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kingdmridr
This was on Yahoo this morn, I'm reregistering my sled in New Hampshire biggrin.gif

By JOHN CURRAN, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 8 minutes ago



BRATTLEBORO, Vt. - A town petition making President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney subject to arrest for crimes against the Constitution has triggered a barrage of criticism from people who say residents are "wackjobs" and "nuts."

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In e-mail messages, voicemail messages and telephone calls, outraged people are calling the measure the equivalent of treason and vowing never to visit Vermont.

"Has everyone up there been out in the cold too long?" said one.

"I would like to know how I could get some water from your town," said another. "It's obvious that there is something special in it."

The petition — with more than 436 signatures, or at least the 5 percent of voters necessary to be considered — was submitted Thursday and the town Select Board voted 3-2 Friday to put it on the ballot. It goes to a town-wide vote March 4.

It reads: "Shall the Selectboard instruct the Town Attorney to draft indictments against President Bush and Vice President Cheney for crimes against our Constitution, and publish said indictments for consideration by other authorities and shall it be the law of the Town of Brattleboro that the Brattleboro Police, pursuant to the above-mentioned indictments, arrest and detain George Bush and Richard Cheney in Brattleboro if they are not duly impeached, and prosecute or extradite them to other authorities that may reasonably contend to prosecute them?"

News of the measure made the rounds on the Internet, and soon people started calling and writing. The Brattleboro Area Chamber of Commerce got about 60 e-mails Monday, all of them negative, said Executive Director Jerry Goldberg.

A day later, he said, "we had three or four calls in a row that were very positive. One even volunteered to help."

The petition has no legal standing, since the town attorney has no authority to write an indictment and the police have no authority to arrest Bush or Cheney if either visits Brattleboro.

Anger at the Bush administration is hardly new in Vermont. The state Senate voted last year to support impeaching the president. Anti-war rallies are regular occurrences, and "Impeach Bush" bumper stickers are common.

The petition prompted Brent Caflisch to go to his computer in Rosemount, Minn. "Maybe the terrorists will do us all a favor and attack your town next, our country would be much safer with several thousand dead wackjobs in Vermont," he wrote.

It went on to say terrorists could kidnap the three Select Board members who voted in favor, "cut their heads off, video tape it and put it on the internet."

Caflisch, who confirmed sending the e-mail, said Tuesday he did it out of disgust after reading about the measure on The Drudge Report.

A few messages were positive ("Arrest Bush and Cheney? You go, Brattleboro!" wrote one man) but most were critical.

"Be American, not a sniffeling liberal town that sleeps under the shield of safety provided to you by your President," said another e-mail. "Vacation to VT CANCELLED!"

The reaction caught town officials off guard, and left some workers on edge.

"We have some concerns about safety," said Town Clerk Annette Cappy. "After reading some of these e-mails, you can't help it."

Acting Police Chief Eugene Wrinn said any threats would be taken seriously and possibly prosecuted. So far, no threats have been made, he said.

"If someone is concerned for their safety, if there's a threat of harm, we will look at that seriously," he said.

Resident Kurt Daims, who submitted the petition, said late Tuesday he was chagrined that the town and its employees were subject to ridicule.

"I feel bad for people who are loyal to Bush who have lost a son or had one in the service and it's hard for them to admit the utter waste of it, and that it was caused by this man in the White House," he said.
oldtimer
These "people" would hand this country over to anyone with a pointy stick. They are the most useless Americans in America, a damn tall order, but they are.
Jim85IROC
Tree hugging dirt munching pinko liberals will have completely taken over the state within the next 10 years. First it was Burlington, but that place has always been full of hippies so nobody really noticed. Then the NYC migrants discovered Rutland, and once they took control of that, Brattleboro was next. It also didn't help that when VT allowed gay marriage, that Brattleboro was the closest city to Boston. Not that having gay folks in the state is bad, but most of them tend to be bush-hating liberals.

Bennington is next.

The NYC migrants move up here to get away from the city, then they slowly turn their quaint, rural farming town into the same pile of crap that they left behind in NY.
oldtimer
^^^^ it happened here in NH the last 20 years....locals don't bother getting involved, the aliens just walk in and get whatever position is open, presto! Changes come in a years time. 10 years ago, there was no zoning in my town. You could do whatever you wanted with your land.
Now? Need a permit to burn brush in winter, need a permit to build a dog house, can't build within 300 feet of water, can't build on a slope greater than 16*, can't build on ridge lines, now we get taxed on views, now we have 300' tall cell towers to look at, we bought a 300K 3 room building for town offices when we had a bigger 200 year old historic building to use that did the job just fine, the town Conservation commission is openly against any snowmobile trails and has gone as far as contacting landowners to ask them to tell me "NO!" if I ask about crossing their land, but the next fucking day the CC asked ME if they could "inventory" the wetlands I might own. The inventory will be used to take EVEN MORE landowner rights away from us. What do you think I told them?
doug1991
Yea. Brattleboro is pathetic. I only go there to shop a walmart and Sams otherwise i steer clean Friggin Loony hippes and liberals
are out of there mind up there. No common sense or brains. I love the way they all drive around with their bumper stickers that say impeach Bush. LOLOL
Impeach him for what??????? Morons.

