Ok, I guess I have to be honest with myself and say I am considering a Phazer. I want to try the whole 4-stroke thing without investing 10,000 in a sled I might not like. I am thinking about picking up a used 07 with very low miles (have found a few an none over 500 miles). So a GT, FX, or Standard? I want reverso so I guess the Standard is out but anyway.... What am going to have to do besides side panels and a tunnel hole cover (studs for me is a must.... is this a problem?). And I guess the most important thing is that I am comming off an a 03 F7 Sno-Pro with mods-o-plenty and a 04 F7 Standard clutched and studded. Both are great fast sleds and I know the Phazer wont touch 'em, well at least I dont think it will, but I really want to hear from someone who went from a big power two-stroke to a Phazer 4-stroke. I like Yamaha motors (in bikes) but I have never had a Yamaha sled, and have actually never even ridden one. I know there are problems (cooling fan, iceing running boards, cold starts) but I have a friend that works at a Yamaha dealer that I bought bikes and lots of parts from, they are good to me and I am sure getting updates from them would not be a problem. All that BS aside let me know what you guys think of these sleds. I cant imagine it can be all that bad and unless the F7's blow up it will not be my only sled. I ride groomed trails, shit trails, off trail, hills, very seldom on lakes (I hate ice...the water under it seems like it must be cold ), and well really any where. When I go to inlaws camp (mostly where I ride from) there are some ROUGH trailsto get to the good ones so ..... Anyway what do you think, what do I "need" to do to it, and how do you like yours. Thanks ahaed of time guys, Im looking forward to some real world reports. Anyone have one they want to let me try? Ill let you run the F7 LOL

I strongly suggest test riding one before you buy.. I test rode one and was like wtf..lol. but yet, I have freinds who have them and think they are great. everybody is different.

I just put 500 more miles on mine (07 std w/floats) this weekend, 50% off trail and 2 tracks in the eastern UP with about 8-14 inches of fresh snow. I am coming from an 01 T cat and do miss that Acceleration and top end speed, but the phazer is easy to throw around and a blast in the powder. I think that a 1.5 inch track std or 136 would really help it's off trail tracktion. I did get stuck once. Over the weekend I rode with an 04 F7 modded, 05 stock EFI and 06 stock Mach Z. On the railroad grades I just hung back and let them run ahead, but I wasn't very far back. The phazer will cruise nicely at 11000 RPM and 70+ mph, mileage was down on this trip(avg 12.5, 100miles/tank vs 18 breaking it in). Sunday morning it was -5F + windchill and only my toes were froze w/o windshield. No problems starting in the cold, I haven't checked it over yet, but the link is still in tack, I did close the rear opening in and plan on closing the front next. I did have the Temp light come on a couple of times after running powder, idling then hitting a trail, but only chipped ice out a couple of times.

I don't regret buying the phazer, it isn't a lake racer by any means and you can't really compare the two( 500 4strke to 700 2 smoke). It is a lot like riding a fouwheeler with a track under you. If you keep one of the f7's you would have the best of both worlds IMO.

Well I cant get rid of the F7 without tking a big hit, I have so much into the modded one that .... LOL. I was wondering about gas milage though and I guess from what I read its not much better than my F7's even the one with the mods. I get 12+ no problem. The throwing it around and no fuss with oil ect is waht made me think of a phazer though. I like the idea of the sled but hopefully I will get some more input on it before I buy one, actually I wont buy one if I dont.... I guess the dealer I talked about before has a demo one I can try, I called today and they said I can take it out for a "run" whatever that means. I guess Id like to have an hour on one, so when I go I will let you know what I think. Thanks for the input guys. Anyone else?

I tried a Phazer and I sold my sled the next day and bought this 08 RTX , Just ride one!

