Has anyone heard about a possible price break for Canadian buyers now that the Canadian $ is at par with the US $? Right now there is a $3000 price difference between the MSRP for my Summit 146X between Canada & the US. Seems a little unfair considering they are made in this beautiful country.

I got a gade 800r x ordered, you can come down and buy it from me. There has got to be a way to just buy it "used" from someone here. WTF, I mean if an american orders one, buys it, paid taxes all legit, and then sells it to you, used, for some bogus price. Waranty and all should be transferable, right?

I would do some checking around if I were you, don't understand why?????

If I didn't live 15 hours from the border I would definitely be considering throwing away my deposit & cross border shopping. I heard Porche has dropped their prices... Maybe there's hope.

I've been raising this issue over on Dootalk for a while now. I guess BRP didn't like it cause the Dootalk folks pulled the thread. Said it was getting out of hand. Just what that means, I'm not sure, but I think it means BRP doesn't like people to realize they are getting ripped off.

My point was that when the dollar was at .64 the Canadians paid the higher price due to the exchange rate. Now that we are at par -- somehow the price doesn't relate to the exchange rate anymore.

But, on average BRP's Canadian prices are 30% higher in Canada. I think we are getting ripped off. I was going to buy a new Gade this year, but as I got to thinking about it, they want 2700 more in Canada than the US. That's just not right, so I will be keeping my REV for a while longer.

Seriously, take mine. 800r xp x, black and slate, electric start. 10,4 taxes, etc. That is out the door, Heck, I may even eat the 1k I put down because if I do not pick it up I will loose it anyway! The receipt from me can say $100.00

This is an interesting subject we've discussed in the "current events" forum on here....not only relating to sleds, but any product.

Like you said above, when the exchange rate was much different ($1 US got you many me many more Canadian than today) it would seem reasonable that a given product priced in Canadian $$ would be more then in US $, because of the exch rate. However, now that both dollars are 1=1, that no longer makes sense.

In theory, the most recent exchange rate will make Cat's and Polaris' cheaper to buy in Canada...IF (and that's a big IF) Cat and Polaris apply their US prices to Canada. You could argue they may want to pick up market share north of the border, and could therefore lower prices in Canada (relative to years past) and still maintain the same profitability when converted to US$ as the sleds they sell in the US (due to the exch rate). Therefore, that would put pressure on Doo to lower Canadian prices. Not sure if/how that will play out.

On the other hand, for Doo to be competitive price-wise in the US, they have to sell in US$ similar to their competitors....ie, they cannot simply raise prices 20% to account for the conversion loss on exchange rates without the potential loss of sales. Therefore, if you're DOO, are you keeping Canadian prices high to offset the relatively weak profitability in the US market due to the poor exchange rate (because you cannot simply increase US prices)???

Intersting subject, we'll see how it unfolds. I would expect Doo to raise prices in US, and Cat and Pol to potentially lower prices in Canada.

Well, it's getting more interesting as the days go by.

This morning the exchange rate is 1.005 to the 1.00 US.

It's getting harder and harder to justify the Canadian price structure -- no matter which company -- selling product in Canada for 30% more with our dollar worth more than the US -- is really really hard to grasp.

I'm not saying that BRP should drop their prices 30% in one fell swoop but at least 15% or so would be a start and if the exchange rate continues maybe another 15% for the 09's.

But, to continue with 30% is just stealing.

Don't hold your breath for BRP to reduce their prices.. as long as people keep paying it.. they will keep increasing the prices. Go buy one in the states.. even with gas an a hotel your still savings money and no duty on sled anyways.. good luck

How about other products.How much does a ford mustang, F150 or chevy truck or car cost in canada compared to the usa.

2008 Ford mustang USA $19250 CAN $24799
2007 ford f150 $17345, $22999
2007 chevy impala $21700 , $25230
2007 chevy silverado $18760 , $23370
MSRP Base models.

exchange rate this morning = 1.0037 Canadian -- 1.00 US

Now calculating the amount Canadians are overpaying is getting kind of funny.

Gade w/ 600es

US price - 9399

Canadian price - 12,149

This translates into Canadians paying 2,785 to much. Thats 2,750 on the respective list prices plus an extra $35 for the premium Canadian dollar.

