OK! before you guys go off on me... YES i got a ticket for my pass, I have it on a hard plastic plate on my bars,
and I will pay it,

but what pisses me of is.... I have the part that goes with the pass to prove its for that sled, ( does not mater)

TICKET!!

and the BIG piss off is.... these guys ( cops) are siting on the side of the road with there budys picking off silly things!

when they can be in the bush nailing guys for riding like A-holes and make things safer! how is my trail pass ticket making things safer??

I had about a mile to turn around when i saw them, but I have never had a issue before so I went ahead and got nailed, NEXT TIME! I will be turning around,

Botom line is...there making easy $$$$$ without making things safer!!

Oh well! next year I dont think I will be selling the 300 + passes we sell out of here! maybe more will follow and then the ofsc will step in!!

I know!! its a dream!!!!

John, although I agree with you that the substance for getting the ticket is retarded, since you had a pass, mounted on your sled, when stopped, they could clearly see, your comment about stopping to sell "over 300 passes", is as lame as the Officers who wrote you the ticket.
Thats not helping anything, it's hurting, and i'm sure its just you blowing of steam about the ticket, but if you really feel that way, then GIVE YOUR HEAD A SHAKE, thats retarded, seriously.

Was your throttle broken?

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I don't get what not selling OFSC permits has to do with you getting a non compliance ticket, for improper placement of your MTO regulated permit ?? I can only think loosing those 300 pemit buyers could and probably would also hurt your business John, as I'm sure many dropped a few duckets on other things while in in your store buying permits.

What really stands out is you titled this thread "finaly!! I got a ticket" so it's pretty obvious you knew you were in violation of the law .... while yes petty of them to ticket you when it's clearly visable, just suck it up John you knew it was illegal to put it there before you decided to.

Sorry guys i agree with him its a flat out BULLSHIT law, you HAVE the permit and the necessary documentation it should matter where the hell you put it on your sled cause when it comes down to it, you still payed the $200 or so bucks for it, when they're assholes out there running the trail without em yet you the one who supported the ofsc and paid for your permit get a ticket for placement grow up.

Just my two cents take it or leave it. Mine is behind my windshield on the right side, so in order to look if i have my license for this year you have to go to the left side of the sled and the permit then will be right in your face.

YES!! i knew I would get a ticket but with over 200HP I figured a ticket for somthing else???

I most likeley will still sell passes out of here as I like the club over here and there a bunch of good guys, and I would be hurting them, not the OPP,

but come on!! a ticket for this??? I rather get a speding ticket, at least there making things safer and slower,

Sorry, will disagree with you to a certain degree. The permit shows clearly where the proper placement (both preferred and acceptable) to affix the permit to your sled. It says "to your sled", not to a plastic placard you mount on the handlebars...it also states "The Trail Permit is valid only when permanently affixed in the approved areas such that it is fully visible to a person standing 10 metres in front of the machine on its centreline", so, for those clowns who put it on the side panel, not approved, and therefore, could also result in a ticket!!!

Sorry that you got caught, John, but as a retailer for the permits (which I think would be a disservice for you to discontinue) you should have known better!!

Reminder to all!!!

I sure don't agree with the ticket they should maybe give a warning but is this the best they can do especially if they guy has the paper work. If it was me and I am not a cop if you had it in your pocket I would let you go with a warning. Somtimes they go a bit far. I was talking to Odot and the sled I have has the plate on the tunnel ( previous owner) I will get hood number eventually, and he said technically its not legal and he said some guys would probably write it up but he knew I had all my paper work in order and so was not a prick about it. The guy supports the user pay system he should not be penalized for some petty thing like it's mounted in the incorrect place that is BS.

Scrimmer i understand the law entirely im saying i dont agree with it.

It's hard enough to get people to buy passes and that kind of OPP stupidity doesn't help. What John is saying is the exact reaction that people are having to the Nazi like mentality we are seeing sometimes on the trails. Get the drunk uninsured shit boxes without passes off the trail and leave well enough alone. I can be a real prick when I have to be but I cannot understand how some can be that vandictive. I really have a hard time not enjoyed watching other white guys having fun, I just don't get it.

