Full Version: VAST'S "Family" membership program???
Here in massachusetts you can't have two owners on a sled registration, so if your wife or minor child has a sled registered in their name, you can't participate in the family membership program. I gave a sled to my wife and one to my son(age 14) as gifts, so their registrations are at our address but not in my name, so we can't take part in the program. VAST requires that all our sleds be registered in one persons name at one address. Thanks to VAST for not knowing that other states don't allow two names on a registration like vermont does. Another example of knowing how to annoy potential members(customers).
It sounds to me that it's more of a problem with MA not allowing multiple names on a title/registration. You can't blame VT for Massachusett's stupid laws. VAST needed to write the rule in such a way that a bunch of friends can't just band together and get big discounts when they don't deserve them. It's not perfect, but it suits most riders.
The state could easily fix the problem by just forcing you to register your sled here.
The state could easily fix the problem by just forcing you to register your sled here.
For christ sake let it go. What is the deal with you bashing VAST? Have you nothing better to do with your time? If your that disgusted or unhappy with VAST then ride somewhere else. This is the 3rd thread in the last month you have made arguing about VAST.
QUOTE(jacksmith101 @ Dec 12 2007, 10:01 AM) 
Here in massachusetts you can't have two owners on a sled registration, so if your wife or minor child has a sled registered in their name, you can't participate in the family membership program. I gave a sled to my wife and one to my son(age 14) as gifts, so their registrations are at our address but not in my name, so we can't take part in the program. VAST requires that all our sleds be registered in one persons name at one address. Thanks to VAST for not knowing that other states don't allow two names on a registration like vermont does. Another example of knowing how to annoy potential members(customers).
As a club officer here in Vermont I can say that you are not the only one not happy with the current registration requirment to qualify for a Family TMA. As a club we will be letting VAST know our member's concerns and would recommend you do the same; they need to know what has worked for riders and what hasn't. Many in and out of state riders would prefer a same address requirment rather than a registered name requirement. From what we were told in the TMA class, their were only a few large co-habitation situations that were cited by VAST as being a concern, so maybe they will change it if enough people let them know thier concerns.
QUOTE(ChrisD @ Dec 12 2007, 11:26 AM)
For christ sake let it go. What is the deal with you bashing VAST? Have you nothing better to do with your time? If your that disgusted or unhappy with VAST then ride somewhere else. This is the 3rd thread in the last month you have made arguing about VAST.
I love how he puts the prices of each state and how vermont requires insurance and the others dont. I just want to know who are the dumb fucks in this day and age that ride without any you must be a moron to drive without in this lawsuit happy era. It justy never stops does it. Like you said ChrisD ride somewhere else because i think it is a hell of a bargain here in Vermont.QUOTE(jacksmith101 @ Dec 12 2007, 10:01 AM)
Here in massachusetts you can't have two owners on a sled registration, so if your wife or minor child has a sled registered in their name, you can't participate in the family membership program. I gave a sled to my wife and one to my son(age 14) as gifts, so their registrations are at our address but not in my name, so we can't take part in the program. VAST requires that all our sleds be registered in one persons name at one address. Thanks to VAST for not knowing that other states don't allow two names on a registration like vermont does. Another example of knowing how to annoy potential members(customers).
Seriously....If its that big of a deal dont ride in Vermont....problem solved. Stop complaining, if your going to nickel and dime everything this isnt the sport for you.....
QUOTE(JOEZREVIT @ Dec 12 2007, 02:45 PM)
I love how he puts the prices of each state and how vermont requires insurance and the others dont. I just want to know who are the dumb fucks in this day and age that ride without any you must be a moron to drive without in this lawsuit happy era.
You'd be surprised. Most of the guys I ride with never had insurance until Vermont made it a law that you had to have it. Most of the guys that I invite to ride vermont usually say they can't because they don't have insurance. Remember that there are a lot of teens/young guys who ride sleds who don't concern themselves with things like insurance, registration, and even driving sober. They're all invincible you know!There are also a lot of snowmobilers around here with old jalopy sleds who stick to non- VAST trails because they don't have the money for the registration & insurance.