No economic model justifies this!!!!!!!!

polaris shift US $6999 CAN $8999!!what gives?been asking this question for a long time because I live 10 min north of US border!I will not buy another vehicle in Canada until prices drop!You should see the diff in the price of lumber,most comes from Canada and is 1/2 the price in the US,An example a sheet of 3/4 inch plywood at our local north american lumber is around $47.00 a sheet at minards in Minot around $25.00 ish.I brought my switchback accross last year and I'll do it again in a minute!

AMEN. I'll never buy new in Canada again.

So in your case, if we assume exch rate from a few years ago, pol sold the sled at 8999 Can, then converted that back to US $$ and got $6665 (assuming $1.00US = $1.35Can). Today, they'd get back roughly 8999 in US dollars. So US companies are coining money at today's rates IF they hold the Canadian sales price constant.

I would not be suprised in Cat/Pol lowered Canadian prices to gain market share. They can do so, to the tune of over 20+% reduction in selling prices, without losing profitability.

I see the motorcycles are starting to move. Yamaha lowered the price of their 1300 tourer by 2300. Honda just lowered their 1300 tourer by 2500. So, a few things are starting to change.

I would have thought that BRP would have moved by now, given they are a Canadian Company, but I guess the extra 2700 is just too good to let go.

I do believe polaris may have dropped there prices also,my brother snow checked a shift for his wife in the spring and the dealer phoned the other day to say it was in!my brother told him unless polaris has dropped the price they can keep the deposit and it will still be cheaper to go south for one!they gave him another rebate which dropped the price down enough that he said it was close enough to make it not worth the while to bring it across.by the time you go through the paper work to get it across,pay the $206.00 plus drive to get it safetied at canadian tire etc it takes quite a lot of extra time plus time away from work etc which all adds up .So hopefully things will turn around.BUT it will really hurt the guys that paid big in the last year or two for new sleds that want to sell them or trade them off!

The exchange rate is now 1.0087 CAN to 1.00 US.

That works out to 2,831 over the US price for a Gade /w600es

That's calculating the difference in list price + the premium on the Cdn dollar.

I just wonder how long Canadians are going to keep buying BRP products at the inflated price. It will be interesting to see the prices of the 09's. If the Cdn dollar keeps going up, it's going to start getting wierd, if it's not already.

This is an excerpt from a recent artilcle that appeared in the Globe and Mail.

What's happening here? In what way can the US - Canada border, all by itself, defy fundamental laws of economics?

What explains the extraordinary divergence in retail prices between the US and Canada? Put it down, in the end, to the deeply entrenched Canadian willingness to pay more for many goods than they are worth. Put it down to consumer laziness. Especially now, Canadians can pay much less by crossing the border or by ordering direct from the US. Most Canadians, though won't.

Merchants will continue to price to the market -- to charge what the people will pay. This is why we will keep paying intergalactic prices -- whether we have parity or beyond.

The exchange rate is 1.0185 Canadian to 1.00 US.

On a Gade w/600es that equates to $2,926 to much in Canada.

Heard that the CAT dealers over here have all got together and are holding back financing on all stock coming from CAT until Canadian suggested list is slashed to meet US. Not sure how true this is but it may force the manufacturers to 'finally' do something or there simply won't be any sleds sold in Canada period. Same goes for auto's... perhaps it's time the dealerships refused to have any financing approved for manufacturers wanting to push their vehicles onto dealer lots, would be interesting to see how the manufacturers like sitting on stock up here, after they've FAT CAT'd it for the last 15-20yrs in Canada

For performance sled and auto parts, we're at par here - maybe frustrating for some dealers but we simply can't charge more for US items ( for the most part - ie - truck frieght items etc ) when the dollar is at par or slightly stronger. We're still taking out all border delays/hassles and brokerage plus providing very personal, efficient service. If anything it's improved sales here at 2KOOL Performance

just my 2cents.

History proves with 100% certainty that economics ALWAYS wins the day. Eventually consumers will "revolt" by NOT supporting Canadian companies and simply crossing the border to spend their money. This will cause Canadian prices to drop to par. Simply a matter of time.

am just amazed at how emotional some Canadians sound on this. These are people I have had reasonable conversations with and who I thought were smart and rational people. I am floored at how they and so many of their kin think BRP is screwing them.


