Global Warming or What ? What Say U
First let me say Happy Thanksgiving to all and I hope your meal was a good one. I was awaken this morning by my 6 year old in shorts and a t-shirt and she was holding a lady bug. Daddy she said look at my lady bug, and as I did I realized it was not a dream it was Thanksgiving Day 2007 and it was 60 degrees in CT., on Thanksgiving Day. First let me say I am not a Tree Hugger but I am someone who loves the planet and my Family and Friends. And one of the things I like about this planet is it's endless diversity and the way our 12 months of the seasons change in New England. Over the last few years I have ridden my snowmobile less and less. It has not been from lack of desire to ride but from lack of snow. When asking my friends and neighbors in VT. is this part of some type of weather cycle? The only consistent answer I get is, it has not been like this in over twenty years. Well that is an interesting answer, cycle or not?
I guess the way I would describe myself is not a tree hugger, all though I may be one, if I knew what that really meant. But I am an outdoors man, someone who truly lives for the changing of the color of the leaves. Someone who loves the first sign of flowers in the spring and a long hot summer night on the water. But at the top of that list is the need and longing for winter and the endless miles of beauty I will see as snowmobile season comes and goes. In the last few years this is changing for us all.
If there is something we are missing in this sometime called SCAM of Global Warming then please do tell. I would be very interested to know from the True Vermonter is this winter lack of snow, a cycle or do you see a change in the weather? As the polar caps melt I question how may more years of riding there is going to be because of the weather? I am not one to think the worst but I have to say the last few years have been questionable. As to what we as a people can do to help in this so called catastrophe is yet to be seen. I would love to think that someday my snowmobile will run on water (hydrogen) and that may happen in my life time along with many other changes. But I also think that all of us should try to live a little greener if we can. I really do not think that this is rocket science it is a comprehensive decision to try and make a change before we run out of time. If it's all just a big SCAM (global warming) then we must be in for some long winters really soon,
Ok, I know this is not a trail report or someone compiling about something, but I would really like to know as would other, what you think. As the start of the season nears and God knows there are lots of us that have been counting the days, what type of season will 2007/2008 be. I wish you all a great year of riding and Dear God, Let it Snow, LET IT SNOW!! bt.
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I think we are going through a cycle, just like in the 60's 70's we were going through a cold cycle. Part of my problem lack of factual data. How accurate were the instruments back 30, 40 , 50 or 100 years ago. Do we really know if the Artic or Antarctic has had ice fluctuations in the past 100 years, 50 years. I personnally do not believe we have accurate data to compare to. No geophysical/weather satelites back 50 or 100 years ago. Ice core samples - okay we have that.
Do I worry about loss of the the rain forest and its impact on the climate and other environmental issues like pollutants we contribute- absolutely. I am not yet convinced that doom is coming. Computers can project what data we gave as input. The science is still more art than factual.
Weather patterns are also part of the global climate. How the northern and southern jets position themselves coming off the pacific or canada determines warm or cold for us.
In some ways the "global warming" reminds me of the stock market late 90's into early 2001. The "new" economy vs "old" economy (techs vs the tried and true blue chips) - the dow was doomed and the nasdaq was THE stock market for the next 500 years.... Well if you had invested in the ride in 1999 and 2000 you know what happened......
Nobody really knows if this is a 5 year, 10 year or 500 year cycle. I personally need more years of data collected to base some reasonable thoughts on longer term global warming.
Do I worry about loss of the the rain forest and its impact on the climate and other environmental issues like pollutants we contribute- absolutely. I am not yet convinced that doom is coming. Computers can project what data we gave as input. The science is still more art than factual.
Weather patterns are also part of the global climate. How the northern and southern jets position themselves coming off the pacific or canada determines warm or cold for us.
In some ways the "global warming" reminds me of the stock market late 90's into early 2001. The "new" economy vs "old" economy (techs vs the tried and true blue chips) - the dow was doomed and the nasdaq was THE stock market for the next 500 years.... Well if you had invested in the ride in 1999 and 2000 you know what happened......
Nobody really knows if this is a 5 year, 10 year or 500 year cycle. I personally need more years of data collected to base some reasonable thoughts on longer term global warming.
That was the first of many great answers we would love to here. WELL SAID...TY..bt. 
Well, I've done a little research. And I'm not a firm believer in "Global Warming". We were and still are coming out of an Ice Age, so as time goes, it is going to get a little warmer and a little warmer each year.
I've also read on the internet and saw on the news the other day that there is evidence that the "hole" in the ozone layer is in fact getting smaller not larger.