QUOTE(IcePrincess @ Dec 12 2007, 02:30 PM)
As a club officer here in Vermont I can say that you are not the only one not happy with the current registration requirment to qualify for a Family TMA. As a club we will be letting VAST know our member's concerns and would recommend you do the same; they need to know what has worked for riders and what hasn't. Many in and out of state riders would prefer a same address requirment rather than a registered name requirement. From what we were told in the TMA class, their were only a few large co-habitation situations that were cited by VAST as being a concern, so maybe they will change it if enough people let them know their concerns.
If you do the same address requirement don't you think that will get abused. Three buddies could just use the same address on their registration form.
QUOTE(jacksmith101 @ Dec 12 2007, 10:01 AM)
Here in massachusetts you can't have two owners on a sled registration, so if your wife or minor child has a sled registered in their name, you can't participate in the family membership program. I gave a sled to my wife and one to my son(age 14) as gifts, so their registrations are at our address but not in my name, so we can't take part in the program. VAST requires that all our sleds be registered in one persons name at one address. Thanks to VAST for not knowing that other states don't allow two names on a registration like vermont does. Another example of knowing how to annoy potential members(customers).
it's a consperecy, the state of vermont is out to get you!
-sea
QUOTE(Jim85IROC @ Dec 12 2007, 03:04 PM)
You'd be surprised. Most of the guys I ride with never had insurance until Vermont made it a law that you had to have it. Most of the guys that I invite to ride vermont usually say they can't because they don't have insurance. Remember that there are a lot of teens/young guys who ride sleds who don't concern themselves with things like insurance, registration, and even driving sober. They're all invincible you know!
There are also a lot of snowmobilers around here with old jalopy sleds who stick to non- VAST trails because they don't have the money for the registration & insurance.
Yeah i understand the young thing and being invincible but this guy is 51 and for the young guys who cant afford it how the hell do you get your sled from point A to point B in an un insured vehicle. I doubt it. Alot of these young kids today have nicer stuff then i have so i think they can afford it especially just liabiliy. Really! the extra money u would spend on insurance is probably gonna be the same amount u would spend on gas to get to northern New Hampshire or better yet northern Maine on 1 trip to Fort Kent.There are also a lot of snowmobilers around here with old jalopy sleds who stick to non- VAST trails because they don't have the money for the registration & insurance.
I really don't think VAST is going to do anything about this particular problem with family registrations.
I think it costs 60 bucks to register a sled in Mass for 2 years???
It cost 22 bucks to register a sled in VT for one year, $44.00 for 2 years. (16 dollar savings)
Now knowing the Vast Rules and family savings maybe more people will register in VT?
I think it costs 60 bucks to register a sled in Mass for 2 years???
It cost 22 bucks to register a sled in VT for one year, $44.00 for 2 years. (16 dollar savings)
Now knowing the Vast Rules and family savings maybe more people will register in VT?
QUOTE(IcePrincess @ Dec 12 2007, 02:30 PM)
As a club officer here in Vermont I can say that you are not the only one not happy with the current registration requirment to qualify for a Family TMA. As a club we will be letting VAST know our member's concerns and would recommend you do the same; they need to know what has worked for riders and what hasn't. Many in and out of state riders would prefer a same address requirment rather than a registered name requirement. From what we were told in the TMA class, their were only a few large co-habitation situations that were cited by VAST as being a concern, so maybe they will change it if enough people let them know thier concerns.
Thank you for the thoughtful response.
QUOTE(jacksmith101 @ Dec 12 2007, 10:01 AM)
Here in massachusetts you can't have two owners on a sled registration, so if your wife or minor child has a sled registered in their name, you can't participate in the family membership program. I gave a sled to my wife and one to my son(age 14) as gifts, so their registrations are at our address but not in my name, so we can't take part in the program. VAST requires that all our sleds be registered in one persons name at one address. Thanks to VAST for not knowing that other states don't allow two names on a registration like vermont does. Another example of knowing how to annoy potential members(customers).
