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118 hp- 600 cc- $PECIAL Oil- OVER $9 g's USD-...u gotta be on ..some strong *@...!? Very hot.Not.

21mpg fill the oil tank once a year............sounds sweet to me........too bad its onver 9g's

sounds pretty cool, cant wait to hear how the end up running and holding up. DI, does that mean like fuel injection type deal?

I thought it would get better fuel milage than that. Isn't that what the current SDI gets?

Are o7 gsx gets very close to that. A lot of money for a 600.. Only time will tell.

How do you know what kind of oil they are using?

BLACK SIDE PANELS!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol, I heard on Doo talk, that they will have the Slate side Panels, hopefully, next year they will have the black side panels.

E-tec on a sled. Now, that has my attention. Another item that caught my attention is the price! $9549 for a snowmobile is rediculous let alone, a 600cc sled.
I like the 21 mpg, fill up the oil res. once a year, push button summerization is a novel idea. Sure hope Cat is planning for something that can match this EPA motor
package, besides the Z1 motor....

SkiDoo will ship one case of special branded DOO DI oil w/the sled. each dealer gets one sled. Current oil offerings are NOT recomended for a DI setup. (EXTREME oil/gas ratio).

Well, the 600 XPX was ten grand, so 9500 ain't so surprising. But what happend to the "value" sled the TNT was supposed to be. For that money, I hope it at least has rear suspension that actually works like it's competitors.

Sure am impressed with the two 150 etecs I have at work. Here is a copy of letter sent out.

To all SkiDoo dealers:

The rumors are true….WE ARE launching an early release model. Ski-Doo has once again set a new standard in the snowmobile industry. Introducing the new 2009 SkiDoo MXZ TNT 600 E-TEC.


Why E-tec?

- Simple System

- Minimal weight increase (415lbs)

- DQR (Durability, Quality, and Reliability)

- Same engine base as carb & SDI

- Battery less

- Same peak power as 600SDI (118hp)

- Technology is owned by BRP Inc.

- The reputation of our E-TEC outboard engines is very strong


Allocations are 1 per dealer.

I will be calling each of you today to confirm if you want one.

Here's some more info on the new model:


Model Name: 2009 MXZ TNT 600 E-tec (non-electric start)

Model #: MJ9A

MSRP: $9549

Ship Date: scheduled to arrive last week of January.


Fuel Economy: At 21 mpg US/25 mpg CDN, the 600 H.O. E-TEC uses 15% less fuel than the company’s current 600 H.O. semi-direct injection (SDI) engine, 78% less fuel than the Polaris‡ 600 CFI and 92% less than the Arctic Cat‡ 600 EFI.*


Oil Economy: Most owners will have to add oil just once per season, due to the added precision of the system’s electronic oil pump and sophisticated computer mapping. The 600 H.O. E-TEC uses half the oil of the SDI and Polaris 600 CFI, and just a third the oil (66% less) of the Arctic Cat 600 EFI. (There will be a new Di oil for this sled – each dealer will be auto-shipped 1 case soon)

Emissions / smoke and smell: The 600 H.O. E-TEC is the cleanest two-stroke snowmobile engine by a wide margin, meaning there’s virtually no smoke or smell.

Lightweight: Because of its two-stroke configuration, the 600 H.O. E-TEC is naturally lightweight, helping to improve handling and reduce rider fatigue. The MX Z TNT with 600 H.O. E-TEC weighs just 415 pounds (188 kg)….still at least 50lbs lighter than the competition!

Hassle-free ownership experience: Engines with E-TEC start on the first pull every time; run with a super smooth idle and instant response; the platinum-tipped spark plugs are warranted for three years; and features an automatic summerization function (automatic cylinder fogging…2min, and its done…all at the click of a button!)

How many miles do 'most' owners put on in a year? 1,000?

We will put that on next week alone. Many high mileage riders will be filling up the oil tank 4-5 times/year and at what price is this special oil?

Sounds like BRP.. Bring out new things for the customer to try out for you... The good news is we have a new motor for you! The bad news is we don't have any oil for you to use!!!!!!!!! BRP get your #@*&# together!!!

Shit, I'd spend 9G's on the latest and greatest, yep, don't mind being a guinea pig at all, maybe because I'm tester at work and enjoy trying to break all our machines? Bring it on BRP, I'll hose it down for ya!!