I think that the theory of pangea also ties into some of our climate changes.
Being that all the continentes were once together, then seperated by the moving and forming of tectonic plates; we are again still moving. Granted, very very slowly, but still moving which could affect different parts of each continent by giving it different weather than it had in past years.
Sun spots or sunflares have also been thought to have some affect with our changing climate. There is recorded evidence from I believe around the 1950's and up that show the changes in solarflares and how they influenced our winters. I remember seeing that it showed sunflares being in about 3-4 year spans, meaning theres flares for 3-4 years, thus cuasing worse winters; then none for 3-4 years, thus causing good winters. I don't know how much of this is true, but I believe we are currently experiencing flares, that are supposed to stop around mid 2008. But again, I'm not sure seeing as I read all this about 6 or so months ago.
But like stated above, I am worried about the decreasing rainforest, but thats kind of a different story/issue.
Just my 2 cents on the sitch-you-A-shion.
Tanner
I've also read on the internet and saw on the news the other day that there is evidence that the "hole" in the ozone layer is in fact getting smaller not larger.
I think that the theory of pangea also ties into some of our climate changes.
Being that all the continentes were once together, then seperated by the moving and forming of tectonic plates; we are again still moving. Granted, very very slowly, but still moving which could affect different parts of each continent by giving it different weather than it had in past years.
Sun spots or sunflares have also been thought to have some affect with our changing climate. There is recorded evidence from I believe around the 1950's and up that show the changes in solarflares and how they influenced our winters. I remember seeing that it showed sunflares being in about 3-4 year spans, meaning theres flares for 3-4 years, thus cuasing worse winters; then none for 3-4 years, thus causing good winters. I don't know how much of this is true, but I believe we are currently experiencing flares, that are supposed to stop around mid 2008. But again, I'm not sure seeing as I read all this about 6 or so months ago.
But like stated above, I am worried about the decreasing rainforest, but thats kind of a different story/issue.
Just my 2 cents on the sitch-you-A-shion.
Tanner
well i was in CT today as well and it was 62 and warm! but at my house in southern NH it never got any warmer then 44 degrees according to my digi thermometer. crazy
QUOTE(1999zr600efi @ Nov 22 2007, 09:08 PM) 
well i was in CT today as well and it was 62 and warm! but at my house in southern NH it never got any warmer then 44 degrees according to my digi thermometer. crazy
We had snow Tuesday- a few inches mostly middle of the state north. Then 60 today.... and 30 tomorrow.
I have been been doing a little research on this myself, and heres a few interesting articles/charts/maps i've found.
Bottom Line, i think the words Global Warming alone are only making Al Gore's pockets much Greener and Fatter.
First thing that comes to mind is the Vostok ice core drilling data.
"....The vostok data shows a regular cycle, between 100,000 and 150,000 years in duration. Over the course of this cycle, the earth has, for at least the last half million years, alternately warmed and cooled. Ice caps alternately melt and freeze, advance and recede. We're nearing a peak in the current cycle, so it should be perfectly normal to see rising temperatures.
"Regarding CO2, the "catastrophic" levels were observed at the mouth of an active volcano. I'd like to see data from elsewhere before I give it credence. Furthermore, the data shows that the tendency is for a CO2 increase to FOLLOW a temperature increase, not cause it. So I also question the claim that CO2 is a particularly important greenhouse gas.
And the bottom line is this: Even though temperatures are rising, we are still 4-6°C BELOW the temperatures at the historical peaks in the cycle. I say it's all chicken little."
Also, note that the correlation between atmospheric CO2 and temperature is NOT as strong as it appears. If you examine the graph, you'll see that there are periods when CO2 is rising as temperature is falling and vice versa. There are periods when CO2 is high and temperature is low. And there are periods when CO2 is low and temperature is high. I do not believe that CO2 is a strong influence on global temperature."
Also, The Weather Channel Founder had something to say regarding this issue.
By Noel Sheppard | November 7, 2007 - 17:58 ET
If the founder of The Weather Channel spoke out strongly against the man-made global warming myth, might media members notice?We're going to find out the answer to that question soon, for John Coleman wrote an article published at ICECAP Wednesday that should certainly garner attention from press members -- assuming journalism hasn't been completely replaced by propagandist activism, that is.
Coleman marvelously began (emphasis added, h/t NB reader coffee250):
"It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in [sic] allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the "research" to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.
Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild "scientific" scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmental conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minutes documentary segment.
I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.
