Hey just wondering who's out there that works for a GM supplier and is looking at layoffs???? I know if I would still be working down in Flint at ACC I would be sitting at home right now, really makes me wonder if I should just steer clear of the auto industry when I graduate this spring

I would say steer clear.

Well looks like it's all over, glad to see they could come to an agreement

You didnt actually think that this would have lasted long did you? GM couldn't afford to not settle this as fast as possible. Although I figured it would last a few days but again, they dont want to be in this position if they dont have to.

actually, with sales slow as molasses at a sggw ride... yea, I'd think they could have run this out for awhile. They have a huge supply on lots... no worries.

Except those humvee trannys. That plant should NOT have gone on strike IMO.

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Catman I would stay the hell out of the Auto industry. Unless you don't plan on living in MI when you gradgitate.

Vehicles on lots, thats just the tip of the ice. Parts and not being able to supply parts would be a huge problem. Look at it this way, if they cannot supply parts to the dealers and general public that would piss off alot of people and hurt dealers, even more so than just not haveing cars or trucks to sell.

The Humvee trannys, that is just another example like above on how they couldnt afford to let this go.

My point was it wasnt cool for the workers to strike on such an important item... imo.

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The Humvee trannys,



What's the deal w/ the humvee tranny's??

Well you know how it goes, they all(UAW) strike...I know most of them didnt want to do that(Humvee plant) but they have known this was comeing for a while now and they had to do it. Maybe all in all that might have helped settle this faster? Dont want to piss off Uncle Sam!

the plant that makes them struck... leaving the military in jeopardy. not cool imo. could strike enough others to get the point across.

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GM had enough inventory to last 28 days. If the deal wasnt settled within that time period i wouldnt have been surprised if they said "HEY RON FU*K OFF" and just started bringin in non union people. People wonder why mi is in such bad shape... 3 letters U A W
im sorry knowone is worth bein paid 28+ an hour to fu*k off on an assembly line

What about the guy running the 50 million $ stamping press, or the T&D worker running the high speed finishing mill, or the maint. guy keeping all that running?

How much are those workers worth? The wages aren't much different than those in other companies. Funny how everyone automatically assumes every UAW worker is just installing lugnuts or gas caps. Less than half the jobs at GM are considered unskilled and with this new contract they will be paid much less, So what's the problem? Health care? Show me any business that isn't crying about healthcare cost, except the healthcare industry itself, they seem to be the only one's making money right now.

Right on. When it comes to jobs at the big 3 or government or the like, some people who complain and dont have a job like that are mostly just jealous. I dont care what job you do, ANYBODY can poke the poodle at any job and some of these jobs pay well or comparable to a big 3 job or even more than. Its not just the big 3 who has dogbangers working for them...and not every big 3 employee is lazy. Yes, some are but I can find those types at any job.

Yes,the UAW made its own bed somewhat but ultimately the big 3 are just greedy as all hell and doing the job as cheap as possible even if that means going overseas and screw the current workforce they have had for many years.

Good point.. there are many workers worth the dough for sure... the skilled, hard workers. BUT... the union has a rep of protecting the unskilled dumbfuck and paying him big anyway... and that's the problem IMO.

They just did an expose' here from the Ford plant, guys hanging in a local bar for over 5 hour lunch, then punching a full day time ticket. Proven. Day after day. When confronted, they said they didn't, but the bar became oddly empty afterwards. Fuckin' caught red handed liars. THATS the problem, cheating workers. Gives em all a BAD name.

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I agree, absofuckinlutely!!!! I see it as well, it's always the same 2-3% that fuck it up for everyone else. No different than some jackass riding off trail where they shouldn't, pissing off the landowners and getting the trail shut down. It just rubs me the wrong way sometime when all you here out of the media and some of the jokers on this board is all UAW workers are worthless pukes. I along with a lot of other members wish it was different when it comes to protecting these retards, they just make life harder on the rest of us.

Peace out.... I'm done!

Now I do claimed to be the smartest guy around but I do not think the big 3s problem has to do with the UAW workers, the difference between the big 3 and the foriegn car makers is the amount they pay the higherups in the comapny, didnt the ceo of gm make like 35 million last year? At toyota the ceo makes something like 300,000 a year, it come out to be like 25times the lowest paid worker, now if the ceo of gm ONLY made 2 million a year thats another 33 million to put toward the workers or healthcare or r&d, Or maybe Im completely wrong here.

Shut up leepster, you're just making too much sense... so you must be wrong!

Let me comment from a Ford work stand point. I stock the line for the 2008 focus door panels (hi lo driver). We get a 22 min. frist break and a 30 min lunch and we're there from 4pm intill 12:15am... Start no earlier leave no later..... If I even take an extra 5-8 mins for my breaks, being if I stock the hell out of that line and take off an extra couple mins early. I better be back ON TIME or my line runs dry and I get 3 days off unpaid!! So as far as those guys 4 miles down the road from my plant taking their 4 hour lunch, either they got the easiest job Ford has or their like my father who has his radio next to him weather he's at work, on his cart or out having lunch and answers a call the minute he gets it and is off to work to fix the problem. No call for electricians then no work. Just like in any other shop. I just like how everyone jumps on the UAW based of what happened at on plant without knowing whats really going on.

And may I add the have way too many people who are upper management. GM has more bosses than you can believe, and they all get paid overly well. I guess its no different than Ford paying upper management then fireing them with a huge bonus when the company is extreemly in the red...x2 with Kmart. They dont produce, yet they pay them millions even when they f-up.

I'm pretty sure the Ol Rick Wagner didn't make 35mill. You also need to take a look at the pay structure of the upper management. Pay vs Bonus (bonuses are amortized of a 5 year period) You should note that manufacturing is just one of many facets of GM. Upper and Middle managements pay is well within any of the fortune 500 companies. Difficult to say that about the hourly workers based on the manufacturing industry.

I would NEVER want to have the upper management position. You eat and sleep the company. Stress is huge, a lot of people count on you. Thus you are also and easy target. They worked hard to get where they are at... school, time on the job, and lose of personal life.

Ask yourself, could you do it?

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Dont remember what job they had, but they were soooo busted, and they knew it. They all denied even being there, then they showed em tape, and they ran away. Doesn't sound 'legit' to me. As for no call, so you condone them sitting in a BAR all day while being paid?? I wouldn't care if you picked your ass, but if I was paying someone, they better at least be ON MY PROPERTY! IMO of course. What's really going on (in that case) was clear on video... you don't get owned much better. Dont stand up for the fuckoffs, and people will respect you more.

I support the hard working union members that dont support lazy scamming union members. fwiw.


I feel bad for Rick, maybe he should retire and try to spend his bonuses. I'd like to try the Nassar/Conaway (Ford/Kmart) method myself... hire in as top dog, drive the fkn company into the ground within a couple years, get fired with full pension and all multimillion dollar loans forgiven. :banghead:

Hmm, which island should I buy?