Let me guess you guys have tons of snow again, but the trial signs are still not up from last year and nobody has got off their lazy ass to groom the trails. Thank god Maine has lots of snow this year cause I don't even want to remember my NY experience from last year. I'd rather ride dirt!!!! Hopefully you NY sledders can get out of that horrible state and enjoy true snowmobiling....IN MAINE!!!!!!!

i guarantee NOBODY can keep trails in excellent shape, everyday, with the volume of people that certain areas of NY receive when other areas do not have snow. it's impossible. you groom a trail and with all the riders it's shot again within minutes.

We groom a certain section of trail every night. Why? It gets pounded to death. Even if the club groomes daily, the trail can still suck due to traffic. Sometimes, it's the temps that prevent grooming, sometimes it's $$, sometimes it's sickness, sometimes it's holidays with family.

The "lazy asses" you speak of are the reason you have a trail to ride period. Without them, no trails, none. Even if they do not groom, you DO still have the trail to ride, but it never crosses most peoples mind.....most have ZERO idea of what it takes to run a legit and involved club, much LESS obtain permissions for, build, maintain, and GROOM a club system with 40 - 100 miles..in your "spare time"...

UNCALLED FOR !!!!!!
The clubs do a great job with what they have to work with. I'm a dealer and a club member and we all work hard. We all resent remarks like that .
I'm really glad you have snow and a great system in your area , we all should have that kind of luck. However that DOES NOT give you the right to come in and bash our entire system!!!!!!!!!!
Chris Kinney

stay in maine it will be less asswholes like you on the trails!!

take your friends with you

After the $$ and time I spent trying to give your trail system a chance I can say whatever I want. I came up there last year right after the big record breaking storm. The first weekend I can completely understand that the trails wouldn't be great with the large amount of snow all at once. That being said I don't understand why there was absolutely no SIGNS in the area I was staying...ALTMAR. SO I leave my sleds up there to come back the next weekend to give a fair chance of the trail system. IT GOT WORSE!!! STILL NO SIGNS and the trails hadn't been touched by a groomer. In all seriousness, I came across a long trail with no alternative route that had the BIGGEST 5 foot whoops that I had ever seen. My sled nose was bottoming out after each one. To add to this when I came to the end of the trail there were no signs and the trail seem to just END!!! I had to flag down a car which really didn't help. I ended up riding my new sleds down the paved roads for miles just trying to get back to the camp!!!!! BS!!! So I pack up the sleds to give your state one last chance and head to Stillwater!!!! I witness a new event in snowmobiling.....THEY PLOW THE TRAILS SO SLEDDERS CAN SHARE THE TRAILS WITH CARS!!!!!!! Are you kidding me???? A quick 12 minute ride around the area and I was back throwing my sleds on the trailer!!! The process just to ride in NY is far greater than other areas...I joined 2 Clubs because I had to so I could register. Not sure if those clubs even exist by the conditions of the trials!!! Also had to get Insurance probably cause NY has bars every half mile on the trail and people are getting wasted and crashing into each other. And finally pay for the state registration. Don't get me wrong. I know that trail maintainace is very time consuming and expensive. But sledders bring MONEY and LOTS of it to the area to support all the businesses and the state. Snowmobiling is all about keeping your wallet open!!! Your state clubs should go visit the maine trail system and take some notes cause I am sure they don't get the funds like NY does to operate the suck system. Maine is half the cost and procedures to ride. However, it is clubs do recieve generous donatins from sledders like me in appreciation for their hard work on the trails. Even though all trails get beat up, you can tell the difference between NO CARE (NY) and Maintained trails that have been abused at times. You have trouble running your trail system because nobody ever gave a shit to care for them and people have gone elsewhere with their money....MONEY THAT COULD HAVE SUPPORTED YOUR CLUB!!!! Right after my nightmare last year in your state I was in Maine and ran into people from Penn. that travelled right past NY for a 8 times longer trek cause they said your sytem is aweful and they would never ride there. So my point. If the state and clubs cared and put an effort into the system you would get the money needed and then some to have a good trail system. Stop plowing the trails, not putting up signs, and trying to groom your trails maybe atleast once a month and you will see the results. Just wait till people who sled NY experience the real sport....GOOD BYE!!! If NY was the last place to ride on earth I would run my sleds on the beach and drive them straight into the ocean never to participate in the sport again!!! NEVER!!!!
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I for one have not liked tug hill (the whole lewis county thing) thats water under the bridge,probably good riding there I dont know, never been there on sled, but I got to say something"we" the ny snowmobile clubs have probably done more hard work on our trail system than you ever will or ever have It's assholes like you who post shit like that that get hard working club people "burnt out" so take your gimme, gimme, me, me I, I, dumb ass to maine and stick your sleds up your ass and choke on Lobster while your up there!! Two words for you buddie BLOW ME!!! or us