Who in there right mind would condone a 9K+ priced sled? The pricing of new sleds is out of control....That's what the mfg's have to hear. Not "oh, I'll pay whatever price you put on the sled."

brilliant.

Maybe, you should tell them you would pay them more than full retail while you're at it.

What do you test at your work? Taste tester for lead based paints...

Just yank'in your chain Scrimmer....All in fun.

Looks like an interesting sled, surprised they couldn't get any more hp out of it. I figured their next generation 600 would be in the ball park of 130hp. Wonder if they'll still offer a TNT with the current 500ss (small block 600) for '09? The close to $2k price difference would pay for a lot of gas / oil especially with the power to weight ratio not being much different.

I hear that the 500ss motor doesn't pass emissions so doo is dropping it soon

It really doesn't need to, 2010 is still a fleet average. Why not add the powertek system to the 500ss motor? This wouldn't be overly expensive and could turn this motor into a 20+mpg mill.

They're preparing I'm sure--

The fact that they're getting the same power, but meeting emissions is amazing. These sleds will sell, especially after 2010 if the EPA really cracks down. Hopefully the other manufacturers are ready...

At least we know the 2 stroke is here to stay.

I agree 100% IMO it is an amazing engine with huge potencial. powertek is a great idea

Only when I was a kid!!!!!

Actually, I test helicopters. And $9K for a 600, I paid more than that for my wifes 06 600HO SDI new, sorry, but I am crazy about snowmobiling, so yeah, I'd pay whatever it costs. Also, hopefully that would keep the morons off the trails, still too many of them out there for my liking, maybe that's why I try to go off trail more and more (legally, of course!!!).

Spark plugs that are warrantied for 3 years,sounds interesting?

Test helicopters? Heck, that is pretty damn cool! I work in the engineering field as a mechanical designer. I can totally appreciate your line of work.

I'm crazy about sledding, too! I just think the pricing is getting out of hand. That's all.

Happy trails!

The price is kinda of steep. But keep in mind that this is a limited model. Also in a couple years there will likely be tons of these models on dealer showrooms floors and the price will drop. Here in PA we have many dealers trying to move brand new 07 REV's at up to $1500 to $2500 off MSRP. If you have to have the latest and greatest right now you are going to pay. The thought of 21 MPG on a 10 gallon tank . . . 200 mile range . . . wow! Will it be as reliable as a four-stroke? Probably not.

Same price range as a Vector.......

If they're programmed similar to E-tec outboards your driving style will dictate how much oil it will use with everything including driver weight contributing. On an average boat they seem to average about 70:1 over the total spectrum ranging anywhere from about 30:1to 2-300:1.

We had the chance to play with the new 600 E-Tec at work today ... we received one yesturday and had her fired up and ready to roll today . I've only got a few words to say about it ......

XP 800 good luck .... you'll be seeing a LOT of 600 E-Tec tail lights !!!!

It's got the sound of an outboard and the snap of a rocket. You couldn't wipe the grins off the faces today .

I applaud BRP for pushing the Tecnological Envelope. They are so far ahead of everybody else, it's rediculous. By comparison, Cat is dripping gas into the throttle body with an eye dropper. The mapping of their stone age EFI is pathetic. My Cat runs like a piece of crap and there is nothing I can do about it, or Cat is willing to do about it. There just might be one of these new E-TEC's in my garage next year. Keep up the good work BRP!!

Kudos to BRP from me too! I never felt comfy on a Rev and liked the feel, suspension, and power of my Polaris, so I'm still on Polaris. Butttt, between the weight and the DI technology, Ski Doo is pushing the envelope and that is good for all of us!

Test drove a TNT 600 E DI today. Smooth engine, doesn't sound like a 2-stroke or a four stroke, has its own laid back sound. Doesn't really smoke or smell. Very nice package, love the xp platform. Went from the rev platform which killed my knees to a yamaha vector which I like very much, but the new xp platform is now very pleasurable to ride. Will be considering going back to doo for 2009.

LOL...............

I think you phrased that wrong.