In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped. The sky is not falling. And, natural cycles and drifts in climate are as much if not more responsible for any climate changes underway. I strongly believe that the next twenty years are equally as likely to see a cooling trend as they are to see a warming trend. "
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/co...global_warming/
As a point of reference John Coleman was a freshman in college when he started his career as an on-air meteorologist (scientist who studies the atmosphere to see how it affects the environment and to predict the weather and climate trend) - Al Gore was 5 years old at the time. Mr. Coleman has worked as a respected meteorologist ever since including a seven year stint on Good Morning America and is currently the senior meteorologist at KSUI in San Diego.
"The Weather Channel on cable. That's my baby", Coleman says. "The bad guys took it away from me, but they can't steal the fact that it was my idea and I started it and ran it for the first year. I put everything I had into making TWC the success it is."
Coleman was also the weatherman on ABC's Good Morning America for seven years. It will be interesting to see if Mr. Coleman's former employer GMA/ABC pick up this story about Coleman's distancing himself from any supposed "climate crisis." I'm betting they won't - The "bad guys" have taken over that operation as well.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff181.html
There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Also, the sun has been acting crazy lately, and here is some more info as to sun spot cycles, etc.
National Geographic wrote up an article, and has shown that the ice caps on Mars are melting also.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...rs-warming.html
Can't wait for Al Gore to tell us next that its OUR fault for that too.
Heres the chart with the sunspots and correlation with our temps/carbon
Well, hope you all had a good turkey day, and theres a shit ton of info in some links i posted. Should be some interesting replies.
Bottom Line, i think the words Global Warming alone are only making Al Gore's pockets much Greener and Fatter.
First thing that comes to mind is the Vostok ice core drilling data.
"....The vostok data shows a regular cycle, between 100,000 and 150,000 years in duration. Over the course of this cycle, the earth has, for at least the last half million years, alternately warmed and cooled. Ice caps alternately melt and freeze, advance and recede. We're nearing a peak in the current cycle, so it should be perfectly normal to see rising temperatures.
"Regarding CO2, the "catastrophic" levels were observed at the mouth of an active volcano. I'd like to see data from elsewhere before I give it credence. Furthermore, the data shows that the tendency is for a CO2 increase to FOLLOW a temperature increase, not cause it. So I also question the claim that CO2 is a particularly important greenhouse gas.
And the bottom line is this: Even though temperatures are rising, we are still 4-6°C BELOW the temperatures at the historical peaks in the cycle. I say it's all chicken little."
Also, note that the correlation between atmospheric CO2 and temperature is NOT as strong as it appears. If you examine the graph, you'll see that there are periods when CO2 is rising as temperature is falling and vice versa. There are periods when CO2 is high and temperature is low. And there are periods when CO2 is low and temperature is high. I do not believe that CO2 is a strong influence on global temperature."
Also, The Weather Channel Founder had something to say regarding this issue.
By Noel Sheppard | November 7, 2007 - 17:58 ET
If the founder of The Weather Channel spoke out strongly against the man-made global warming myth, might media members notice?We're going to find out the answer to that question soon, for John Coleman wrote an article published at ICECAP Wednesday that should certainly garner attention from press members -- assuming journalism hasn't been completely replaced by propagandist activism, that is.
Coleman marvelously began (emphasis added, h/t NB reader coffee250):
"It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in [sic] allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the "research" to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.
Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild "scientific" scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmental conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minutes documentary segment.
I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.
In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped. The sky is not falling. And, natural cycles and drifts in climate are as much if not more responsible for any climate changes underway. I strongly believe that the next twenty years are equally as likely to see a cooling trend as they are to see a warming trend. "
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/co...global_warming/
As a point of reference John Coleman was a freshman in college when he started his career as an on-air meteorologist (scientist who studies the atmosphere to see how it affects the environment and to predict the weather and climate trend) - Al Gore was 5 years old at the time. Mr. Coleman has worked as a respected meteorologist ever since including a seven year stint on Good Morning America and is currently the senior meteorologist at KSUI in San Diego.
"The Weather Channel on cable. That's my baby", Coleman says. "The bad guys took it away from me, but they can't steal the fact that it was my idea and I started it and ran it for the first year. I put everything I had into making TWC the success it is."
Coleman was also the weatherman on ABC's Good Morning America for seven years. It will be interesting to see if Mr. Coleman's former employer GMA/ABC pick up this story about Coleman's distancing himself from any supposed "climate crisis." I'm betting they won't - The "bad guys" have taken over that operation as well.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff181.html
There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Also, the sun has been acting crazy lately, and here is some more info as to sun spot cycles, etc.