Perfect Timing. This article was published in the boston globe today. Seem as though NH and NY are very similar with regards to their trail system. PS. To the FAGOT lookinf for a blow job.......your coming on desperate times as people learn how bad NY IS!!!!! Go find some wild animal to chomp on your ......it will give you a good understanding of the feeling I had riding your so called snowmobilile trail system. During this pain take a minute to read this article so you can understand what happens to states that negelect the trails!!!! Great supportive evidence of Maine....could have been a little better if the article directly compared NY. But then again NY probably wasn't even considered a snowmobile state!!!!!! All you local defenders can keep on rockin your 1975 phazers as it is obvious you are seeing very little of your product with limited mobility. Enjoy, and with any brains Maine may be your next stop!!!



http://www.boston.com/sports/other_sports/...ail_to_a_friend

It comes down to who's in the trail club. But if the trails are open, it's the club guys who made it so.

And NH is way better than you give it credit for. We have recieved nothing but 100% support for our club. I was taken to court over a trail i was building for my club.. and the NH AG's office stepped in as a co defendant. Guess who won the superior court case? We have a new Tucker, a new mogul master, and 600 hours allotted to groom this winter. We've built over 40 new bridges, and spent well over 70K on re-routes in the last 5 years.
I groomed for 6 hours last night. How many hours did you groom?

Look!!! This is something you have never seen before in NY!!!! In response did I groom last night???? No, but I am going sledding this weekend with 2200 dollars in my wallet that I am prepared to spend on the trail system!!!!! One that is worth it that is...... See, we just have different jobs. You will get paid if you can motivate your other slakers to provide a decent product. My job is to generate money for my company and by provided a decent result I am able to continue the chain....Do you understand??? Its almost a hard a concept as groomed trails brings money to the area from satisfied sledders.....I know this is confusing .....

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I have plenty more great pictures of groomed and signed trails if you New Yorkers are drooling for more!!!!! Wait till you experience something like this for yourself

Curious?? Why is it that on the NY forum there are multiple topics on serious accidents??? HHHMMMM Brings back my nightmare experience in NY when I visited the flat rock last year and had the unfortunate and sad experience of being around the day after a close relative(son) of the owners of flat rock died in a sled accident at 3am!!! Something is just isn't right up there.

Where did this guy come from and why. To just step in here and start bashing. Way to go, brag about Maine. I don't have trails near my house and if I did I wouldn't care how bad they were as long as i didn't have to make my own way around everywhere. I wouldn't care if the nose of my sled was digging after each whoop (mainly because its a pile anyway) but I'd be happy just cause I'm out riding. Don't come in our NY forum and start talking shit for no resaon. If you don't like our trails don't come back and I don't want to hear one more word from you in here! WOW. Like said before most times when trails aren't the greatest is when there has been high traffic. Props to those people who do maintian trails in NY or anywhere else for that matter. Keep it up for those who can ride them. And BTW there are many trails all over that look like the pic you posted.

Don't even bother replying anymore to this worthless thread. He is probably drunk and looking for a fight becuase he has nothing better to do.

If you don't like the trails then shut your little pussy mouth and go ride in maine. Believe me, we don't want you here.

I have 882 miles on this year all on tug hill and the trails have been perfect. Thank you groomer people and clubs. This year has been awesome every time we went. The Tug trail system is in possible to keep flat with the amount of traffic that is on the hill. You g
just have to know when to ride. If you go at 2 in the afternoon expect bumpy trails. It would be to dangerouse for groomer to be out 24 yrs a day with all the traffic.

Keep up the good work. Please stay in Maine even when you don't have snow and ride the beach do us a favor.