serbiesnow
Ive been saying this for years now,..the state has hit a new low,..Vermont plates on my truck used to be responded to with a bit of jelousy from those in other states, now Im embarrassed to have them on sometimes. Vermont is FUCKED UP because of out of state liberals, weak minded assholes who have ruined a great state. I hate all of them Flatlander liberals)to my inner core!!! They are NOT allowed on my land if I know of them! (all thsi nonsense coming from a town that allows you to walk down mainstreet completely naked, what a bunch of flippin asswipe morons!!!)
serbiesnow
Heres my email to the town,.... Do you really think that your town, full of nut jobs and left wing wakos is promoting tourism?? The latest news about Cheney and Bush was my final straw, I will not even stop into your wako nut case town for gas anymore. You are an embarrasment to this country and the state of Vermont. You people really need to have your heads examined, I doubt there is any hope for your town, or the idiots who live in it, I for one, am officially boycotting you, and I am forewarding all the info I can to my friends and family so that they may do the same. Have a great life you imbeciles, enjoy your status as the laughing stock of America!!! (Its getting bad driving out of state now with my Vermont plates, I get the middle finger im most places now, thanks to morons like your leaders, thanks a lot) can I tell you how I really feel???
DaveRT
And I thought Constable Teddy Miller was a good reason to say out of Vermont. Now I have two reasons.
Snow Dawg
QUOTE(Jim85IROC @ Jan 30 2008, 11:14 AM) *
Tree hugging dirt munching pinko liberals will have completely taken over the state within the next 10 years. First it was Burlington, but that place has always been full of hippies so nobody really noticed. Then the NYC migrants discovered Rutland, and once they took control of that, Brattleboro was next. It also didn't help that when VT allowed gay marriage, that Brattleboro was the closest city to Boston. Not that having gay folks in the state is bad, but most of them tend to be bush-hating liberals.

Bennington is next.

The NYC migrants move up here to get away from the city, then they slowly turn their quaint, rural farming town into the same pile of crap that they left behind in NY.



Give me a BIG AMEN to that right there! wall.gif
rmo5095
QUOTE(Snow Dawg @ Jan 30 2008, 12:26 PM) *
Give me a BIG AMEN to that right there! wall.gif


God that is sickening, I remember as a kid going through Manchester and all there was was billboard with Bromley ski conditions and a gas station now it is a haven for outlet stores and NYC leaf watchers then being in Vt wasn't cool. It seems to me until someone of high profile jumps in to the sport and makes it socially acceptable , something like what Forbes and Leno did for Harley we will always looked down upon. Problem with that is then it would be to crowded to ride.
Bedlam Bikes
George Bush JR is the second greatest president in the last 50 years after Reagan, which we all know was the best president in the last 100 years.

If these disgraced ignorant hippies elect the dyke Clinton or Obama jo-mama I wonder what piece of shit will be in power after they get assinated? Because if either one of them freaks wins the white house it WILL HAPPEN. Do you think all those die hard confederate southerns will stand having a lesbo or a brotha for president?


And believe me, these pieces of ever-living shit liberal hippies will eventually ban 2-stroke engines in the state of Vermont. Its bound to happen. After they succeed at that and we're all on 4-strokes, snowmobiles will be the next goal on their agenda when those faggots continually get aggravated with is when they are snow shoeing and cross-country skiing on SNOWMOBILE trails!!
tunaman
with McCain being the gop nominee the lurch to the left will be complete. government will stick their nose into every damn thing we do and it will just get worse and worse then next ten years
catrrider600
TAKE BACK VERMONT

Ha. I thougth this shit only happened down here in fagachusetts.

Get yourselves ready for the next civil war, boys. It's not a matter of "if", but a matter of "when". I feel it getting closer every day. Of course the pinkos will be defensless cuz they don't believe in guns!! LOL

I know a few (quite a few actually) of those hairy leg urbanite filthy shemales and a bunch of limp wristed rump rangin' tomboys who'll be in my crosshairs once things get under way.

Liberalism is a mental disorder. The only cure is death.
CampD
TAKE BACK VERMONT
This slogin has been around since Dean was in office. Most out of staters didn't understand what it ment, but its becoming clearer every day.
doug1991
QUOTE(catrrider600 @ Jan 30 2008, 02:35 PM) *
TAKE BACK VERMONT

Ha. I thougth this shit only happened down here in fagachusetts.

Get yourselves ready for the next civil war, boys. It's not a matter of "if", but a matter of "when". I feel it getting closer every day. Of course the pinkos will be defensless cuz they don't believe in guns!! LOL

I know a few (quite a few actually) of those hairy leg urbanite filthy shemales and a bunch of limp wristed rump rangin' tomboys who'll be in my crosshairs once things get under way.

Liberalism is a mental disorder. The only cure is death.