National Geographic wrote up an article, and has shown that the ice caps on Mars are melting also.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...rs-warming.html
Can't wait for Al Gore to tell us next that its OUR fault for that too.
Heres the chart with the sunspots and correlation with our temps/carbon
Well, hope you all had a good turkey day, and theres a shit ton of info in some links i posted. Should be some interesting replies.
I just wish the general public saw all of this. Then things might start changing. I also believe that the whole theory of "global warming" is affecting our gas prices.
But anyway, Happy Thanksgiving and pray for snow!!!!!
But anyway, Happy Thanksgiving and pray for snow!!!!!
QUOTE(skifreek @ Nov 22 2007, 10:57 PM)
I have been been doing a little research on this myself, and heres a few interesting articles/charts/maps i've found.
Bottom Line, i think the words Global Warming alone are only making Al Gore's pockets much Greener and Fatter.
First thing that comes to mind is the Vostok ice core drilling data.
"....The vostok data shows a regular cycle, between 100,000 and 150,000 years in duration. Over the course of this cycle, the earth has, for at least the last half million years, alternately warmed and cooled. Ice caps alternately melt and freeze, advance and recede. We're nearing a peak in the current cycle, so it should be perfectly normal to see rising temperatures.
"Regarding CO2, the "catastrophic" levels were observed at the mouth of an active volcano. I'd like to see data from elsewhere before I give it credence. Furthermore, the data shows that the tendency is for a CO2 increase to FOLLOW a temperature increase, not cause it. So I also question the claim that CO2 is a particularly important greenhouse gas.
And the bottom line is this: Even though temperatures are rising, we are still 4-6°C BELOW the temperatures at the historical peaks in the cycle. I say it's all chicken little."
Also, note that the correlation between atmospheric CO2 and temperature is NOT as strong as it appears. If you examine the graph, you'll see that there are periods when CO2 is rising as temperature is falling and vice versa. There are periods when CO2 is high and temperature is low. And there are periods when CO2 is low and temperature is high. I do not believe that CO2 is a strong influence on global temperature."
Also, The Weather Channel Founder had something to say regarding this issue.
By Noel Sheppard | November 7, 2007 - 17:58 ET
If the founder of The Weather Channel spoke out strongly against the man-made global warming myth, might media members notice?We're going to find out the answer to that question soon, for John Coleman wrote an article published at ICECAP Wednesday that should certainly garner attention from press members -- assuming journalism hasn't been completely replaced by propagandist activism, that is.
Coleman marvelously began (emphasis added, h/t NB reader coffee250):
"It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in [sic] allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the "research" to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.
Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild "scientific" scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmental conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minutes documentary segment.
I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.
In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped. The sky is not falling. And, natural cycles and drifts in climate are as much if not more responsible for any climate changes underway. I strongly believe that the next twenty years are equally as likely to see a cooling trend as they are to see a warming trend. "
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/co...global_warming/
As a point of reference John Coleman was a freshman in college when he started his career as an on-air meteorologist (scientist who studies the atmosphere to see how it affects the environment and to predict the weather and climate trend) - Al Gore was 5 years old at the time. Mr. Coleman has worked as a respected meteorologist ever since including a seven year stint on Good Morning America and is currently the senior meteorologist at KSUI in San Diego.
"The Weather Channel on cable. That's my baby", Coleman says. "The bad guys took it away from me, but they can't steal the fact that it was my idea and I started it and ran it for the first year. I put everything I had into making TWC the success it is."
Coleman was also the weatherman on ABC's Good Morning America for seven years. It will be interesting to see if Mr. Coleman's former employer GMA/ABC pick up this story about Coleman's distancing himself from any supposed "climate crisis." I'm betting they won't - The "bad guys" have taken over that operation as well.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff181.html
There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Also, the sun has been acting crazy lately, and here is some more info as to sun spot cycles, etc.
National Geographic wrote up an article, and has shown that the ice caps on Mars are melting also.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...rs-warming.html
Can't wait for Al Gore to tell us next that its OUR fault for that too.
Heres the chart with the sunspots and correlation with our temps/carbon
Well, hope you all had a good turkey day, and theres a shit ton of info in some links i posted. Should be some interesting replies.
Bottom Line, i think the words Global Warming alone are only making Al Gore's pockets much Greener and Fatter.
First thing that comes to mind is the Vostok ice core drilling data.