Oh by the way your a dick head There is no reason for you to start a post like this in the NY forum. Don't listen to him he is one of those computer guys that you see riding around with geek squad on the side of his bicycle.

This is a picture from up by Montegue.....the weekend after the HUGE snow last year, The trails were great that weekend. Are you sure you were in NY that weekend buddy?

I'm bored so.

If you live in Maine where the trails are so great why waste your time going to NY for sledding. Hmmmm Probably because TH had the snow at the time and you didn't. No one else had snow at the time when Tug got blasted not even southern QC. So guess what every asshole like you from every place around was driving to TH to tear up the trails. You rode 12 miles and before loading up your sleds. Good god you must have seen the whole place. Hardly enough riding for a real review. Its nice to have good signage when you need gas or a toilet in a hurry but guess what, getting lost and riding out is half the fun. TH is not in the middle of nowhere, its not like getting lost in QC. There are plenty of other places to ride in NY too but you should stick to Maine and Quebec.

Stay in Maine!! You don't like it here, don't come. The only reason you came here is because we were the only ones with snow!! And then you bitch about it? You must have a lot of money if rode your sleds 12 miles and then went home to Maine. Must be nice, not all of us can do that.

I ride in Quebec and it is awesome. But they don't get even near the traffic our trails get. I think all the clubs do a great job and I thank you. I'm not willing to groom a trail, therefore you won't hear me bitch about rough spots.

well heres some of my pic last year from tug hill so do think that bridge got thier by it self

Dude,

Nobody body gives a rats azz that you have $2200 in your wallet. Just like nobody cares that you probably have a blow up doll as a girlfriend and a jar of vasoline to keep your hands soft. You don't like NY, stay the hell home. We don't need you or your money. NY clubs work hard enough, we don't need to cater to a-holes like you. Yeah we might not have have huge tracts of land owned by timber companies that have nice wide trails, oh well. We do the best with what we have. Do we have the perfect trails, no, not even close but it sure is nice to get out and ride local.

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Sounds to me like this guy from Maine is a rookie rider who went to a new, unknown trail system unprepared.

Don't forget your sunscreen!!!!

All NH pics. Riding sucks here, best go to Maine I guess. And FORGET about NY. Whole state is lazy, 5000 groomers and only 2 run.

Still more terrible NH snow..

Damn! That sled with the old Air Force graphics on it is very cool!

Mainesledder - You are comparing 2 different things here. You are taking an area such as the "hill" which only has a certain area with a specific amount of miles within it and comparing it to the entire state of Maine. The plateau region sees an incredible amount of traffic due to it's location because of the snofall for that area. I have been out many times to that area and at times the conditions have not been perfect - other times, they have been. Get out an explore more - get off from the hill and try other areas. I'm sure you have done this in Maine as well. I have ridden in Vermont for many years and Quebec a few times as well - each time was not perfect either - you have to take the good with the bad. Everyone volunteers their time and time is a precious thing for those involved. Don't bash the volunteers - for it's the volunteers that put their hearts into what they love to do. Once this takes place, the clubs lose members and moral. Volunteers don't usually ask for much, groomers either - a big thumbs up goes along way with them!
The entire state of N.Y. is not all like riding over VW's - but then again the rest of the state doesn't get the traffic that the hill gets either. If it wasn't for the volunteers in every state - you would be trading that sled in for a jet ski.

If Maine was so good last year what brought you and you shillings to NY?I bet All of Maine didn't get the amount of sleds Tug Hill alone got.Insurance , get it or stay home, who wants to be on trails without it.Get real, check out the work involved by members and maybe do some.As far as your money, who cares, your labor brings more to a club than your pence.And yes I've seen many trails like Maines.
When I go sledding in your interbread neighborhood , I don't knock it, I make the best of it.
Later Darrel.

Hmm, i met the guy with the air force sled last year at the log cabin. Its actually a factory paint job is what i think he said

Arctic Cat fighter - limited edition.
Sweet looking sleds for sure.

Thanks Maine guy for your moronic statements about how bad NY is. What that does is make us NYers band together and realize how great we actually have it. Sure sometimes there may be better snow somewhere other than NY. But to know that I can stay in NY and still get over 1000 miles a year makes me proud to live here. So again thanks Mainemoron.

