Helping a buddy (profstrong, member here)stud his track today we discovered around 50 of the 144 studs he received were either the wrong size, but varying in length or had no carbide insert in them....anybody have any issues with ATS or Royal like this? I've always bought woody g-diggers and haven't seen this before..Looks to me like poor quality control but ????

I will NEVER buy carbide tipped studs again, I put 144 in my sled, within 2 seasons 90% of the tips we're gone, and I bairly even get on the roads. After my first weekend out I got maybe 30 exchanged at Royal and after that gave up.

What kind ?

x2 I've never had a problem with woody's( but i don't don't pound through rock piles either)

They weren't woody's, or Stud Boy (shit I forget what they we're called) I just looked in the Royal book, and they don't have them anymore. They don't even list anymore carbide tipped studs, I guess I'm not the only one who had problems.

Golddiggers all the way

Sounds like poor QA from Royal

I love Woodys studs

I have a 144 woodys goldiggers with over 3000 miles on them. No broken,bent or tearouts. Tips still sharp. Dont spin on dry pavement seems to be key. Very impressed.

THESE STUDS WERE ATS! (in case there is confusion)

ATS = Kimpex

aaaahhhhhh! never was a fan of kimpex

No, I understood basically a person gets what they pay for .

I don't mind Kimpex but some of there products have been questionnable in the past

Actually ,Royal Reccomended them saying they were par with woody's(this guy doesn't mind payiong for Quality ,afterall he rides a YAMAHA)

If you've noticed we've drop'd all cheap trail studs. Not that any of our vendors were providing poor or cheap quality products (like listed above), but it was more of an over-all pricing per product decision. Since then we've dropped our price on both WOODY'S and STUD BOY to help our clients get into better quality studs overall.

Anyone looking for $1.00 studs including backers can go buy from EBAY - we're more interested in helping the more serious client who is willing to pay a great price for a far superior product

IMHO The best studs are the old saber warthogs, which are now Accord Racing. These were the original biggest ,fattest,strongest studs you can get when the deeper lug tracks started showing up.

and.... buying from ebay doesn't have anything to do with not getting quality. We all know woodys gives the dealer the best profit.....I bet stud-boy comes in second.
E-bay gives the 'client' what he wants. Fair pricing for all his needs.

If it's warthogs you're wanting we could provide those to you at eceptional pricing , keeping your dollars off EBAY and putting it in site supporting businesses here in Ontario.

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in any of these sizes

.875
1.00
1.075
1.175
1.25
1.38
1.50
1.70
1.87

I just took 144 of those junk warthogs out of my 900. Even with tall nuts the stud either bent or the carbide ripped out of the stud. I'm not trying to bash just telling my experience. These studs had 3 small runs on hard pack and they were shot. the backers were all starting to curl up, not impressed. The woody mega-bites I put in to replace them still look like new after 600 miles.

Good Point BigBloc - our site recommendation ( at least for FIRECATS and F-Series ) are still the Mega Bites with angled Backers

Cheers

ATS fast track II, were great. We had three sleds with 14,000 miles combined, no issues. Last time I checked price is now on par with the golddiggers. No isses with the woodies either, have 7000 miles on this set.
MY expererance with the warthogs was not great, was 4 years back, had 244 and badly bent over half in a season.

You gotter man, those angle backers just flat out work. I never used them with the warthogs i just replaced and my sled wouldn't hook at all, where b4 with my old stud package(144 mega-bites,med tall nuts and angled backers) she would hook like crazy. Mega-bites angle backers = hooking my 900 up.

after endless testing ( we actually studded one firecat 7 times ) we found that for the 13.5" track the squared off edges of the Mega Bites ( given they were long enough ) would provide the most forward thrust. We also recommend our clients to try and take the time to line up all the edges across each track bar so to provide a flat shovelling effect.

takes time but it was also proven in the field to provided excellent results

we also recommend the lightweight aluminum 7 degree angled backers with the Mega Bites and the lightweight aluminum flat backers for the GOLDDIGGERS

hope this helps

Based on my experience....................Woody's Golddiggers combined with their large round washers is an unbeatable combination. Regardless of mileage I've yet to have a tear out even in my last 3 1.25 tracks over thousands n thousands n thousands of miles.

stud tear out is usually do to improper stud installation, been sledding since I was knee high to a Beaver ( the wood chewing kind ) and have 'never' pulled a stud through a track

I'm thinking it has more to do with the driver and his actions

I guess the accord racing studs (warthogs) are not the same after all. I guess they bought the tools, name, license or whatever and starting making cheap studs....