"....The vostok data shows a regular cycle, between 100,000 and 150,000 years in duration. Over the course of this cycle, the earth has, for at least the last half million years, alternately warmed and cooled. Ice caps alternately melt and freeze, advance and recede. We're nearing a peak in the current cycle, so it should be perfectly normal to see rising temperatures.
"Regarding CO2, the "catastrophic" levels were observed at the mouth of an active volcano. I'd like to see data from elsewhere before I give it credence. Furthermore, the data shows that the tendency is for a CO2 increase to FOLLOW a temperature increase, not cause it. So I also question the claim that CO2 is a particularly important greenhouse gas.
And the bottom line is this: Even though temperatures are rising, we are still 4-6°C BELOW the temperatures at the historical peaks in the cycle. I say it's all chicken little."
Also, note that the correlation between atmospheric CO2 and temperature is NOT as strong as it appears. If you examine the graph, you'll see that there are periods when CO2 is rising as temperature is falling and vice versa. There are periods when CO2 is high and temperature is low. And there are periods when CO2 is low and temperature is high. I do not believe that CO2 is a strong influence on global temperature."
Also, The Weather Channel Founder had something to say regarding this issue.
By Noel Sheppard | November 7, 2007 - 17:58 ET
If the founder of The Weather Channel spoke out strongly against the man-made global warming myth, might media members notice?We're going to find out the answer to that question soon, for John Coleman wrote an article published at ICECAP Wednesday that should certainly garner attention from press members -- assuming journalism hasn't been completely replaced by propagandist activism, that is.
Coleman marvelously began (emphasis added, h/t NB reader coffee250):
"It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create in [sic] allusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the "research" to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.
Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild "scientific" scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmental conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minutes documentary segment.
I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.
In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped. The sky is not falling. And, natural cycles and drifts in climate are as much if not more responsible for any climate changes underway. I strongly believe that the next twenty years are equally as likely to see a cooling trend as they are to see a warming trend. "
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/co...global_warming/
As a point of reference John Coleman was a freshman in college when he started his career as an on-air meteorologist (scientist who studies the atmosphere to see how it affects the environment and to predict the weather and climate trend) - Al Gore was 5 years old at the time. Mr. Coleman has worked as a respected meteorologist ever since including a seven year stint on Good Morning America and is currently the senior meteorologist at KSUI in San Diego.
"The Weather Channel on cable. That's my baby", Coleman says. "The bad guys took it away from me, but they can't steal the fact that it was my idea and I started it and ran it for the first year. I put everything I had into making TWC the success it is."
Coleman was also the weatherman on ABC's Good Morning America for seven years. It will be interesting to see if Mr. Coleman's former employer GMA/ABC pick up this story about Coleman's distancing himself from any supposed "climate crisis." I'm betting they won't - The "bad guys" have taken over that operation as well.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rozeff/rozeff181.html
There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT
Also, the sun has been acting crazy lately, and here is some more info as to sun spot cycles, etc.
National Geographic wrote up an article, and has shown that the ice caps on Mars are melting also.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...rs-warming.html
Can't wait for Al Gore to tell us next that its OUR fault for that too.
Heres the chart with the sunspots and correlation with our temps/carbon
Well, hope you all had a good turkey day, and theres a shit ton of info in some links i posted. Should be some interesting replies.
As a Meteorologist tracking/forecasting weather every day, I must say I am impressed with your work skifreek! I could write 10 pages on this issue. Let me introduce one of my main points.......NO ONE EVER talks about the huge glacier that created Long Island, New York and receded North. There had to be some hell of a warm-up causing the ice to melt/recede......long before coal burning plants dotted the globe. For my second point....I also agree with CtSkiDoo2 about the accuracy of instruments and the overall "measured" coverage today -vs- 200 years ago???? Third point......who are we to say the earth can not cool or warm naturally????? It actually becomes quite comical when you listen to some people citing recent record temperatures and hurricanes as an indication of global warming...................
How about the Hurricane of 1938 that devistated much of New England???? Or when we break a record by one degree and the old record is from the 1950s??? I will leave these points for everyone to think about and stop running on...Happy Thanksgiving! -Gil
I think with modern technology and easy access to record keeping makes the average person more "aware" of small shifts in weather patterns. People tend to over-react because of one winter with less than average snowfall or one summer with a few days of record heat and drier than typical conditions. Why is it that most days when a record warm day is set the charts show something like November 23 - record high was 83 degrees set in 1933.... In 1933 people just thought "Wow its warm out today, but believe me, winter will be here before you know it."