I couldnt agree more!!!!
Bedlam Bikes
QUOTE(catrrider600 @ Jan 30 2008, 02:35 PM) *
TAKE BACK VERMONT

Ha. I thougth this shit only happened down here in fagachusetts.

Get yourselves ready for the next civil war, boys. It's not a matter of "if", but a matter of "when". I feel it getting closer every day. Of course the pinkos will be defensless cuz they don't believe in guns!! LOL

I know a few (quite a few actually) of those hairy leg urbanite filthy shemales and a bunch of limp wristed rump rangin' tomboys who'll be in my crosshairs once things get under way.

Liberalism is a mental disorder. The only cure is death by means of brutal torture!


Fixed! boxing1.gif
Jim85IROC
I'd like to hope that education is the cure, but most of them seem to be far too thick to be educated. trau14.gif
tirolskier
QUOTE(serbiesnow @ Jan 30 2008, 12:03 PM) *
Ive been saying this for years now,..the state has hit a new low,..Vermont plates on my truck used to be responded to with a bit of jelousy from those in other states, now Im embarrassed to have them on sometimes. Vermont is FUCKED UP because of out of state liberals, weak minded assholes who have ruined a great state. I hate all of them Flatlander liberals)to my inner core!!! They are NOT allowed on my land if I know of them! (all thsi nonsense coming from a town that allows you to walk down mainstreet completely naked, what a bunch of flippin asswipe morons!!!)



Serbiesnow- You've spoken favorably about the riding in the NEK and, in particular, your home in Lunenburg in past posts. I happen to be a "flatlander" who also happens to be a liberal. I also love snowmobiling, so I'm an odd bird. However, I am able to satisfy both sides of my passions. I think Bush is a moron and has done nothing positive for our country during the years he has been in office, but I would still sit down and be friendly to a conservative. Your post seems to imply that you wouldn't even want to associate with me because of my political leanings even though I'm a good guy who loves snowmobiling. Like you, I believe that the folks in Brattleboro have signed a ridiculous petition but to blanketly make a statement that suggests you would "hate [me] to your inner core and would not allow me on your land" sounds a bit extreme. My best friend is a die hard conservative and I think he is crazy for holding such views; likewise, he thinks I'm an idiot too. To make a long post even longer, I just think it's bad practice to lump all liberals into a single group. I would imagine your post was made in the heat of the moment, but I felt the need to express my views. Pray for snow.
serbiesnow
QUOTE(tirolskier @ Jan 30 2008, 04:15 PM) *
Serbiesnow- You've spoken favorably about the riding in the NEK and, in particular, your home in Lunenburg in past posts. I happen to be a "flatlander" who also happens to be a liberal. I also love snowmobiling, so I'm an odd bird. However, I am able to satisfy both sides of my passions. I think Bush is a moron and has done nothing positive for our country during the years he has been in office, but I would still sit down and be friendly to a conservative. Your post seems to imply that you wouldn't even want to associate with me because of my political leanings even though I'm a good guy who loves snowmobiling. Like you, I believe that the folks in Brattleboro have signed a ridiculous petition but to blanketly make a statement that suggests you would "hate [me] to your inner core and would not allow me on your land" sounds a bit extreme. My best friend is a die hard conservative and I think he is crazy for holding such views; likewise, he thinks I'm an idiot too. To make a long post even longer, I just think it's bad practice to lump all liberals into a single group. I would imagine your post was made in the heat of the moment, but I felt the need to express my views. Pray for snow.

Well, we agree that Bush is a moron,..I was gullible enough to vote for him twice, although there really wasnt an alternative as I saw it, same deal with the next election, either way, we will loose. I do not plan on voting this time because I just dont care anymore, this country is going to shit, and no one can stop it, and no oneseems to care, so I will concentrate on MY situation, (Im not going to tell anyone what that means). Yes, it was a heated moment, but I do not like liberals, they are ruining this country, I guess if politics were never spoken, I could get along with almost anyone, Unfortunatly, with my taxes going up every year because of liberal spending, I DO have a ligit gripe with them, your right,...we need more snow so I can get back on the trails and forget those morons who are ruining this country. Then when the snow melts, I go back to work to pay taxes for illegals and welfare recipients,..great.
skifreek
QUOTE(serbiesnow @ Jan 30 2008, 05:42 PM) *
, I go back to work to pay taxes for illegals and welfare recipients,..great.



but, but, dey aren illegales mang. dey cum hear 2 make a libing 4 theyare shildren hoo dey kep bak in mejico. dey haev rites, jus liek joo an me, and dey haev hardchips tooo joo kno?? dey have to sacarifice eberyting 2 com hear and not get deeported by marchalls so dey famileez ken surbibe anoder day. 4 dem to pay taxz is taekin moar monies dan the fiteen dolar a day dey maek, joo know??? anygways, joo mus be prejudic 2 say dat cuz we aer pepol tooo!!!!! bote hilary or obama 4 nezt elecshun!!!!