Look!!! This is something you have never seen before in NY!!!!

No, but I have this just minutes from my yard...

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Hey i'll be riding that trail tomorrow

Just did 375 miles in central N.Y.In 2 1/2 days. Most trails were great.

Logged a 150 miles yesterday on fantastic trails in Ney York State.

This guy is on the crack pipe! Last year I only put 500 miles on but it was the best riding out my way in quite a few years.

i haven't seen all of ny offerings yet but i know overall we have a ways to go. our grooming operations as a whole needs some serious attention. the nyssa (our snowmobile governing party) has the ideal grooming program and schedule outlined for clubs to follow but almost none of them do. you'll hear a buffet of excuses as to why conditions are poor when they should be awesome ranging from you don't know how much work we've done, to too much traffic (even though registrations are at a ten year low), and all they way to we got too much snow. and they get worse. it's kind of sad because there's a ton of guys out there bustin their asses to get the trails into shape but it's still nowhere near what it should be. it's like we're just treadin' water. the nyssa came up with new signing guidelines too but they don't enforce them. my whole area is loaded with pizza box and crayon signs that are hard to see and sometimes don't even point in the right direction. it's a hack operation compared to other areas. one ride in canada or maine (obviously) and you can see the difference. new york clubs, riders and management just set low standards and still have trouble achieving them. i ride here and do what i can to contribute but i will not make excuses nor brag about this state or at least not western ny. we have great scenery and a ton of trail miles, you'll just have to ignore the rest if you want to have fun.

Wonder if he works for the Maine Tourist Bureau. Geez-he rode a few miles of NY trails and now says that all 11,500 miles of funded and countless miles of unfunded club trails in NY State suck.

You know-I've met one asshole from Maine on this site-so all Manieacs must be assholes........using the same faulty logic.

seein green, Do you have a mental disorder, I have yet to see one intelligant post from you. Between talkin shit about dead guys and talkin shit about area clubs( whos trails you ride may I add) you must not have time to take your prozac to stay happy

Yep, Maine gets more snow than New York ... as it should, being further North and all.

In New York, outside of the Adirondacks, you have to pay close attention to the weather, conditions, and grooming.

Some recent pictures from Tug Hill:

He must be the Governor of Maine or something? He sure waited a long time to vent though didn't he..lol

Must be considered a rich guy up there with all that money....wow $2,200.00 whole dollars huh? Only question I have is why would anyone need that much cash on them unless they have shit for credit or nothing in a legal bank (debit card). Ever heard of credit cards and bonus points or free miles? Oh I know - he'll tell us all about how where he rides it's so remote that they only take cash......yeah we all ride through areas like that you igmo just not an entire in-bread State of that...........

I wish the signage was a lot better in NYS as a wh[ole and I'll tell you that the Hill, Redfield area and going out all the way to Pulaski was a nightmare when I rode out there last year! Every questionable intersection should be accurately marked........

i think he was just stirrring the pot, really bored or just a hammer. Hes long gone now, and won't post again. Really not much point to ripping on another states trails...online. Go complain to Robert Moore if you think the OF trails suck. I"ve ripped about 650 for the season out of old forge, and the trails were great when I was there. Even if they weren't one day, it was because of too much volume. You can't get mad at the groomer dude for that one.

$2,200 i believe was meant to be $22.22, failed out of 8th grade math. The 3 years he spent there were long enough.

Toddlers. Come to Daikers and speak in person. I own the guy from Maine. Laidher.

if you ride fast enough when the bumps are big you hardly feel them... sleds are made to be beaten... so i ride thee hill with pride never complain..
CLUB
CEDAR
PINES!!

yahh..joe is always grooming lots of time in the piston bully.. i beat the piss out of my cat 3000 miles on my sled and not one problem.. a couple mods here and there..