Unless of course he let you off of a 180KPH ticket in exchange for a pass placement ticket LOL

I've had 1 pass ripped off the hood in ON and 1 in QC I put mine on the windshield and take the WS in the hotel at night now. It's affixed and visible.

ya that was petty to give ticket for that but just like a car if your sticker is not top right corner its like its not there at all.
I guess too many people transfer or share the sticker now they want it attached to the sled

How much was the ticket

Rules are Rules. Non Negotiable, even if you are one of the "good guys." You wouldn't put your car license plate sticker on your windshield, would you? You would put it on your license plate(where the diagram states to put it.)

As a salesperson representing the O.F.S.C. you should realize that you of all people can not "bend" the rules. This is exactly what the O.F.S.C. is trying to enforce. The "If I get caught" theory doesn't cut it anymore....

Sorry, but it's true.

Money grab by OPP. Bottom line though, put it in proper spot to avoid hassle. You are wrong and they are right. No grey area. I still think they could do us all a better service and perhaps enforce the things you mentioned. That is the same cop that would stop a car going 110 on the 400. That cop needs a "reality check"

John:

Just a question - why did you not just put the sticker where it is supposed to go?? Did you put it on the bars for cosmetic reasons because you did not want it on the windshield or hood??

You are knowledgable about the rules so there must be a reason why you decided to not follow them.

Now - after receiving the ticket - were those reasons worth not having the sticker in the right place?

I got simple question the permit placement probably falls under the $110 curtain, what does no permit cost ya? Itd be a outrage if it was the same $110 blanket that pretty much encompasses everything sled related

So the OPP can pick and choose which laws they "feel like" enforcing on any given day?????

Guys, Rules are Rules. It's that simple. If you are going to enforce the rules, you enforce ALL the rules. John has learned a valuable lesson here, follow the simply stated rules, or pay the fine. 300 Plus permit sales, and never read the instructions clearly printed on all of them, come on. Ignorance is not an excuse. Besides what other fines did that officer give out on that day in particular? How many fines for not having a trail pass did he issue? How many "failure to produce ownership/insurance" did he issue? He was there making it safe for ALL of us.

Yep, $110 plus for no permit plus $230 for a permit on the spot!!! Take that to the bank, really sucks, if you got caught!!

They should atleast make the trail passes a cool design or smaller!

They stick out like a sore thumb.

Thats the whole point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it's made to be visible!!!!

I could get all wound and bent up about this topic.....? I won't. You got judged and ticketed for having a bling sled IMO. Jealous maybe and figured you had the cash to pay a ticket.

Bottom line, these are not the type of cops we want on the trail or anywhere. Why not use some common sense and judgement FGS, hard to do when the hiring policy doesn't even take this into consideration. What a DUMB ass. How many times have I rolled into a stop and got nothing but attitude.......Smile guys, it will make your shift more enjoyable, your not judge and jury FGS.

We ran into two young OPP guys in Baysville yesterday, a quick look and got us underway in 2 secs with a nice welcome, told us to have fun when wet finished up. No attitude or BS,

I find it's the locals who mostly drink and ride without the proper permits etc......flame away. Cops and STOP on the trail is a good thing.........so, I guess, be legal and you have nothing to worry about. Have a coffee or coke instead of the 2nd/3rd beer at lunch.........jesus, now I'm ranting.....LOL

cope have the ability to use descretion, Id say sticker placement wouldnt be a priority, dangerous driving would be, but I guess there is a reason those cops are stuck up north, keep them out of the city where the real work is.

Yes the OPP can use discretion in enforcement and most do. I want to see enforcement on the trail on blind corners, I want the police to send a clear message that blowing turns due to speed will not be tolerated. Permit placement is not a safety issue nor is insurance or ownership( important but not safety related). I ride 100% legal so have no concerns with getting stopped. I have do and will continue to exceed the speed limit and if nailed I would only complain if the cop gave me a ticket for 70kph on a railbed where I can see for a mile. I would complain but not fight it as if you are wrong you are wrong. BTW yesterday I rode a 10 mile stretch of railbed at or under 50k with my daughter and wife. We ride legal and safe and I feel resources would be better spent in making sure my family does not get injured by someone riding in a recklass manner.

John were you up in Dorset when you got this? We were up there snow ball fest and there was two opp just going crazy for everything from chin straps at the gas station to numbers not being a specific spot on the cowling. Even driving down the road and stopped and warned not to speed when were only doing 20km anyhow. They were being two sticky.

So, It cannot be somewere not visible or on a part that can be removed and put on another sled?