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Heffy_VT
Forget politics - lets go riding!!!
jacqueline
QUOTE(skifreek @ Jan 30 2008, 05:02 PM) *
but, but, dey aren illegales mang. dey cum hear 2 make a libing 4 theyare shildren hoo dey kep bak in mejico. dey haev rites, jus liek joo an me, and dey haev hardchips tooo joo kno?? dey have to sacarifice eberyting 2 com hear and not get deeported by marchalls so dey famileez ken surbibe anoder day. 4 dem to pay taxz is taekin moar monies dan the fiteen dolar a day dey maek, joo know??? anygways, joo mus be prejudic 2 say dat cuz we aer pepol tooo!!!!! bote hilary or obama 4 nezt elecshun!!!!
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RIGHT ON!
And vermont is a beautiful people, who cares what the people in Brattleborro are doing! Enjoy the snow not the politics!!
tonyvt
Brattleboro is in Vermont? I thought it was in Massachusetts. ylsuper.gif
offthetrail
QUOTE(tonyvt @ Jan 30 2008, 07:40 PM) *
Brattleboro is in Vermont? I thought it was in Massachusetts. ylsuper.gif


....Jesus Christ...a surveyor makes a simple mistake 200 years ago.... and look what happens to our Snowmobile forum??? There must be better places to for these topics! So big deal if some 'flakes' circulate a petition(s), makes the whole state more interesting. Bottom line is THIS IS A SLEDHEAD FORUM!!!!!! and the IMMEDIATE CONCERN.... OF MOST IMPORTANCE IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE LITTLE SNOW and a DISMAL FORECAST for the next seven days!!!!!


.....so why don't you all join in your efforts (rednecks,liberals,Dems., Rep.,Indp.,straights, gays and all those who favor beasts) and PRAY FOR SNOW!!!!


Hey Tony!!!! I found my way to HUNTINGTON MTN.!!!! Thanks, I owe you a cool one...


nowa
We dont want it either Tony, We've got enough of our own wacko's!!! LOL
tirolskier
QUOTE(Heffy_VT @ Jan 30 2008, 06:41 PM) *
Forget politics - lets go riding!!!



amen to that.
ThugHillHell
i used to stop in Brattleboro for gas and food, now I just take the short cut around down town. I'll never spend another penny in that town.
snojockey
What really FUCKING makes me mad is this group from Brattlboro is the same waste of flesh that didn't support the United States of America when our military went into Afghanistan...It's the same FUCKING group of scum that organized No War marches at colleges like Wesleyan Univeristy...It made me absolutely sick to my stomach.....I knew some brave men who fought in Afganistan and let me tell you it was hard fighting.These same guys came back from their deployment and they will never be the same.They laid it on the line so the scum in Brattleboro can continue to live in a free Democratic society which allows free speech!!!!!!!!!! We had over 2000 people killed in the Twin Towers,Pentagon,Flight over Penn........DONT FORGET IT BRATTLEBORO!!!!!!!!!!!!
sx500
QUOTE(Bedlam Bikes @ Jan 30 2008, 12:59 PM) *
George Bush JR is the second greatest president in the last 50 years after Reagan, which we all know was the best president in the last 100 years.

If these disgraced ignorant hippies elect the dyke Clinton or Obama jo-mama I wonder what piece of shit will be in power after they get assinated? Because if either one of them freaks wins the white house it WILL HAPPEN. Do you think all those die hard confederate southerns will stand having a lesbo or a brotha for president?
And believe me, these pieces of ever-living shit liberal hippies will evble entually ban 2-stroke engines in the state of Vermont. Its bound to happen. After they succeed at that and we're all on 4-strokes, snowmobiles will be the next goal on their agenda when those faggots continually get aggravated with is when they are snow shoeing and cross-country skiing on SNOWMOBILE trails!!

I thought I was the only one who thought Bush was the second best president...
Peolpe think im crazy when I say he'll probaly get the Noble Piece Prize 10-20 years from now, but then again.....those people who vote are all libs too...
snojockey
.....and one more thing,if those SICK FUCKS are so unhappy with the way the U.S.A operates..then move the hell out and find a nice impoverished nation like India,Pakistan,Iran,Serbia,Belize ect.....and don't forget your Birkenstock sandals!...my rant is officially over.
Bedlam Bikes
QUOTE(sx500 @ Jan 30 2008, 09:51 PM) *
I thought I was the only one who thought Bush was the second best president...
Peolpe think im crazy when I say he'll probaly get the Noble Piece Prize 10-20 years from now, but then again.....those people who vote are all libs too...


I agree completely. When Reagans term was over, fruitcake liberals couldn't stand him either. Now Reagan holds a LOT of credibility amongst most Americans.

And it makes me sick when ignorant statements are made that Bush hasn't accomplished ANYTHING since becoming elected 7 years ago.

#1 - He ousted the second most evil dictator in WORLD FUCKING HISTORY out of power and had him put to death!!
#2 - There has not been one single terrorist attack on US soil in over 7 YEARS. That is the longest stretch without incident in over 60 YEARS.