If your worried about the money than you should pickup a new hobby.
QUOTE(jacksmith101 @ Dec 12 2007, 10:01 AM)
Here in massachusetts you can't have two owners on a sled registration, so if your wife or minor child has a sled registered in their name, you can't participate in the family membership program. I gave a sled to my wife and one to my son(age 14) as gifts, so their registrations are at our address but not in my name, so we can't take part in the program. VAST requires that all our sleds be registered in one persons name at one address. Thanks to VAST for not knowing that other states don't allow two names on a registration like vermont does. Another example of knowing how to annoy potential members(customers).
I to gave my wife and child a sled, but guess what they are all registered in my name, whats the big deal
I generally ride with my brothers so I registered three sleds in my name and took advantage of the family rate. I have them listed as co-owners..Family plan works for me...
QUOTE(jacksmith101 @ Dec 12 2007, 10:01 AM)
Here in massachusetts you can't have two owners on a sled registration, so if your wife or minor child has a sled registered in their name, you can't participate in the family membership program. I gave a sled to my wife and one to my son(age 14) as gifts, so their registrations are at our address but not in my name, so we can't take part in the program. VAST requires that all our sleds be registered in one persons name at one address. Thanks to VAST for not knowing that other states don't allow two names on a registration like vermont does. Another example of knowing how to annoy potential members(customers).
If you look at this guys milage from last year, I think he has spent more time and energy behind his keyboard complaining about vast then he actually spent ridding his sled.
Dude, it's enough already, I think you should stay home and do laps in you back yard and see how much fun that is.I know this is a forum but give it a rest, please! I think that if you manage to break away from your keyboard and actually ride more than 25 miles this year then you can come back and vent some more.
QUOTE(jacksmith101 @ Dec 12 2007, 10:01 AM)
Here in massachusetts you can't have two owners on a sled registration, so if your wife or minor child has a sled registered in their name, you can't participate in the family membership program. I gave a sled to my wife and one to my son(age 14) as gifts, so their registrations are at our address but not in my name, so we can't take part in the program. VAST requires that all our sleds be registered in one persons name at one address. Thanks to VAST for not knowing that other states don't allow two names on a registration like vermont does. Another example of knowing how to annoy potential members(customers).
You can't have a co-owner in MA??? Hope no one dies owning a snowmobile! You would have to go to probate court to sell it. Can you co-own cars or trucks?
VAST required one name on each sled as an owner or co-owner....
And quite frankly, we don't care what MA laws are. Ride in Mass if you want.
QUOTE(barnyardbanker @ Dec 13 2007, 08:50 AM)
You can't have a co-owner in MA??? Hope no one dies owning a snowmobile! You would have to go to probate court to sell it. Can you co-own cars or trucks?
VAST required one name on each sled as an owner or co-owner....
And quite frankly, we don't care what MA laws are. Ride in Mass if you want.
VAST required one name on each sled as an owner or co-owner....
And quite frankly, we don't care what MA laws are. Ride in Mass if you want.
You could fill a book with stupid Mass laws.
QUOTE(Jim85IROC @ Dec 13 2007, 10:15 AM)
You could fill a book with stupid Mass laws.
Completely off topic, but the very first time I pulled a rap sheet for MA it had a charge on it called "assault with shod foot" well after some calling around we figured out it meant the guy was wearing a shoe when he assaulted someone... over the years the strangest charges I have ever seen were out of MA.
QUOTE(jacksmith101 @ Dec 12 2007, 10:01 AM)
Here in massachusetts you can't have two owners on a sled registration, so if your wife or minor child has a sled registered in their name, you can't participate in the family membership program. I gave a sled to my wife and one to my son(age 14) as gifts, so their registrations are at our address but not in my name, so we can't take part in the program. VAST requires that all our sleds be registered in one persons name at one address. Thanks to VAST for not knowing that other states don't allow two names on a registration like vermont does. Another example of knowing how to annoy potential members(customers).
It looks like Mass is the winner at $60 so... just ride there.
I wish NH would require ins.
Either way Vast is a deal!
