6 inch doolies on the front the thing handles pretty well. Also if you bump up the engagement turbo lag is not as bad. This sled is only making about 60HP when you go through a corner off boost. they run about 5 lbs of boost until about 5800 rpm and then it dumps to 19lbs. Adding some wight in the cluth helps these a whole bunch.

Artic Man, (Maybe a little late)
I purchased my 06 Turbo ST this March on consignment for $5500 with 1800 miles on it. The slides and skegs were shot, but otherwise in very good condtion. I only got to ride it 100 miles. But compared to my 2000 ZR600 EFI, I love this new sled. The ST is certainly faster and great pull through the lower range. I never noticed any TurboLag. Anyone saying there is some, must be focusing pretty close to notice it.
The sled gets great traction with the 1" lugs.. just grips and goes. All while being quiet, and I like the no smoke.
I think it was a great purchase. A couple things different that I haven't read is, there is a fair amount of heat that comes out of the hood. It was about 25 F when I rode it, and I got a little warm working it though the trails at a good clip.
yes, it is heavy.. but I don't think it handles bad.. for it's weight.. I think it handles pretty well. Not as easy as the lighter 2 strokes, but I don't think it will bother me (and I ride a lot of woodsy trails.
Another thing, the sled doesn't glide like the 2 strokes. (The all don't glide very well, but with the 4 stroke, you let off the gas later into the corner, and seldom need the brake as it pulls your speed down for you.
I wouldn't say this is a bad thing.. just different.
Gas mileage... 100 miles on (pretty hard driving in mostly twisty trails) and half a tank left. I would say that is around 18 mpg. Can't imagine what it does in straighter easier driving. My old sled was known for eating oil.. and it did. (about 2 quarts / 100 miles) I turned the oil pump as low as I could make it (not that much change) and it didn't really help. We do some overnight rides, I used to carry 2 gallons of oil with me for my sled and my wife. My saddle bags were full. Don't need to do that anymore.. big advantage.

Also, my 06 came with the suspension REALLY STIFF!!! I loosend the shocks as light as they go.. and it wouldn't move when I sat on it. I have since made some engineering changes to lighten it up some. Don't know why so stiff, but you may have to consider those changes as well.
Don't know top speed.. but pulls hard from 20-80 at least. I kind of raced my buddies MXZ700.. and while he got a bad start, I let up to give him a chance.. and still had no problem taking him. Didn't even hold it to the bars.

Wonder how it could handle 10x better than a "triple" since it's on the same chassis as the triples???

The only thing I have to add to this conversation is price. I've been looking into buying an ST myself over the past year. This winter I saw a left over go for $6900 on ebay, and a dealer sold a few of them at buy it now prices of $6500. Not sure what "fees" the dealer might have added to the buy it now price, but I'm sure they tacked on a couple hundred $$$ in "document fees". So I would say if you could buy a leftover in the $6000-6500 range you'd be doing ok.