Pray for snow....that is if praying doesn't offend anyone.... rolleyes.gif
tirolskier
QUOTE(snojockey @ Jan 30 2008, 09:11 PM) *
What really FUCKING makes me mad is this group from Brattlboro is the same waste of flesh that didn't support the United States of America when our military went into Afghanistan...It's the same FUCKING group of scum that organized No War marches at colleges like Wesleyan Univeristy...It made me absolutely sick to my stomach.....I knew some brave men who fought in Afganistan and let me tell you it was hard fighting.These same guys came back from their deployment and they will never be the same.They laid it on the line so the scum in Brattleboro can continue to live in a free Democratic society which allows free speech!!!!!!!!!! We had over 2000 people killed in the Twin Towers,Pentagon,Flight over Penn........DONT FORGET IT BRATTLEBORO!!!!!!!!!!!!



This is a snowmobiling forum, and politics shouldn't enter the fray at all, but I feel I need to respond to this attitude that liberals don't care if American men and women fighting overseas die in combat. Liberals that march are protesting that we shouldn't be at war AT ALL! Both liberals and conservatives believe that America has its own problems right here on our native soil, but when liberals protest war, they are not saying that they don't care about American lives. As a liberal, I want our soldiers home. We don't belong at war. We are the greatest country on earth and we don't need to flex our muscles by waging a fruitless war. My attitude does not mean that I don't give a crap about the welfare of the United States soldiers.

There have been some posts on this thread that are, quite frankly, disturbing to read. Clinton a dike? Obama a brother? Liberal bastards must die? These attitudes show our ignorance; we are all more educated than this! Fine if you don't like Clinton, but to call her a dike is pure ignorance. Like I said, I'm a liberal, yet I'm not too fond of Clinton either, but I would express my dislike for her politics, rhetoric, or views on x,y, or z rather than resort to calling her a "dike."

Just my two cents...
tirolskier
QUOTE(tirolskier @ Jan 30 2008, 10:55 PM) *
This is a snowmobiling forum, and politics shouldn't enter the fray at all, but I feel I need to respond to this attitude that liberals don't care if American men and women fighting overseas die in combat. Liberals that march are protesting that we shouldn't be at war AT ALL! Both liberals and conservatives believe that America has its own problems right here on our native soil, but when liberals protest war, they are not saying that they don't care about American lives. As a liberal, I want our soldiers home. We don't belong at war. We are the greatest country on earth and we don't need to flex our muscles by waging a fruitless war. My attitude does not mean that I don't give a crap about the welfare of the United States soldiers.

There have been some posts on this thread that are, quite frankly, disturbing to read. Clinton a dike? Obama a brother? Liberal bastards must die? These attitudes show our ignorance; we are all more educated than this! Fine if you don't like Clinton, but to call her a dike is pure ignorance. Like I said, I'm a liberal, yet I'm not too fond of Clinton either, but I would express my dislike for her politics, rhetoric, or views on x,y, or z rather than resort to calling her a "dike."

Just my two cents...



and just for the record, I DON"T agree with the Brattleboro group's petition; frankly I think it is embarrassing.
snojockey
QUOTE(tirolskier @ Jan 30 2008, 10:55 PM) *
This is a snowmobiling forum, and politics shouldn't enter the fray at all, but I feel I need to respond to this attitude that liberals don't care if American men and women fighting overseas die in combat. Liberals that march are protesting that we shouldn't be at war AT ALL! Both liberals and conservatives believe that America has its own problems right here on our native soil, but when liberals protest war, they are not saying that they don't care about American lives. As a liberal, I want our soldiers home. We don't belong at war. We are the greatest country on earth and we don't need to flex our muscles by waging a fruitless war. My attitude does not mean that I don't give a crap about the welfare of the United States soldiers.

There have been some posts on this thread that are, quite frankly, disturbing to read. Clinton a dike? Obama a brother? Liberal bastards must die? These attitudes show our ignorance; we are all more educated than this! Fine if you don't like Clinton, but to call her a dike is pure ignorance. Like I said, I'm a liberal, yet I'm not too fond of Clinton either, but I would express my dislike for her politics, rhetoric, or views on x,y, or z rather than resort to calling her a "dike."

Just my two cents...


O.K.....so the United States of America should not have gone to war in Afganistan?.A more thoughtful and less violent approach for th president should have been to simply ask "Osama please don't fly anymore planes into our buildings you could hurt somebody"....NOT!..Terrorists...my friend do not understand or respect the power of a pen etc.In order to speak their language force must meet force and bombs must fall.....So the next time there is a terrorist threat on U.S soil,I want you to shout to the evil in the world that we are greatest country on earth!.I'm sure that will deter them.
doug1991
tirolskier, You are probably one of the few Libs that have a brain. Lets be honest. 99% of the liberals are complete morons that are week minded and cant think for themselves so they Join this Anti American movment. They take what this country gives them for granted because they think its their right not realizing that the reason they have their rights is because of our military.

i dont agree with saying we dont belong at war. If we didnt do anything after the sept 11 attacks how do you think the families of the victims would feel? Bush was put in a difficult situation. If he didnt go to war he would be accusted of being soft and a weak leader. He didnt have a choice but i for one KNOW he made the right choice.