9 months ago no one was beefing about the exchange rate or the prices BRP was setting.

The price has NOT gone up in either place.

The only thing that has changed is the exchange rate - and that is costing BRP and every other Canadian exporter big time. The loss on every Canadian product that is sold in the USA and is priced to compete with USA competition - is somehow screwing the Canadian people?

That even the supposedly smart Canadian media is dumb on this - or just throwing gas on the fire to get attention.

Its a Canadian product - made in Canada,... the price there has not changed.

Had the US dollar not lost its ass who would be complaining?

Back when the US dollar was strong and people from the US were denied buying in Canada where was the outrage then?
Seems no one gave a rats....

This is insane!! I thought most Canadians were smarter than this - seriously. To the point they are talking about suing?

What would be fair?
To move BRP to the USA and take with it all the jobs?

I wonder if this is a hate for BRP or Quebec...

Its got nothing to do with FREE TRADE - its about Franchise law.

BRP and every other international company will not react until the situation gets big enough. Just as people from the USA are prevented from buying in Canada so too are Canadians from buying in the USA.

Its the laws that exist in both countries that are in place to protect the local dealers and the franchises.

What would you have - allow the Canadian dealers to sue BRP for not enforcing the clauses of the franchise agreements?

This goes both ways and in not a BRP thing - its every industry that uses franchises.
There are reasons dealers and sales reps. have 'territories' and why its a violation of the agreement to sell out of them.
Dont blame BRP - blame your contract laws! - On both sides.


Here is a idea - DONT BUY IT!!!! or BUY A CAT OR POO!!!

Where is the outrage that USA goods have not gotten cheaper enough now that the USA dollar is weak compared to the Loon. That is were the real issues should be - every USA exporter to Canada is making windfall profits off of this and instead people will string their own to save their "mule".

EH!!

G-V you are right, but here is some info I found out.
I was looking into buying a new XP, that was spring ordered but the new owner wanted to sell it right away. I called BRP they told me that the Warranty would be VOID if the owner was a Canadian. And if a dealer was involved the dealer would be penalized.

It will take time for production cost and timing to match retail, things do not change overnight. FYI Honda does the same thing with their Cars Etc.

Here is an article......... posted on our website


So much for buying a cheaper Ski-Doo
Bombardier tells U.S. retailers not to sell to Canucks looking for deals
By The Canadian Press
Wed. Oct 17 - 4:47 AM

GRAND FORKS, N.D. — A snowmobile dealer south of the border says he’s been ordered by Quebec-based Bombardier Recreational Products Inc. to stop selling snow machines, ATVs and watercraft to Canadians who are looking to take advantage of the rising value of the loonie.

Ron Thompson, owner of Gateway Sports in Grand Forks, N.D., says he’s been told by Bombardier to increase a surcharge for Canadian buyers and ultimately to stop selling to Canucks at all.

Bombardier Recreational manufacturers the popular Ski-Doo and Sea-Doo vehicles.

"Canadians want to buy a Canadian product but I’m not allowed to sell it to them," Thompson said. "I had more than 35 calls from Canadians last week and another 10 calls this week."

He said he had to turn those inquiries away.

Thompson said Canadians can save several thousands of dollars on the purchase of a snow machine in the United States. The Renegade X 800 model sells for $10,000 at his shop, but would go for $13,000 to $14,000 in Winnipeg.

Thompson said Bombardier’s standard policy had been for its dealers to impose a 7.5 per cent surcharge on all sales to Canadians. Two weeks ago, Bombardier expanded that to say 7.5 per cent or $1,250 — whichever was higher. Last week, the company raised the rate again to $3,000. And earlier this week, Thompson said, a Bombardier representative told him not to sell to Canadians at all.

"They said it’s to protect the Canadian dealers but when the Canadian dollar (was at 70 cents) and Americans were going north to make their purchases, nobody was protecting my interests."

Thompson also said Bombardier will void the warranty on any craft purchased by a Canadian in the United States — even if the purchase was initially made by an American — and has threatened to cancel agreements with dealers who sell to Canadians.