Now in 2007 a warm day sets off a bunch of flaming liberals into a frenzy about SUV's, followed by some footage of a polar bear wandering aimlessly in the Arctic circle.
One funny note from Al Gores studies is what he said after hurricane Katrina: EVERY year the USA is going to experience bigger and stronger hurricanes that will slam into the coastline causing billions in damage. Katrina was a wake-up call for excessive ocean temps and the devastation that awaits us every hurricane season.
Truth is, since Katrina not ONE single Cat 2 or stronger hurricane has even made landfall in the USA!!
Now in 2007 a warm day sets off a bunch of flaming liberals into a frenzy about SUV's, followed by some footage of a polar bear wandering aimlessly in the Arctic circle.
One funny note from Al Gores studies is what he said after hurricane Katrina: EVERY year the USA is going to experience bigger and stronger hurricanes that will slam into the coastline causing billions in damage. Katrina was a wake-up call for excessive ocean temps and the devastation that awaits us every hurricane season.
Truth is, since Katrina not ONE single Cat 2 or stronger hurricane has even made landfall in the USA!!
WOW, MY SNOWMOBILE BUDDY'S ARE SMART, GOOD JOB MEN....
another link i just ran across about our beloved Al Gore. Inventor of the internet, and global warming. lol
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html
QUOTE(skifreek @ Nov 26 2007, 05:52 PM)
another link i just ran across about our beloved Al Gore. Inventor of the internet, and global warming. lol
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/monckton/goreerrors.html
Thanks good site lot's to read...bt.
Gee this subject gets me every time, All the Goreon's listen to Al Gore and then award him the Pulizer Prize. Simple fact is the earth has always had the same amount of water now as a million or more years ago! At one time all that ice was water. As Gil mentioned, 10,000 yrs ago Glaciers covered much of the US down to NY and the NEK had depths of over 500 Ft thick (MMmmm imagin what the sleddin was like then). I remember back in the 70's when they were telling us that were headed into another ice age becuse of this same subject. (sleddin was good back then, the reason I got iinto sleddin cuz we had so much snow, even in the Boston area were I lived at the time).
But as I sit here at 8:30 am on 11/27 it is 45 degrees out and the ground has thawed out again, but this is what November is all about.
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But as I sit here at 8:30 am on 11/27 it is 45 degrees out and the ground has thawed out again, but this is what November is all about.
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Wicked good subject and has been talked about in the general forum a few times. There's so many theory's I get confused???? But thats not hard to do and really am no expert on the topic. I personally don't believe in global warming. I do believe in seasonal weather change due to the earth's rotation slightly being off kilter which takes 3 - 4 years to get back on track.
I do believe in trying to improve our air quility. I don't know if anyone noticed the days after 9/11 how clean the skies appeared due to grounding all commercial flights. Just after 3 days the skies looked considerable blue'r and clearer.
Temperature wise this year seems to be back to normal, 10 dgrees at night 30's during the day. Field riding on Thanksgiving is as normal as it gets.
As for what I do about being Green, definitly not a tree huger but I've always recycled the best I can, which has to do with land fills and dumps not global warming. I'm much more aware of the power I use and try not to be energy dumb. A few of my friends live off the grid and you learn to respect the power we do have. They always call me "energy dumb" Over in Europe they offer very attractive incentives to go wind and solar alternitive power which hasn't really caught on in North America. To limit the size and quanity of our power plants I believe the country should exept alernitive energy and offer incentives. The USA is in dire need of new power plants and its like pick your poison, nuke, coal, oil, gas, wind/solar. They all have there pros and cons.
I do believe in trying to improve our air quility. I don't know if anyone noticed the days after 9/11 how clean the skies appeared due to grounding all commercial flights. Just after 3 days the skies looked considerable blue'r and clearer.
Temperature wise this year seems to be back to normal, 10 dgrees at night 30's during the day. Field riding on Thanksgiving is as normal as it gets.
As for what I do about being Green, definitly not a tree huger but I've always recycled the best I can, which has to do with land fills and dumps not global warming. I'm much more aware of the power I use and try not to be energy dumb. A few of my friends live off the grid and you learn to respect the power we do have. They always call me "energy dumb" Over in Europe they offer very attractive incentives to go wind and solar alternitive power which hasn't really caught on in North America. To limit the size and quanity of our power plants I believe the country should exept alernitive energy and offer incentives. The USA is in dire need of new power plants and its like pick your poison, nuke, coal, oil, gas, wind/solar. They all have there pros and cons.
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