BTW this is a Snowmobiling forum so why dont they eliminate the current events section? Its nothing but a USA, and Bush bashing section anyway. Some of the people in there are pathetic and a waste of human life anyway.
sael
Interesting that most everyone responding to this is from out-of-state. Why don't you take care of your own business before attacking others? Same ol shit you buy in because VT is better then you want it just like home. This somewhat meaningless vote just guarantees that those two assholes who have never visited VT never will. I'm heading out now to buy new carbides and to see if there is any snow, I'm hoping for liberal amounts, conservative doesn't cut it here.
Camp Rider
Politics does belong on the forum. Remember this......the people you are making reference to here are the same ones who desire to embrace the Conte Refuge in the NEK and give it back to Mother Nature.
catrrider600
O.k. It's a snowmobile forum, and we should stick to snowmobiling discussion. This thread was started out of frustration I'm sure. It's funny that once a left leaning person is struck by reality, they become more conservative.

Just remember, a vote for a dumocrat is a vote against snowmobiling. Think I'm kidding?? Sure there might be one or two local lefties who support it, but the left's agenda is definitely anti snowmobile. That's a fact.

And if you don't vote, you'll be handing the White House over to the dark side.

At this point, it looks like McCain will be nominated, so even if you don't agree with his positions, get out and vote for the party.

And by the way, I may live out of your state, but my family was originally from VT (Danville). The money is better down here, thats all.
CampD
Does anybody remember besides me that 1 of Al Gore's platforms was to close all federal forest land to all vehicles and only let hikers use them.
So thanks to Bush we are still able to snowmobile in places Like Yellowstone, Silvio Conti (aka Island pond) and the green and white mountian forest's (aka Woodford).
So people's of HCS forums should fill out the questioner in this months VAST for Silvio conti wildlife refuge.
Just my 2 cents!
Pray for snow
D
nailset47
QUOTE(sael @ Jan 31 2008, 06:57 AM) *
Interesting that most everyone responding to this is from out-of-state. Why don't you take care of your own business before attacking others? Same ol shit you buy in because VT is better then you want it just like home. This somewhat meaningless vote just guarantees that those two assholes who have never visited VT never will. I'm heading out now to buy new carbides and to see if there is any snow, I'm hoping for liberal amounts, conservative doesn't cut it here.

I voted for Bush and I'm glad I did.
The key word is "voted".
That's where you need to make the biggest statement. We all have a view on life that differs from the next guy.
I think the world is a better place without Saddam and that wasn't Clinton. He was too busy leaving stains on blue dresses. If Hillary forgave him for that, how strong will she be when we need her. Will she allow us to be used too?
Obama? OH BOY!!! Experience? He's a freshman Senator!!!
Terrorists thrive on diplomacy. It gives them time to create more havoc. Killing innocent people is a time consuming business. Well, protecting innocent people isn't always a clean business, but it has to be done.
We have the freedom to protest, but at a soldier's funeral? The Honor Guard needs to use live ammo and put it to good use.
The biggest thing is for this country to practice it's freedoms in November. Talk is cheap. VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!!


skifreek
QUOTE(catrrider600 @ Jan 31 2008, 08:32 AM) *
At this point, it looks like McCain will be nominated, so even if you don't agree with his positions, get out and vote for the party.


best post of this thread, by far. i wonder how many dems on this board would start bitching and moaning once 'their' snowmobiling privileges got taken away?? i'm sure they wouldn't mind cross country skiing in 4-6 foot snow drifts on what once used to be vast trails.
tirolskier
QUOTE(skifreek @ Jan 31 2008, 12:18 PM) *
best post of this thread, by far. i wonder how many dems on this board would start bitching and moaning once 'their' snowmobiling privileges got taken away?? i'm sure they wouldn't mind cross country skiing in 4-6 foot snow drifts on what once used to be vast trails.



It seems like there is a way to enjoy snowmobiling regardless of who sleeps in the White House. Yea, I'm a Democrat who cares for the environment; but before you go about bashing me or my views, let me remind you that we all, in one way or another, care for the environment. Just a few weeks ago we all posted on a thread dealing with littering: beer cans, cigarette butts, whatever. We ALL said that it is wrong and felt responsible for keeping our trails clean. The long and short of it is, we all care for the environment whether you are a Republican or a Democrat. Don't we all enjoy those trails that afford us great views? Don't we like stumbling on to a moose and her calf as we ride by? Of course we do.

In an effort to further my responsibility to the environment, I drive a four-stroke sled. I put oil in the engine once per year. It is a quiet sled. I'm emitting less fumes into the air. I get 25 miles to a gallon. Yea, it doesn't have the power to hit 90 on a lake, but I don't need that. The way I see it, a nasty two stroke engine that gets 9 miles to a gallon and burns oil like crazy IS a form of littering. I know I'm one of the few outspoken Democrats on this board, and I don't mind my position. I generally don't agree with conservative views, but I don't bash anyone for holding such views.

