Its all doo, all the time. You Yamaha lurkers who wish you'd bought a doo and come on here looking for bash ammo, I'll be watching. Besides with all the looking around for bigger fuel tanks, susp calibrations that work, and windshields that protect you, you should be too busy to waste your time here.

September will be over soon. Actually this is the month to start trying to move our used sleds. I'll have about 6 sleds going on the lawn as myself and several friends will be raping other brands this year aboard XP's of various models.
October gets here pretty quick and I can remember some Northern snow/rides near the end, lets hope for some early fun time.

Anyone got details about the 0,0,0 finance program doo offfered last spring? I applied and got the card but did not see any specifics about the 000 terms. ??

The front end on this 4S actually felt lighter than my old yamaha apex did.

You and your friends might want to keep the old sleds for spares. Sure would suck to miss half the season (500miles) waiting for pistons and rings or worse yet a shortblock that will probably be on backorder!

Damn jd, you get away with murder on here. I wish I could bash like that on the yamaha sheep side.

For jd.

"You simply won't find a more refined sled than the 2008 GSX®. Built on the revolutionary new REV-XP platform, it is the ultimate culmination of performance and luxury, and its features prove it. REV-XP means the re-engineered GSX is up to 130 pounds lighter than the competition, translating to better responsiveness and less fatigue after long rides. Superlative performance comes from its 151 horsepower 800R Power T.E.K. engine. And the GSX not only seats the rider - whether one-up or two-up - higher for more optimal performance, but also adds eight inches of legroom for comfort. Additional features include our unbelievable new suspension system, completely redesigned driveline, and just about any other improvement you could dream of. If you're looking for the best of the best, look no further. "

whats a yamaha?

Blah blah blah blah... your problem is you take everybody elses word on everything!! Thats why you bought that 05 Fusion and 06 Apex!! I like the part of less fatigue after long rides LOL! How many long rides could you possibly go on in 1000 miles? LOL!! You got that quote from BRP's website, what did you think they were going to say??..." Bring a tow rope and check your crank bearings before every ride"?? Now that would be dumb marketing on their part wouldn't it?? That would be like Yamaha telling their customers not to get their sleds stuck because you will need a tow truck or Poo telling their 05 Fusion buyers that if you want a vibrating tank that will run with 500 cc sleds and get 8 mpg then our Fusion is for you!!!

They are so afraid of what I got to say and how I factualize my critiques about Yamaha that my last post was deleted. Here is what my post said, keep in mind this is the first time I posted aything on the HCS yam forum in at least a year.

" LOL "

This was posted in the nytro forum regarding the extended range aftermarket fuel tank.
You got some real brave moderators over there. The Sherminator is so confidant...........


I told them idiots the gas tank was ridiculously small like their dicks and the hyped MPG will lead to real world range of MAYBE 100 miles, more likely 80. They scoffed. Nowe they seek aftermarket fuel tanks.
I told them the engine braking was too much on the apex, They scoffed. YAM turned it down on the nytro and uses for selling point.
I told them the monoshwag rear susp was garbage due to its lack of front skid weight carrying capability. They scoffed. Nytro all new twin shock susp. I told them the calibrations will likely be off, watch them this year as they rumage for correct calibrations. hahaha
I told them the apex was far too heavy in the front to be a snowmobile worth a shit. New nytro engine 30 lbs less, buried low, back, and deep.



Listen up team yam panty ladies; Bail now while people are on the nytro hype train. Go get yerself an XP with real lightweight technology and enjoy true snowmobile performance both straight line and through the trail.

Now you posting family pictures! LOL!!! You will do anything for attention won't you?

I think you're the only one who craves attention. That's why you come into the Doo forum and try to start crap. You have a Yama-hahahahaha , good for you. Now go and stay in the Yama-hahahahaha forum and dream about having what you wish you bought. You should just dump the dump truck of a machine you bought, and go with something way lighter. That way you can stop trying to make your Yama-hahahahahahahahahhahahaha look good.

I have XP 800 adrenalin coming soon and My brother is waiting for his Nytro FX. I've been a Doo man for a few years and he's diehard Yammie. He had a 06 Apex that was very impressive. I could get him in the twisties but in open feilds and lakes he handed Me My ass! I think he's in trouble now because now I'll get him all around. All this bashing between Yamie and Doo is bs. Anybody who thinks Yamahas are junk is nuts and those who think that Doo,s are just waiting blow are just as crazy. Doo engines are noway as reliable as the 4 stroke Yammies but they are the best riding and handling sleds on snow. I can't wait to ride My bros sled and he can't wait to ride Mine. In many ways I liked his Apex better than My Rev and he liked My Rev better for some things also. I will be reporting as the season goes on about My impressions of both sleds.
















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Damn,For Skidoo making such a "great" sled your bashing Yamaha ALOT. Makes you wonder!