To ski Killington is $79 a day or $1299 for a seasons pass.
I was able to do the family thing this year after hoping they would do something like it for many years!
Thanks VAST!
QUOTE(jacksmith101 @ Dec 12 2007, 05:38 PM)
Thank you for the thoughtful response.
You are welcome...it is truly unfortunate that so many HCS members opt to shoot daggers the minute someone brings up a topic they don't agree with rather than entering into productive conversation...and it is even more baffling to me why so many choose to shoot the sharpest daggers at out-of-state members! Regardless of your point of view, mine, or theirs in the end we all contribute our hard earned dollars to ride the trails (here and elsewhere) and Vermonters need to acknowledge that out-of-state snowmobilers make up a large percentage of VAST members and they bring in a HUGE amount of revenue to our local communities. All members are welcome in Cabot! And out-of-state snow travelers should be treated with the same respect given our local snowmobilers.
“Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.” Albert Einstein
so your name is diff. then your wife & son
gee I vasted three this year with famliy plan.
don't like it say in mass.
and there was only one name on reg. vt.
gee I vasted three this year with famliy plan.
don't like it say in mass.
and there was only one name on reg. vt.
QUOTE(IcePrincess @ Dec 13 2007, 06:38 PM)
You are welcome...it is truly unfortunate that so many HCS members opt to shoot daggers the minute someone brings up a topic they don't agree with rather than entering into productive conversation...and it is even more baffling to me why so many choose to shoot the sharpest daggers at out-of-state members! Regardless of your point of view, mine, or theirs in the end we all contribute our hard earned dollars to ride the trails (here and elsewhere) and Vermonters need to acknowledge that out-of-state snowmobilers make up a large percentage of VAST members and they bring in a HUGE amount of revenue to our local communities. All members are welcome in Cabot! And out-of-state snow travelers should be treated with the same respect given our local snowmobilers.
“Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.” Albert Einstein
“Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.” Albert Einstein
I've read and responded to a few of the forum topics, and I call it as I see it, and I don't care where the person is from. If it looks like out of staters are getting the dagger, then read on.
When you have someone like jacksmith101 (out of stater) constantly trying to undermine a great organization (VAST), then he's going to have opposition. We've worked extremely hard to build the VAST trail system and we didn't do it to listen to a bunch of whiners complain about everything under the sun.
It's not out of staters, so don't generalize. There are some people that will never be happy. It's not that there are so many HCS'ers that show ill will, it's that we can see when someone is full of crap, and are willing to make it known.
It's now time to ride, so if the whiners want to whine, go ahead. No one will be listening. We'll all be enjoying the product of our hard work.
For all you guys coming up for opening day, drive safely. I'd rather see you on the trails then in a guard rail.
Happy Holidays to everyone
While I thinks it's good to have some type of check on the prices, consider what it would cost to buy the land the trails are on. VAST is a great example of a private organization creating and maintaing an awsome asset. You can drive for hundreds of miles without seeing the same tree, for $100+-, a year that's a great deal.
QUOTE(nailset47 @ Dec 13 2007, 08:09 PM)
I've read and responded to a few of the forum topics, and I call it as I see it, and I don't care where the person is from. If it looks like out of staters are getting the dagger, then read on.
When you have someone like jacksmith101 (out of stater) constantly trying to undermine a great organization (VAST), then he's going to have opposition. We've worked extremely hard to build the VAST trail system and we didn't do it to listen to a bunch of whiners complain about everything under the sun.
It's not out of staters, so don't generalize. There are some people that will never be happy. It's not that there are so many HCS'ers that show ill will, it's that we can see when someone is full of crap, and are willing to make it known.
It's now time to ride, so if the whiners want to whine, go ahead. No one will be listening. We'll all be enjoying the product of our hard work.
For all you guys coming up for opening day, drive safely. I'd rather see you on the trails then in a guard rail.
Happy Holidays to everyone
When you have someone like jacksmith101 (out of stater) constantly trying to undermine a great organization (VAST), then he's going to have opposition. We've worked extremely hard to build the VAST trail system and we didn't do it to listen to a bunch of whiners complain about everything under the sun.