Like I said in an earlier post: I don't agree with the petition in Brattleboro, but I wouldn't boycott the town based on the actions of a few people.
doug1991
QUOTE(tirolskier @ Jan 31 2008, 12:35 PM) *
It seems like there is a way to enjoy snowmobiling regardless of who sleeps in the White House. Yea, I'm a Democrat who cares for the environment; but before you go about bashing me or my views, let me remind you that we all, in one way or another, care for the environment. Just a few weeks ago we all posted on a thread dealing with littering: beer cans, cigarette butts, whatever. We ALL said that it is wrong and felt responsible for keeping our trails clean. The long and short of it is, we all care for the environment whether you are a Republican or a Democrat. Don't we all enjoy those trails that afford us great views? Don't we like stumbling on to a moose and her calf as we ride by? Of course we do.

In an effort to further my responsibility to the environment, I drive a four-stroke sled. I put oil in the engine once per year. It is a quiet sled. I'm emitting less fumes into the air. I get 25 miles to a gallon. Yea, it doesn't have the power to hit 90 on a lake, but I don't need that. The way I see it, a nasty two stroke engine that gets 9 miles to a gallon and burns oil like crazy IS a form of littering. I know I'm one of the few outspoken Democrats on this board, and I don't mind my position. I generally don't agree with conservative views, but I don't bash anyone for holding such views.

Like I said in an earlier post: I don't agree with the petition in Brattleboro, but I wouldn't boycott the town based on the actions of a few people.


Just so you know there are 2 strokes out there that get much better than 9 miles per gallon and some emit less crap than the car you drive. the technology has changed dramatically.
skifreek
QUOTE(tirolskier @ Jan 31 2008, 12:35 PM) *
It seems like there is a way to enjoy snowmobiling regardless of who sleeps in the White House. Yea, I'm a Democrat who cares for the environment; but before you go about bashing me or my views, let me remind you that we all, in one way or another, care for the environment. Just a few weeks ago we all posted on a thread dealing with littering: beer cans, cigarette butts, whatever. We ALL said that it is wrong and felt responsible for keeping our trails clean. The long and short of it is, we all care for the environment whether you are a Republican or a Democrat. Don't we all enjoy those trails that afford us great views? Don't we like stumbling on to a moose and her calf as we ride by? Of course we do.

In an effort to further my responsibility to the environment, I drive a four-stroke sled. I put oil in the engine once per year. It is a quiet sled. I'm emitting less fumes into the air. I get 25 miles to a gallon. Yea, it doesn't have the power to hit 90 on a lake, but I don't need that. The way I see it, a nasty two stroke engine that gets 9 miles to a gallon and burns oil like crazy IS a form of littering. I know I'm one of the few outspoken Democrats on this board, and I don't mind my position. I generally don't agree with conservative views, but I don't bash anyone for holding such views.

Like I said in an earlier post: I don't agree with the petition in Brattleboro, but I wouldn't boycott the town based on the actions of a few people.





So you think the assholes in congress are going to know the difference between a 4 stroke snowmobile and a 2 stroke sled ??Get real. If they ban snowmobiling, that means you and your 50 mpg sled will be off those trails too. Are they gonna exempt you because you 'litter less' than someone else?? No, you are still 'littering' the air. That's the point trying to be made here.




serbiesnow
QUOTE(doug1991 @ Jan 31 2008, 12:52 PM) *
Just so you know there are 2 strokes out there that get much better than 9 miles per gallon and some emit less crap than the car you drive. the technology has changed dramatically.

Just heard through the grapevine that BRP is introdicing the E-TEK engine in the new sleds, for anyone who doesnt know, this is a cleaner burning 2 stroke than any 4 stroke on the planet, it actually uses NO oil at idle, it will be interesting to see this develop, if its anything as good as their E-TEK outboards, the other 3 manufactureres are in for some rough times trying to sell their junk. ANd yes, Libs want snowmobiling banned, not restricted, wouldnt matter if you had a goat pulling it, it wont be allowed on public land if they have their way.
skifreek
QUOTE(tirolskier @ Jan 30 2008, 10:55 PM) *
This is a snowmobiling forum, and politics shouldn't enter the fray at all, but I feel I need to respond to this attitude that liberals don't care if American men and women fighting overseas die in combat. Liberals that march are protesting that we shouldn't be at war AT ALL! Both liberals and conservatives believe that America has its own problems right here on our native soil, but when liberals protest war, they are not saying that they don't care about American lives. As a liberal, I want our soldiers home. We don't belong at war. We are the greatest country on earth and we don't need to flex our muscles by waging a fruitless war. My attitude does not mean that I don't give a crap about the welfare of the United States soldiers.



Just came across this Very interesting snippet... anyone else see something weird in this??