"I’m paying $5,000 a month interest on the inventory I have but I’m not allowed to sell to Canadians who are trying to save some money," Thompson said. "It’s just not right."

Bombardier spokesman Pierre Pichette, vice-president of communications and public affairs, said the firm has always assigned geographic boundaries to its dealerships andfinancial penalties to enforce them.

Pichette said dealers are not allowed to sell to citizens of another country. The policy is based on market analysis and ensures that dealers not only sell but also can service Bombardier products.

Pichette said the penalty was increased in the last two weeks to prevent American border dealers from buckling to pressure from Canadian customers.

"We’ve had to make adjustments (to the penalty) for today," said Pichette, who added the company policy also applies to Canadian dealers, who are not allowed to sell to Americans.

’They said it’s to protect the Canadian dealers but when the Canadian dollar (was at 70 cents) and Americans were going north to make their purchases, nobody was protecting my interests.’
Ron Thompson North Dakota Bombardier dealer

North Star

Considering it is a canadian manufactorer and the canadian government has given them billions and billions of dollars of canadians taxpayers dollars in loans and grants i think we have every right to be upset. To say that we are arent smart and rational people is out of line!!!!! I think you are coming off as very ignorant and i am sure if the shoe was on the other foot you would be singing a different tone. I would have to say us as canadians are just tired of being screwed and something has to be done. Hopefully Brp will follow the rest of the manufactorers and step up with dignity and correct this major price issue. Back when i spring ordered my sled i tried to order from the usa and was denied, but i guess it boils down to how bad you want something,i was not smart as a canadian according to zdooman and ordered one anyway... You only live once no regrets just a sore cornhole!!!!

I think our taxpaying money went to Bombardier, and not BRP. There is a difference now.

This issue is in no way confined to sleds. I got into a lease on a new Honda Pilot in June. Next day we loaded up the family and headed south for a little US vacation. Ended up driving thru a Honda dealer in Maine. Frickin same vehicle we just got into up here was 30% cheaper in the USA. And it's not a cheap vehicle. Talk about a kick in the pills.

I don't think anyone one could have predicted the way the dollar has gone in the last year or so. Craziness. The price diff back then seemed to be offset by the diff in currencies. Now the currency thing has gotten all upside down, and prices haven't reacted yet. They need to. Pretty nuts when you can buy something made in Canada for 20% (?) less in the USA. Comes down to the inputs - where do they source the parts at? Maybe they bought them all a year ago from the US when the dollars were different? Pretty complicated issue. I feel sorry for the Canadian Doo dealers, they will be the ones taking it in lost sales. Unless BRP does something drastic.

OK, time for another Captain....

The point was that it is a Canadian company building a Canadian product with a Canadian dollar. The price of that product is set in Canada by the manufacturing cost of that product in Canada. The price for you has not changed for you at all. The price for that product will be adjusted in other countries worldwide by the exchange rate with Canada. Next year if all remains constant the price in the US will go up because the US dollar has lost value.

You have the problem of the dog with a bone in his mouth that looks into a pond and sees his own reflection. He thinks it's another dog with a bigger bone so he drops his to take the other one. His falls into the water and is lost. The only place that you are getting boned is in your own mind.

Will be calling my dealer Monday and Ski-Doo customer service also . I recommend all others who bought a new rev do the same