Have you seen the Quebec passes? They seem to be doing OK with a sticker about 1/4 the size.

Correct!!

it wasn,t in dorset it was in dwight cause i passed john and stopped for a second to say hello where they had him stopped. i thought he was getting nailed for his exhaust. as per usual it is up to the discretion of the officer. i got pulled over two weeks ago and was asked for insurance ,ownership and i had expired insurance slips. they were the temporary ones and i forgot to change them. the officer said if i could afford two sleds (2006 apex) (2008 fx nytro) he knew i had insurance on them and let me go. some other officer could have given me the ticket.

I've been stopped 3 times this year, but not once have I been asked to show paperwork, they've simply checked I had a pass, registrations #'s, and my annual sticker was valid. 2 seconds and gone.

Some officers can be dicks, just like the rest of us.

I believe an Officer issuing a ticket for a trail pass in the wrong location, but confirmed to be the proper pass as per the accompanying paperwork is petty, but it's the law, don't agree with it, but that doesn't matter anyways.

I was stopped in ayr and they checked everything from insurance, to ownership, licence sticker permit, even my drivers license. I had it all in order so didnt care, they were nice though and commented on my sled.

Again they saw where i had the permit and he was like preferably on the hood but thats fine.

thanks for stoping!! ya it was at #35 beside lake land rec, and it was on saterday, I have been stoped tons of times and not a word!!

get this!!! after we got our ticket one of them was telling us how cool are sleds were and snaping picks of it???

I will pay my ticket and keep paying as YES!! i will NOT be sticking it on my custom paint!

this law has to be worked on!! if you have your paper part and it matches then you are good!! end of story! the laws were made many years ago before higher bars were around and you would not see be able to see your pass,

I know I know! the law is the law!! HEY OPP!!! GO GET A-HOLES DRIVING LIKE DI%$# so familys can come back out and ride,
when i told the cop I would help him to nab guys on the wrong side of the trail he said.... to much work!!

I saw a kid a week ago in dorset in tears from the cops, I asked him what did they say?? the cops told him that he had a can and they were going to take his sled, I know this is silly but you dont tell a 15 year old kid this!!

next time the kid spots a cop he will run!! and maybe hurt himself or someone else?? ( NOT COOL)

OPP!! take it down a notch!!

I was out the other day with my licence sticker 1 day out of date. After some time of the policeman flipping through his violation handbook while glancing at me, he informed me that he would let go on this $240 finable offence.

Now that's a lot of cash for a $15 sticker, where is the justice in that?

Maybe the 15 year old shouldn't have had a can on his sled?

The cops should take his sled and impound it. Maybe people will get the hint.

I have sympathy on the trail pass issue, but ZERO on the can issue.

Did you do this because you have multiple machines and you only wanted to buy one pass?

I think the fine for a can or pipe should be $5000, and impound the vehicle. Keep that stuff, and NOS to the track, and drags where it belongs!! They are ridiculous!!! It's like trying to talk at the airport when a can or piped sled goes buy.

Did you do this because you have multiple machines and you only wanted to buy one pass?

THIS IS THE DUMBEST THING I HAVE HEARD!! did you read the post??? i have my paper work that matches my sled!

COME ON!

I agree, the ontario pass should be similar.

ICE!! yes! but this is NOT THE LAW!!! ( impounding it or taking homes!) OH! and scaring kids so they run!!

I can go on! but i wont! you guys are right and im wrong, sorry!!

I will keep things to my self!

The thing I never understand about this is the following...


Everyone always complains about location of sticker and numbers and documentation etc etc etc..

Is it really a big deal?
Do you put you car license plate in your glove box and argue a ticket because "Hey.... I had it on me"
or
I know your supposed to put your registration on your plate but put it on your headlight because "Hey it looks better there"
or
Your work parking lot pass in your console and then argue a tow charge because "Hey I like to keep it there"

These things are designed in such a way that the "Powers that be" saw fit to request from the users...just go with it... life is too short to nit pick every little thing....


I don't think that the OFSC Pass violation is making things safer.... but picture this..... You have decided to dedicate your life to Law Enforcement....you are paid well and do a good job. You have been assigned to park at a road crossing and ensure that "EVERYTHING" is in check... nothing has happened for awhile and everything is good....