It's not out of staters, so don't generalize. There are some people that will never be happy. It's not that there are so many HCS'ers that show ill will, it's that we can see when someone is full of crap, and are willing to make it known.
It's now time to ride, so if the whiners want to whine, go ahead. No one will be listening. We'll all be enjoying the product of our hard work.
For all you guys coming up for opening day, drive safely. I'd rather see you on the trails then in a guard rail.
Happy Holidays to everyone
I wasn't generalizing in any way...and I don't see what this individual has brought to the table as crap but rather valid thoughts and questions...he may not be right and you may not be either...many may never see eye to eye with him, me, or you but we all have the right to our opinions as we do still live in a democratic society. Further more, the only way to improve what we have is to entertain those who have new ideas and by challenging the status quo. Enough said!
As you stated "It's now time to ride!" so lets all focus on the snow and debate the politics involved later!
QUOTE(IcePrincess @ Dec 13 2007, 06:38 PM)
You are welcome...it is truly unfortunate that so many HCS members opt to shoot daggers the minute someone brings up a topic they don't agree with rather than entering into productive conversation...
Explain to me how what he wrote was productive? Did he not start the dagger throwing by accusing VAST of discriminating against non residents?
First in the thread title he states "VAST'S "Family" membership program???, Not customer friendly to non residents." insinuating that VAST was somehow discriminating against non residents.
Second he posts this...
"Thanks to VAST for not knowing that other states don't allow two names on a registration like vermont does. Another example of knowing how to annoy potential members(customers)."
So because VAST does not know the registration laws for the other 49 states they are purposely "annoying" the non residents?
JackSmith has made 3 threads in the last month complaining about the way VAST operates and everytime someone comes up with an answer (or the best answer any of us can give him) he dismisses it and starts more complaining.
If JackSmith took a little initiative and spoke to the people at VAST rather than post on an internet forum, I'm sure his questions and concerns would be answered, I have zero issues with out of staters, but I think JackSmith is not actually looking for answers but instead he has some axe to grind with VAST... my .02
QUOTE(ChrisD @ Dec 14 2007, 08:59 AM)
Explain to me how what he wrote was productive? Did he not start the dagger throwing by accusing VAST of discriminating against non residents?
First in the thread title he states "VAST'S "Family" membership program???, Not customer friendly to non residents." insinuating that VAST was somehow discriminating against non residents.
Second he posts this...
"Thanks to VAST for not knowing that other states don't allow two names on a registration like vermont does. Another example of knowing how to annoy potential members(customers)."
So because VAST does not know the registration laws for the other 49 states they are purposely "annoying" the non residents?
JackSmith has made 3 threads in the last month complaining about the way VAST operates and everytime someone comes up with an answer (or the best answer any of us can give him) he dismisses it and starts more complaining.
If JackSmith took a little initiative and spoke to the people at VAST rather than post on an internet forum, I'm sure his questions and concerns would be answered, I have zero issues with out of staters, but I think JackSmith is not actually looking for answers but instead he has some axe to grind with VAST... my .02
First in the thread title he states "VAST'S "Family" membership program???, Not customer friendly to non residents." insinuating that VAST was somehow discriminating against non residents.
Second he posts this...
"Thanks to VAST for not knowing that other states don't allow two names on a registration like vermont does. Another example of knowing how to annoy potential members(customers)."
So because VAST does not know the registration laws for the other 49 states they are purposely "annoying" the non residents?
JackSmith has made 3 threads in the last month complaining about the way VAST operates and everytime someone comes up with an answer (or the best answer any of us can give him) he dismisses it and starts more complaining.
If JackSmith took a little initiative and spoke to the people at VAST rather than post on an internet forum, I'm sure his questions and concerns would be answered, I have zero issues with out of staters, but I think JackSmith is not actually looking for answers but instead he has some axe to grind with VAST... my .02
There will be plenty of time to voice your concerns from APRIL 16th and on (of course that is after you make the extra road trip up to help the clubs pick up trail signs, etc).....with 1+ foot of solid base and another potential 1-2 feet on the way. This year in my opinion is an even bigger bargain than last year....let's face it, by the looks of it we are gonna get an extra 2 months of riding this year vs. last year.