You have to account for expenses when snowmobiling and when riding in ny riders can't find what town they stay in, are in, or have been in due to NO SIGNS. So how can you expect one to find a damn atm if they can't even determine any location they may have been while in the state of NY!!!! You may think seeing green and I are crazy, but I GUARENTEE if any visitor came to try out your trail system that had any previous snowmobiling experience in the northeast they would never return again. It is a simple fact of life, and if any of you townie brainbusters ever left your childhood town you wood experience a world that NY JUST CAN"T OFFER!!!!! I couldn't agree more with seeing green's explanations of excuses coming from nyssaa!!!! The fact is all you posters are probably a beneficiary of all the state club money that was scammed and robbed from non state residents and are therefore going to defend your pitiful cult you call a trail system till your death and not put toward the trails. And seeing that you scabs will be the few riding your system it wont take long for you all to kill each other off as it is obvious by your own forum, my past visits, and the negative news publicity your state brings to the sport of snowmoibling due to WAY to may deaths resulting from straight out STUPIDITY!!!! And on that note stupidity sums up the basis of everyone of you that defends, promotes, and benefits from your distorted version of what a great snowmobile association consists of in your state. Please!!!! Nothing is good about NYSAA...NOTHING!!!! PS Currently just rode in Saint-Jean-De-Matha in Quebec for the first time and I saw more trail signs within the first 1/2 mile at one intersection than I did in 5 days in NY!!!! Trails were groomed and I didn't see local riders taking shots of hard alcohol at 10am either. By the end of the day trails had been riden and there were bumps....that is expected. But it was obvious that attention at some time in the near past had been paid to all the trails. Noted that 6 foot moguls did not exist....I have only seen that one place in the past 10 years...And I don't care if you are Blair Morgan, nobody including the above poster is going faster than 3-4 mph as the intervals of these 6 footers was less than 2 feet for 15 miles, and let me tell you those 15 miles were well worth it cause the trail all of a sudden just ended at a paved road to ride. This pavement was a hell of a lot better riding than the previous 15 miles. I believe I have mentioned in the past of the unexplainable fact that NY Clubs plow locat trails so cars can share the road with them. Well, I found it ironic today in Quebec that snow had been left in abundance on public roadways for the mere reason that sleds could use the 1/2 mile access road to reach the interstate trails. Completly opposite of the philosophy used in NY. I can't, won't, and never will understand how one in the right mind can honestly stand up to accept and defend that NY as a good system. You all should be committed to a psch unit for mental evaluation!!!! For all future riders who dare think of giving NY trails a chance I suggest you bring a 9mm with you to blow your brains out after a half day riding....IT JUST AINT WORTH IT!!!!

NY trails arent meant for pussy MASSHOLES like you. Get off your bragging im rich cus I bring 2200 dollars riding whining ass, grab some throttle, be a man and take some rough trails with a smile and be happy you even have the privelege to ride. Obviously you arent capable of being an all-around snowmobiler if all you do is chase highway like trails. You dont have dick in Mass. as far as im concerned, which leaves you no room to talk shit about any other state. The nerve! Keep your clam shucking dumb accent carcus off the hill and out of OF. Peace!

Hey Mainesledder97.......... Nice little Trip ya got going.........

Mr. Yardsale,

Make a statement with your name and go join the rest of your state retards in kill crash!!!! You can make headlines too on your board for "Yet another tug hill accident"!!! Suck . asshole. 2200 was merely an statement to exemplify lost state busness money gone elsewhere due to club incompetence and trail negelect!!! I think a simple effort on trail maintenance is not that big of an expectation for people travelling to ride!!! Weeks of absent trail grooming in UNACCEPTABLE for somebody paying large amount of money (not me...ANY SLEDDER) to travel to an area with no concern for serving customers who are willing to commit to local economic growth. The nysaa is a classic example of POOR business and economic management for all the local people invested in the sport. I am sure there are many people committed to providing excellent service, but those efforts are DESTROYED by those who have paved the disaster of visitor experience. Wake up. I couldn't drag any of the people I sled with to NY last year because of their past experiences with NYSAA...this is a small sample the actual amount of lost business to your area each year!!!!! State trail membership is down how much this year and what the states current trends??? POINT MADE!!!!! Happy you enjoy shit days in NY, but Im sure local investors to the sport and industry are singing a different story. Im starting to believe that its just not the scabs of the state that are retarted....its NY people everywhere. YOUR SNOWMOBING STATE SUCKS DUE TO IDIOTS RUNNING THE INDUSTRY!!!!! I bet you with a different approach the area and state would be VERY prosperous with unlimited potential to grow!!!!! SUBPAR expectations!!!!