Along comes this guy in violation of the rules...(a guy that knows he is bending them but hopes everyone lets him off).... what do you want the guy to do.... turn a blind eye???

Rules are Rules.... I learned to follow them when I was 2 yrs old... some are dumb some are good... just go with it man....

I don't think John would do this - but the Police officer might think that is the reason behind mounting it that way.



John:

I don't doubt you did this because of your custom paint work to your sled. But - not affixing directly to the sled would make it possible to move it to another sled. It does not comply with the law, and yes - I also think it is nit picky on the part of the Officer. But, I put the ugly sticker smack in the middle of my windshield. I go sledding to lower my stress level. Don't want the hassle of arguing with an Officer.

John:

Just be happy he did not give you a ticket for your exhaust too. I have no idea if your sled is loud - but I did see the custom exhaust.

YOUR right and im dumb, sorry!!

John, can I ask an ignorant question here?

My sled has OEM paint on the hood, I place my sticker at the nose of my sled, not on the windshield, one because I barely have one, and two, what little space there without graphic, it won't fit.

This year I removed my 07 pass, cleaned the area, and applied my 08 pass in the same spot with no paint damage whatsoever.

I would assume a custom paint job, which is probably very expensive, would be at least on par, if not better than OEM, so what would be the issue of placing it somewhere on the paint?

Just a question, not trying to stir you up, mainly because I do agree with you that if your slip matches, should be a non issue.

I realize that impounding the sled is not the law (that I know of?), but come on, there are so many guys running around with loud cans for absolutely no reason.

It's got to stop. Our sport needs to make friends, not MORE enemies.

The sticker issue while technically illegal, is a dumb thing to write a ticket for, IMO.

Yes, I read the post! I think the dumbest thing that has happened here is that you actually done this and think it is ok and then posted it on here thinking others would agree with what you did. You know how the sticker is to be applied, you deserve to be fined.

Now for the reason I asked if you had multiple sleds. It seems that someone might want to do this if they owned more than one sled and wanted to use them at different times during the season. You having it installed on a plate would make it portable and could be used on other machines without buying a permit for all of them. Chances are this is why they fined you.

I undrstand!! and dont take this the wrong way.... but if you had a ton of art work in your paint you would find a place other than the painted area to stick it! TRUST ME!

and this goes for guys who just bought brand new sleds and dont want a big ugley sticker right there,

my reg # and val tag is in the proper place,,, cause there not bIG and silly

I can fully agree, this is why mine is not on my windshield, I have a very small, low windshied, that has OEM flame decals on it, that's reason my pass is not on it, because I don't want it overlapping the decals, hence why it's on my hood nose. As far as I know, mine is legal, and i've been given the "thumbs up" from several Trail Patrol, it's visible, and permanent.

I'm guessing like the others said, you're issue is likely more because its on an easily moveable part, I don't know,

I guess they gave you a ticket because it took them more time to look at rather than just waive you through.

Dude ...I'm pretty sure I never called you dumb.. and I didn't bother to wade thru the numerous pages this thread has created...and MAYBE your back is up.....

I'm just saying...two things

1. Why does everyone get all wound about the rules and regs for sledding and just accept the ones directed at the rest of our lives... ?

AND

2. If you knew you were breaking the rules and got caught...........how can you complain...?

I see what you sayin john and maybe it's time for the OFSC to approve some kind of custom perment fixture maybe billet aluminum or something. It would be nice to have it bolted to your bars maybe for all the newer style sleds that have risers on them.

I was not complaining about the $100 bucks!! Im pissed as there siting there writeing up pepole for silly things!!!
they should be out nailing pepole for careless driving, you know why there not??? to much work and hard to prove!(FACT! THEY TOLD ME THAT!)

there is a row of stops signs along hwy #35 right before we got pinched, I said to the cops... why dont you give the guys blowing the stops sign tickets?? its snow act and hard to prove!! WOW!!! now thats inforcement!!


the pass things needs to be changed to...if you have the pice of paper that matches your vin# YOUR GOOD!!

My 2 cents!

Who's to say he did, polaris made an xcr 600 with triple slp pipes on it from the factory, I had one and got threatened a couple times with being fined for changing my pipes, my question, what makes the cop a qualified person to determine whats a loud or stock can, unless they have a dB meter, and what gives them the right impound for something they aren't qualified to determine. By the way, I've since sold mine because, I thought it was a little loud.