Hopefully we will see you on the trails...have fun, stay right!!!
"JackSmith has made 3 threads in the last month complaining about the way VAST operates and everytime someone comes up with an answer (or the best answer any of us can give him) he dismisses it and starts more complaining.
If JackSmith took a little initiative and spoke to the people at VAST rather than post on an internet forum, I'm sure his questions and concerns would be answered, I have zero issues with out of staters, but I think JackSmith is not actually looking for answers but instead he has some axe to grind with VAST... my .02
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I have to agree with both ChrisD and Nailset. I personally feel that if "JackSmith" could word his questions with a little dignity and respect instead of insulting words he would gain much more respect. With that being said JackSmith does show concern for where all the money goes? who gets paid what and so on. I know all those answers are availble in the yearly report which all local clubs should have?
I think a couple of years ago the VAST news published all the money info too, maybe they will again? (Dam....I have to go plow now, what a wonderful winter where gonna have)
If JackSmith took a little initiative and spoke to the people at VAST rather than post on an internet forum, I'm sure his questions and concerns would be answered, I have zero issues with out of staters, but I think JackSmith is not actually looking for answers but instead he has some axe to grind with VAST... my .02
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I have to agree with both ChrisD and Nailset. I personally feel that if "JackSmith" could word his questions with a little dignity and respect instead of insulting words he would gain much more respect. With that being said JackSmith does show concern for where all the money goes? who gets paid what and so on. I know all those answers are availble in the yearly report which all local clubs should have?
I think a couple of years ago the VAST news published all the money info too, maybe they will again? (Dam....I have to go plow now, what a wonderful winter where gonna have)
I have to agree with both ChrisD and Nailset. I personally feel that if "JackSmith" could word his questions with a little dignity and respect instead of insulting words he would gain much more respect. With that being said JackSmith does show concern for where all the money goes? who gets paid what and so on. I know all those answers are availble in the yearly report which all local clubs should have?
I think a couple of years ago the VAST news published all the money info too, maybe they will again? (Dam....I have to go plow now, what a wonderful winter where gonna have)
We are still getting snow in Cabot and looks like it may snow all weekend! The groomer went out to pan tonight and will be out all day tomorrow! Our trails will be in good shape for Sunday morning! I can't wait, but like you tonight we are headed out to do more plowing tonight. Don't wear yourself out dgree ...you need your rest for Sunday!
I think a couple of years ago the VAST news published all the money info too, maybe they will again? (Dam....I have to go plow now, what a wonderful winter where gonna have)
We are still getting snow in Cabot and looks like it may snow all weekend! The groomer went out to pan tonight and will be out all day tomorrow! Our trails will be in good shape for Sunday morning! I can't wait, but like you tonight we are headed out to do more plowing tonight. Don't wear yourself out dgree ...you need your rest for Sunday!
QUOTE(jacksmith101 @ Dec 12 2007, 10:01 AM)
Here in massachusetts you can't have two owners on a sled registration, so if your wife or minor child has a sled registered in their name, you can't participate in the family membership program. I gave a sled to my wife and one to my son(age 14) as gifts, so their registrations are at our address but not in my name, so we can't take part in the program. VAST requires that all our sleds be registered in one persons name at one address. Thanks to VAST for not knowing that other states don't allow two names on a registration like vermont does. Another example of knowing how to annoy potential members(customers).
Need I say more..
QUOTE(snojockey @ Feb 3 2008, 03:09 PM)
Need I say more..
Yup typical HCS response.
QUOTE(rev_man @ Feb 3 2008, 08:18 PM)
Yup typical HCS response.
.....Sounds like you belong in Brattleboro.
QUOTE(snojockey @ Feb 3 2008, 10:15 PM)
.....Sounds like you belong in Brattleboro.
Sorry I hate to admit but I'm just around the corner from you. Much closer than you think.
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