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"MILITARY DEATHS FOR THE PAST TWENTY YEARs
These are some rather eye-opening facts: Since the start of the war on terror in Iraq and Afghanistan , the sacrifice has been enormous. In the time period from the invasion of Iraq in March 2003 through now, we have lost over 3000 military personnel to enemy action and accidents. As tragic as the loss of any member of the US Armed Forces is, consider thef ollowing statistics: The annual fatalities of military members while actively serving in the armed forces from 1980 through 2006:
>>1980 .......... 2,392
>>1981 .......... 2,380
>>1984 .......... 1,999
>>1988 .......... 1,819
>>1989 .......... 1,636
>>1990 .......... 1,508
>>1991 .......... 1,787
>>1992
..........1,293 ---------------------------------------------------
>>1993 .......... 1,213
>>1994 .......... 1,075
>>1995 .......... 2,465
>>1996 .......... 2,318 Clinton years @13,417 deaths
>>1997 .......... 817
>>1998 .......... 2,252
>>1999
..........1,984 ------------------------------------------------------
>>2000 .......... 1,983
>>2001 .......... 890
>>2002 .......... 1,007
>>2003 .......... 1,410 7 BUSH years @ 9,016 deaths
>>2004 .......... 1,887
>>2005 .......... 919
>>2006........... 920

If you are confused when you look at these figures...so was I. Do these figures mean that the loss from the two latest conflicts in the Middle East are LESS than the loss of military personnel during Mr.Clinton's presidency; when America wasn't even involved in a war? And,I was even more confused; when I read that in 1980, during the reign of President (Nobel Peace Prize) Jimmy Carter, there were 2,392 US military fatalities! These figures indicate that many of our Media & Politicians will pick and choose. They present only those 'facts' which support their agenda-driven reporting. Why do so many of them march in lock-step totwist the truth. Where do so many of them get their marching-orders for their agenda? Our Mainstream Print and TV media, and many Politicians like to slant;that these brave men and women, who are losing their lives in Iraq, aremostly minorities! Wrong AGAIN--- just one more media lie! The latest census, of Americans, shows the following distribution of American citizens, by Race:
>>European descent (White) .....................69.12%
>>Hispanic .....................................12.5%
>>Black......................................... 12 .3%
>>Asian......................................... 3.7%
>>Native American............................... 1.0%
>>Other ........................................ 2.6%

Now... here are the fatalities by Race; over the past three years inIraqi Freedom:
>>European descent (white) .....................74.31%
>>Hispanic .....................................10.74%
>>Black ........................................ 9.67%
>>Asian ........................................ 1.81%
>>Native American .............................. 1.09%
>>Other ........................................ 0.33%

You do the Math! These figures don't lie... but, Media-liars figure...and they sway public opinion! (These statistics are publishedby Congressional Research Service, and they may be confirmed by any one at:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf

Now ask yourself these two questions: 'Why does the mainstream Print and TV Media never print statistics like these?' and 'Why do the mainstream media hate the web as much as they do?'




things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmm
skifreek
checked a few facts, and the actual numbers vary, but not by much, this is from the personnel department for the Department of Defense
http://siadapp.dmdc.osd.mil/personnel/CASU...Death_Rates.pdf

Bedlam Bikes
QUOTE(tirolskier @ Jan 31 2008, 12:35 PM) *
Don't we like stumbling on to a moose and her calf as we ride by? Of course we do.


Did you ever consider how the moose feel about this? I'm sure they'd prefer if you didn't ride by at all. You are most definitely invading their territory and forcing them to breath in what they feel is unnessary polution. Forcing the loud sounds and sights of human engineering is certainly demeaning to their self esteem while they live in their natural habitat. I am offended by your actions. rolleyes.gif stirthepot.gif


QUOTE
In an effort to further my responsibility to the environment, I drive a four-stroke sled. I put oil in the engine once per year. It is a quiet sled. I'm emitting less fumes into the air. I get 25 miles to a gallon. Yea, it doesn't have the power to hit 90 on a lake, but I don't need that. The way I see it, a nasty two stroke engine that gets 9 miles to a gallon and burns oil like crazy IS a form of littering..


The only dowside to this is your obese 625 LB snowmobile probably reduces your tow vehicle's gas mileage by 3 gallons per mile - thus equalling the gas mileage of todays modern fuel injected 2 strokes.
Bedlam Bikes
Skifreek - the liberal media purposely skews facts to dimish the factual strength of US credibiliy in an attempt to position themselves for democratic victories in umpcoming elections.

Just like the "inbound recession" we are supposedly in grave danger of falling victim to. We are NOT currently heading into a recession!!
tirolskier
QUOTE(Bedlam Bikes @ Jan 31 2008, 02:46 PM) *
The only dowside to this is your obese 625 LB snowmobile probably reduces your tow vehicle's gas mileage by 3 gallons per mile - thus equalling the gas mileage of todays modern fuel injected 2 strokes.



I see you are practicing your humor Bedlam Bikes, but actually I keep my sled right on the trail and therefore don't trailer it anywhere. In fact, I don't own a truck at all, and my car gets 28 MPG. Don't berate me for trying my best to lessen my impact on the environment. I can't help it if you don't see things the way I do.
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