I didn't read all the messages but Igot f7 zr and other stuff. I've had a zr800 mod, machI, wildcat, and too many older than that to list. Lots of power. I "snowchecked" a phazer in spring 06, saw them in Lake Geneva at the races, ordered it with out riding it. Lov it. I'm not big, 150, 5'7", so I rip it around. Across the lake, stay upwind cuz you'll get left in the dust. In the woods and ditches which is 85% of my riding I lead or whatever I want. It's great. buy it, ride it, add it to the collection

Youd be surprised just how fast the Phazer really is, especially in the twisties. The Phazer will keep up with and in some cases beat any other sled in the twisties. Thats no lie.
It sounds to me like the RTX would suit you the best. Its build for an aggressive rider who likes to attack the bumps.
You can stud the Phazer and be just fine, Id personally go with 96 studs.
Gas milage is in the 20 mpg range.
Its not a perfect sled though. They have issues with rear suspension links breaking, handwarmers that dont get very warm and they are known for the starter shearing the teeth off of the flywheel.
Id suggest demo riding one before you buy. If you go to the local Yamaha dealer and tell them you are thinking about buying one, Im sure they would let you test drive one. The Phazer isnt a sled for everyone and Id definetly suggest trying one out before you buy.
Id also strongly consider a Polaris IQ Shift and a Doo TNT. They are in the same pricerange as a Phazer and would have much more comparable performance to your F7 (both are 120 hp). I think you might get bored with the power of the Phazer. Its a nice little sled, but its no speed demon.

Polaris is within a small relm of possibilities but a Doo... NO!, besides the Phazer is to try the whole 4 stroke thing. Thanks for all you comments though, I am slated to try a Phazer at my local dealer on Saturday and I think its a base model but it should give me a rough idea of what to expect. It seems like Phazer owners are 50/50 on the sled which is odd 'cause Firecat owners are about 90% in favor... I think thats odd but anyway.... I dont like the whole rear suspension thing either, Ill break it alot if its easy to break because thats just my luck and mechanical mercy has never been my strong point... I take care of my stuff but i also like to use it. Thanks for all the input guys, any more?

I have a phazer mtn lite that was my wifes sled last year it has all the up dates and 1000miles for $4500 PM me if your interested

My buddy has a 1999 Polaris Indy 500. He has had ZERO problems to my 30+ days in the shop. My sled had $6000 in warranty work vs $0 in repairs for him. The 2007 Phazer is a fragile, unreliable, poorly engineered machine. Unbelievebly bad for a Yamaha. I didn't buy a Phazer to have the fastest or best handling, I bought it for reliability. It has stranded me 4 times, missed 7 weekends of riding in the past 2 seasons. If it wasn't for all the Yamaha loyalist BS'ing about reliability, there might be less people buying them and being disappointed. (3 broken links, stranded, one starter/ reduction drive failure, stranded, repeated no starts below -25, Icing, overheating, reverse engagement.....) However I'm sure a least a half dozen people who only by Blue will bash me for posting the truth. Compared to other sleds (which are generally not very reliable), the Phazer is one of the worst. All the good aspects of this sled are cancelled out by the above......

Heh thats why I never buy the first year of any new type of sled. Otherwise I would be riding a Nytro right now. I ride all brands I don't really care what sled I have ,this is my first yami though so I'm not going to bash but I think we've all heard many times the problem you've had with your sledand I don't think I've read 1 positive post out of you!

Tough to be positive. I just got it back from 10 days in the shop.....rear skid for the 4th time. A 1999 indy 500 is the first year in the next gen chassis BTW.

my buddy bought a o7 phazer, and the more he rides it the more he hates it. somewhat ok in the trails, suck trying to "benchmark" on side hills, he has 750 mile on the sled and has to have the rear skid repair 3 times, hard staring when it cold, after he rode my F-7 is said "I'm really disappointed in my sled,,,,,,, know its not a power house, but thought it handle better then what it does,,, I been a yahmmmie man for ages, 4th yahamaha sled, 5 yahamaha dirt bikes, but this is nothing what to what I expeced in a sled! I'M TOTALLY DISSAPPOINTED IN THAT SLED and i dont know what i can do about it!"

ha ha ha you must ride with isthatahemi

Here is an honest answer from someone who is not partial towards any one brand. In the last 5 years I have owned 2 ski doos, an arctic cat, and my phazer. I loved all the sleds for different reasons, but I like the Phazer more than the others. I owned a 2004 F7 Sno Pro and it was fun but very tippy and the seating position is awful (I come from racing motocross so I like rider forward). The last sled I had before the Phazer was a 2004 Rev Renegade 800HO with a 144" extension and the Revs are by far the smoothest ride out there but I still like the Phazer better. To hear some of these guys say they dont handle well is crazy. Maybe they are used to coventional snowmobiles and cant adapt to the new styles the manufacturers are developing. Im pretty sure most of the rear links that are breaking are on the FX Phazers. The springs on the rear center shocks are way to stiff and Ive heard that could be the cause of the links breaking. I have a GT and have beat it to death and I have not had one single problem in 1100 miles. A few certain guys on here may have had problems but there are more good stories than bad and I believe Yamaha has taken care of these guys so far. Bottom line is when someone else makes a sled that looks more fun to me than the Phazer, Ill go buy one and try it out. Im pretty sure I am stuck on 4 strokes now so Im sure it will be another Yamaha. Go buy a leftover 2007 Phazer for like $5000 and if you dont like it, give it to your girlfriend or wife, thats what everyone says these are good for anyway.