I ran 96 warthogs 4500 miles without a pull through or bend. (600triple)

Don't agree / reply is too general. I've seen it happen due to..............

-cheap studs that bend helping the backer to cut
-square backers that have turned are prone to cutting a hole
-backers that don't properly support as they are generic crap / not engineered to work with any specific stud

I've had several tracks last well over 10K with zero damage / zero pull outs. Secret for me is a combo of
Woody's Gold diggers
Large Woody's round backers
don't over tighten when installing
Never stud the outter belts
Always use a sharp track cutter so the hole stays on the tight side
Some say to break the track in before studding, never seen a difference one way or the other
Take care in poor snow conditions / crossing roads etc
Run the track XXX loose side

notice the reply said "USUALLY"

cheers

OK, so I'm the guy jmp2204 was helping. The story is this: I called Royal a couple weeks ago to get recommendations for studs. They sell a million of them, so I thought they should know what works well and what you get for your $. I told them specifically that I would be willing to pay more for better studs, but if the less pricey ones were ok from their experience, I would take their advice. I don't put on many miles these days (too many hours working and 4 kids...), so I wasn't looking for a lifetime investment.

So, first they don't ship because they say my credit card didn't go through. After several days and several phone calls, the capable people at MasterCard told me they kept trying to enter the wrong expiry date on the card - even after I reviewed the card number and expiry with them 3 times. So we lost that weekend, finally got it sorted out, and they finally arrived last week. My buddy jmp2204 kindly offers to help me in his heated garage, and after we install a bunch, we realize there are different lengths. We ended up pulling the short ones, assuming they had mixed 0.875" with the 1" bunch, and continued installing the longer ones. But here's the catch, after some further measuring and questions on the phone with Royal today, they had actually mixed the 1" with 1.075". Woody's recommends no more than 1" on my 0.92" lug track, and these 1.075's extent at least 3/8" above the lug - which is at the very top end of the recommended length. I'd rather be a bit safer with the 1", so now I have to pull the 95 1075 studs that we installed and start all over again. The manager at Royal was decent - they're going to ship me a complete new lot, pay for shipping, and pay for the return shipping on the mixed lot - but, the wasted time because of their mistake is terrible.

Maybe I should call and tell them to stick the ATS where the sun doesn't shine and re-order the Woody's studs. I know the golddiggers are recommended by some of you, but has anyone had any experience with the Woody's Signature series studs? They're stainless 5/16", and almost a buck a piece less than golddiggers. And can they be used with a nylon backer?

Royal will tell you there is nothing wrong with them. That's what the ass wipes are trying to say to me on an idler wheel warranty claim. I can see where that problem is likely going to go!

Good luck, give 'em hell!

Not sure the miles that the used studs I got last yr but they seem to be good

Wouldn't buy anything but WOODY'S!!! 6600 miles on the same studs. Still have lots of carbide left and show very little signs of wear. Have only had to replace about 15. 144 - 1.075 60* gold diggers on a 1" track

Whats up with the Ebay thing? I think most of us support local (Ont) and site sponsors here when we are offered fair prices.On the other hand I Use Ebay for many things and with great success

sled werx where is your shop/store located?

it depends how you ride. i ride early and late in the season, lots of roads, bad trails. i break abot 3-5 studs a year, bend 2-3, tear out 1 or 2. always woodies gold digger. 1.325, aluminum washer, small nut. half of my studs (144) are ground down at the tip, 30 no carbide tip, a track last 2-3 seasons top, if i'm lucky 5000km. yes i stud the outside, never had a track fail from those studs.

pics of the studs

but has anyone had any experience with the Woody's Signature series studs? They're stainless 5/16", and almost a buck a piece less than golddiggers. And can they be used with a nylon backer?

Tried a bunch of em in a budd's ZL 500.................nothing but bend studs with missing carbides.

I used them in my 06 Fusion,they had bad chatter when going down very hard pack,
bent like crazy and I felt they stressed the track when bent so bad.I changed them
out for the golddiggers after 1000m.I tried them because of lightness and price, wasn't
worth it .

Stainless will bend