Here is the rebate program

Each Canadian customer purchasing and taking delivery of a new, unused,
2008 4-stroke liquid-cooled snowmobile between August 1, 2007 and
December 31, 2007, will be eligible receive a cash back cheque as follows:
MODEL DESCRIPTION CASH BACK
RX10RTRXB Apex RTX 719.95
RX10RXB Apex 684.95
RX10GTXL Apex GT 754.95
RX10GTAXW Apex GT 40th Anniversary 784.95
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RX10LTGTXL Apex LTX GT 774.95
RX10LTGTAX Apex LTX GT 40th Anniversary 799.95
RX10MTXL Apex MTX 724.95
RX10MSXL Apex MTX SE 749.95
RX10MTAXW Apex MTX SE 40th Anniversary 759.95
FX10X FX Nytro 649.95
FX10RTXL FX Nytro RTX 674.95
FX10RTRX FX Nytro RTX ER 689.95
October 15, 2007 Sequence F
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FX10RTRAXW FX Nytro RTX 40th Anniversary 699.95
FX10MTRXL FX Nytro MTX 684.95
FX10MTRAXW FX Nytro MTX 40th Anniversary 699.95
RS90RXB RS Vector 609.95
RS90GTXL RS Vector GT 634.95
RS90GTAXW RS Vector GT 40th Anniversary 654.95
RS90LTXB RS Vector LTX 624.95
RS90LTGTXL RS Vector LTX GT 644.95
RST90XR RS Venture 629.95
RST90GTXS RS Venture GT 644.95
RST90TFX RS Venture TF 644.95
VK10X Viking Professional 674.95
PZ50X Phazer 424.95
PZ50GTX Phazer GT 464.95
PZ50RTX Phazer RTX 479.95
PZ50MTX Phazer MTX 464.95
PZ50VTX Venture Lite 519.95
PZ50MPX Venture MP 504.95

All Canadians, The News Media, The Canadian Consumer Protection Agency, and The Canadian Finance Minister; all have it wrong -- but you have it right.

Hmmmmm, What's wrong with this picture????????

what did I win?


seriously - the media I give as much credit to as a ... well - whatever attention they can get. Its never about the truth or right but what sells papers.

the CCPA - where is the suit?
The Finance Minister was quoted - in a paper no less and if you read his comment it was more about USA companies than Canadian ones. Its the paper that 'ties' it to BRP (to sell papers).

So .. I am sporting person...

What do you want to bet?

I say when this is all done - prices change less than $500 Canadian (in Canada), there are no judgments or fines handed down and in the end - my version of Canada's future is more real than not.

oh - and you STILL wont own a sled!

READ THIS!!!
http://www.canadiandemocraticmovement.ca/Article1065.html

WOW !!!! A communist found a computer and made a website.... *yawn... next!

Zdooman hurry up and change into your BRP Super Hero jumpsuit I hear another BRP Pricing topic starting somewhere on the net and don't forget your multiple usernames in the phone booth you wouldn't want to leave those behind and getting out.

That's a pretty big broad brush your using to paint the Canadian media with and especially Canadian people.
Really who do you think you are judging anybody on this isuue, you talk like your word is all there is to be heard and known.
I can't speak for all Canadians and I won't but your obsession with this topic and Canadians is very transparent.

who am I?
Just a nobody - just like you.
But apparently I have struck a nerve with you as you seem offended that I make any sort of comment regarding Canadians. Because I have never know Canadians to be ones to whine and cry and carry on the likes of which I have seen with this subject. Its as if people really feel that they have been dealt this huge injustice and have no recourse with which to resolve it. Like a child that does not know how to manage their frustration so they have a tantrum. Again, so you do not misconstrue my words I mean that in a general sense and it is not directed at anyone in particular, only a type of behavior being witnessed.

I in no way thing that ALL or most Canadians think this way and if I seem to use a broad brush it is to sketch out this overly vocal minority - exactly that which the media - every media type professes to represent. Is it a generality? Certainly, we all speak with generalities. Perhaps is a western Canada thing as I only have a few relatives that reside that way, and most of the fervor has precipitated from the plains. As for what right do I have? What right do I not have to speak out? Is there no room for reason to balance lunacy?

As for my obsession and transparency, perhaps I am a little too close to the mark? You seem to stalk my every move. Intimately deciphering my every word. I will confess I am no economic wizard, but I must be speaking with enough coherent intelligence and common sense that it captivates you. If I am entertaining and perhaps slightly educational then I have done my work.

And yes - it does bother me to see people or companies derided by ignorance, incompetence and desire for personal gain over the greater good. If that is a transparent or not so be it.

Look who's talking about obsession and stalking....Thanks for the laugh.
I think your BRP suit is just getting a little to tight there Zdooman and is blocking blood flow to the cranium.

I was honestly just making the rounds and there you were -still loggin in. It was too tempting to resist.... thanks for playing.

I just looked at you post history here. Your riding a one way train on this subject. Making rounds, now there's another laugh. Keep them coming.
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