What you really meant to say (because you should know what your talking about)

Thanks Ficht GmbH of Kirchseeon, Germany. Thanks for developing this Technology.
Thank you O.M.C for licensing the technology and developing it. (Polaris has license to use it too)

Good work BRP for buying the hard work of everyone else and using it. You are the greatest. You push the envelope.....
BRP also uses another 2-stroke DI system in their watercraft....but thats made by an austrailian company.....
Yamaha has their own DI system as well...

Seems like the Doo crowd has the blinders on again and think only BRP has this 'NEW" Technology....

...ah...nevermind

Man do you seem to have a chip on your shoulder (from this and other recent posts). BRP is doing the same thing that other large companies have been doing forever. To the best of my knowledge BRP is the first to utilize direct injection in their production sleds. Kudos to them for implementing something before anyone else in the industry.

Do you fault Polaris for not manufacturing 100% of their parts that they slap their name and part number on??? I would hope not since that doesn't make good business sense. Let me guess Ficht GmbH isn't making any money from their hard work and BPR license (and others).

Dig your riding tunes!

Dave Wendland

X2 on trading the 'stone age' cat efi for something really efficient!

i think this is great!!! I have had lots of experience with e-etec outboards and can't wait for this technlogy to hit the snow. The fuel economy of the outboards is unreal, performance is awsome...been looking forward to this.

Hey I'm impressed with the new XPs but when you park one next to a Vector there is no doubt which machine has more value built into it. I still can't beleive Yamaha is able to keep their prices competitive. IMO everything else is overpriced in comparison. E-Tec is a step in the right direction, kudos to Doo for adding it. Polaris and Cat better have equal technology ready to launch because that target looks like it's moving further away and not closer.

Went to the local skidoo dealer today to see about picking up the new DI for the rest of the season. Says he will sell me his demo.. Here are the issues. It looks just like a tnt... It has a one inch track. I wanted a higher windshield, forget it ! mounting bracket is back ordered for who knows how long... I would have to say that this is the worst attempt I have ever seen to introduce what could be break through technology in any industry.... I will keep my sdi and use a bit more oil and keep the 13,000plus in the bank until they get their %$#*& together!!! My 2cents.........

??? This is an early 2009 release of the 600 di IN A TNT! This isn't available in any other model currently nor was it advertised to be. What are you talking about. Most likely in 2009 it will be in all models, but we have to wait and see.

DaveW

The E-tec system is far better than the Ficht system BRP bought OMC because they needed part of that system to complete theirs. Remember it was the Ficht system that ultimatly killed OMC in the end.

The cost is high. Is it the slide of the USD versus the Canuk? I am wondering if we will be able to afford anything from out of this country before too long. Will be good for American made products, though (How am I going to afford another BMW?)

The US has a huge market and company's will try and keep their prices down to keep their shares. I don't know how BRP is planning on doing it. They have been dumping sleds to the states for years. Even with the old exchange rates you were getting good deals. They wii probably move their factories to Mexico. OUI will become SI!

HOW LONG HAS POLARIS HAD THE LICENSE? WHAT ARE THEY WAITING FOR? DO YOU WHEN BRP ACQUIRED OMC.........E-TEC WILL BE HARD TO BEAT......FUEL IS A BIG FACTOR.....

I agree sled prices are getting out of hand but do you realize the 2008 600 class yamaha vector GT retails for over $9500.00 with a carbed 4-stroke and a 3 year old sit down chassis,the yamaha is not sending me running to the bank I'll tell you that,this new engine and chassis to me is well worth the $$ compared to a yamaha vector and I'll bet a F600 SP isn't much cheaper and what does it have to offer over this sled?absolutely nothing,I say way to go ski-doo, I'm impressed and excited to see this sled and to see how they perform in real world testing next season!

Bombardier bought OMC in 2001 just before they sold off the recreation division. Polaris may have DI technology But BRP owns 100% of Ficht /E-tec tech. OMC and Ficht developed it together and when bombardier bought OMC they purchased the other 49 perfect of the technologyIt was written in the purchase agreement

POLARIS BOUGHT THE LICENSE FROM FICHT IN 1998. AS OF NOW DOES POLARIS HAVE THE LICENSE TO USE IT OR DID THEY LOSE IT WHEN BRP BOUGHT OMC?

no idea.

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$9500 is what you will pay for Cat's only 600 in the F-series! The Sno Pro 600 is all they are offering and $9500 is on the light end!