Yah I have read your posts, your either really hard on shit really hard to please or you simply go the worst Yamaha ever made . I have owned a new Yamaha (R6) and the only thing I ever had to fix in 20000 miles on that bike is aftermarket stuff I put on it. And sleds not generally very reliable? Ummm my cat starts second pull every time, sure thay have to be maintained more than the average power toy, but rebuilding shocks, sliders, cleaning power valves, checking bolts ect ect are the norm for any sled (none of which you mentioned BTW). Just your general comment about sleds not being very reliable, well makes me think you might be tough to please. I do appreciate your input, and I bet I could find someone on the AC site that hates his/her AC as much as you hate your Yamaha. Sounds like you should trade in and move on.




I realize an F7 and a Phazer are not going to be in the same ballpark. My slightly modded F7 is pushing twice the hoarse power of a Phazer and I would not expect it to beanything close. Benchmarking on side hills is not something I would expect a Phazer to be good at, I mean .... well you know you ride an F7 its hard to ride much better and you know a Phazer isnt going as high as you are (F7's just rule IMHO). Your bud needs to set up his Phazer better, there is no way with that set up he should not beable to make that ride work for him, it just has to handle well if it is set up right ... I could be wrong but .... I hated my F7 until I got it set up right, many things you can do to get them right, he should read the manual, talk to the dealer, or just start experimenting with suggestions from this board. Thanks for your input.




F7 ... Tippy? LOL, Yes but,
Its all about the set up, my two handle like they are on rails, well ok theres a little lift on the inside whn you want it but I like 'em that way, Im not saying I got them that way on the first try but ...

Wife?
I asked my wife if she wanted one (yah she knew what i was up to) but see she rides the non modded F7 and has been riding sleds since she was 5 years old (read Kitty Kat .. braaaaapppp) and she is a very good rider, some of the boys cant keep up (you ever want to make your friends made have your wife pass them right after you did LOL or even worse BEFORE you did LOL) Anyway to make a long story short she thought it would be "neat" but was not willing to give up the power and she happens to like the half sit down / half stand up style of the F7 alot so.. no go on that one.

I appreciate all you guys giving me feedback on the Yammi, like I said before I am trying one Saturday providing the dealer dose not sell the demo, as of wed. it was still there so I will let you know what I think of it later, hell who knows maybe Ill buy it. Its a GT with hardly any miles, and I can still get the extended protection plan (which by the sounds of things might be a good idea ... just in case) for around 4200.00 plus I think 300 for the plan ... or something like that.

BTW thisis the first multi quote post I have ever made .... big friggin deal but hey I figured it out

I have low expectations of sled reliability in general. Nobody seems to expect a sled to make it more than 1000 miles without having them break. My point was I have never been stranded until last year, as I take very good care of my toys. And all the problems I've had are known Phazer issues.........
The sled has awesome power charateristics, very good fuel efficiency, and can take the moguls well. Again, if it's not reliable, it doesn't really matter. Tough to please, not really, I just don't like calling my wife every third time I ride to pick me up!!!!!

I have low expectations of sled reliability in general. Nobody seems to expect a sled to make it more than 1000 miles without having them break. My point was I have never been stranded until last year, as I take very good care of my toys. And all the problems I've had are known Phazer issues.........
The sled has awesome power charateristics, very good fuel efficiency, and can take the moguls well. Again, if it's not reliable, it doesn't really matter. Tough to please, not really, I just don't like calling my wife every third time I ride to pick me up!!!!!

I can't wait till you sell your sled wnd get back on a Indy 500 so I don't have to see your tears in here no mo!

I can't wait till you sell your sled wnd get back on a Indy 500 so I don't have to see your tears in here no mo!

Me Too!