Just remember that after his first ride he will bash ski doo just like everything else he rides

I sure hope you not talking about me because I buy new sleds every couple years or so and have done so since the late 80's. You either dont really know me, or just like to start shit on here. I think judging by your 07 apex that your just another yamahasshole looking to strike a personal bash. This aint your protected and censored little silly girls yamaha forum pal. This is a doo forum and you dont own one do you. The only sleds I ever bashed on were 2, and they deserved it. The 05 fusion 900, the 06 Apex GT. Both were clams from the factory in their own way. My 06 fusion/IQ 600 HO has gotten nothing but praise from me as well as numerous other sleds I have owned such as my 03 rev 600ho which is still going strong like new. Conveniently forgot that did'nt you. Some shills on here think they are so great and everything they buy is the best and they can never admit something they chose to buy sucked. I readily and repeatidly admit that my APEX was a CLAM. Heres why for those of you who dont recall. Bogus susp calibration both spring rates and valving. Bogus for 4S gas mileage. Bogus handling with far too much front end weight for spirited riding. A bunch of other quirks/quality issues I did'nt like either. Think I was the only one? Think again. Plenty of owners bailed on that GT and in addition, Go to TY and see all the issues above and more that have been documented. The Yamaha idiots would rather bash me with rants of "poor set-up", "he bashes all his sleds" and other childish shit rather than admit that everything I complained of, and to be seen by all at TY, are legitimate. The only reason I pronounce my critiques of the apex is too offset all the PC 4S hype it gets. I'm just trying to save another person from making a costly mistake believeing the hype of a front heavy poorly suspended overhyped snowmobile.
If you like Yamaha, fine, go to your own forum. Fuckin sheep.

Actually, what makes me wonder is why a yamaha owner such as yourself is in here in the ski-doo XP forum posting opinions on anything. If your dreaming of high performing lightweight snowmobiles your in the right with ski-doo, just lose your yamaha 4s poor suspension heavy pig clams and the bash all who dont like 'em attitude.

See unlike you,When someone makes a good sled I will tell you. The Rev XP is going to be a very sick sled. I want the nytro because its a 4 stroke and under 600 lbs wet,How can you go wrong?

When someone makes a bad sled, I will tell you. The only problems I see with the nytro is poor wind protection, poor mpg range, historically poor susp calibrations being a yamaha, and possible heavy front.
What I like about it is that they use the lighter 3 cyl motor, and moved it way down and back to help mask the weight because lets face it, its still a 4s triple and it is heavy, unless you reside in yamaha dream land. What I also like is the reduced engine braking which is in the face of all those I argued with saying it was overkill while the yamaha sheep said, like everything else, was perfect. I also like the twin shock rear susp and its ability to carry more weight on the front skid and with more adjustibility. One of my biggest peeves with the mono was the lack of that skid to carry that lumnp 4cyl over it. Seems Yam listens to me rather than the sheep who bash me when my critques make sense, but fall on wooly deaf ears. Make it look good with a 10 gal tank and real windprotection, a susp that is proven to be good, and Yam will have something with the nytro, but till then its XP all the way.

Yes,But people have said this is there 1st sled that can handle the rought stuff. But you have your opinions and I have mine. But lets look on the bright side,We are ALL riding so its all good!

ask yourself that when all the chintz co. suspension starts flying out from under that thing.

Opinions are just that, but when a weak ego, or brand insecurity forces one to personally attack the giver of opinion is when the term "sheep" comes to mind. They claimed the RTX of 06 was a ditch banger. The mono is not a aggressive susp, by any means. Many things will break on a mono, beyond idler wheels. I have pics to prove. Given the history of suspension calibration and performance between yamaha and ski-doo, its not going out on a limb to say the ski-doo will be far better. Sadly, the Yam crew gives up much just for the fastest 4s. There are other 4S sleds with better chassis, susp, and mpg than yams of 07, but maybe a tad slower.....the pol FST and Cat Jag comes to mind. Its win win with the XP. Lightweight will = handling and performace. High tech 2S= efficient power. Doo has a rep for great set up out of the box and great suspensions. I know some ladies were critical of too much weight x-fer on the doo protos but what the ladies forgot to tel you is that all that is adjustable Dont like ski lift, turn it down. Too much traction and accel scares ya? Turn it down to trail sweeper mode. I myself like light ski pressure so bring it , ski-doo.

I hope My new XP 800 is everything they say it is. I know My Rev was awesome and to be honest I never felt that My Rev had to be lighter. I would rather have seen a e-tech 8oo than the 50lb lighter chassis. You say that lighter = better performance, I hope so because from what I'm hearing is that the XP's didn't fare too well at Haydays. I know that grass drags don't mean much but I thought that the xp 800 would have kicked some butt in 500 ft especially in the hands of the pros. You say that Polaris and Cat offer better 4 stroke sleds than Yamaha. Well I've had first hand experience on all three sleds and My Bros Apex feels lighter than the others and outperforms them too. The Cat rode very nice but no better than his Apex but the FST felt horrible. It handled very twitchy and the engine felt boring. I'm riding an XP this year because none of the 4 pokes handle as easy as My Rev but the new Nytro was very tempting. I spent two weeks going back and forth between the two models and stayed with the doo mostly because My Brother bought the Nytro. Had he bought the XP I would probably have bought the Nytro.

Well I dont have to go by what is said about the XP as doo had plenty to test ride at the snodeo. I have no doubt that the production units will be dialed in and better. Lighter always = better in the world of performance. Read an article about inertia, snow tech discusses this pretty regularly. As for haydays, I dont know went on in the stock classes, I only know that Yamaha is given an unfair advantage in every class. I'm for giving them some as a 4S handi-cap but its not fair right now. As for the 4s sleds, I did say the yam 4S sled are faster than poo/cat, but not by much. As for rride, ergos, handling, what not the nod has already been given to the Jag, and the Poo FST has m-10 and better IQ goodies than the APEX, sorry but thats how they stack up in most articles and I agree with them. Yes the nytro is a step in the right direction and Superior to the apex IMO, but its not perfect as some flaws are glaring, and it needs to prove itself suspension wise. I cant say for sure, but my guess is that Cat, Doo, and Pol will again have better suspensions. To me, there is nothing more important than a great ride, capable in the chop, light precise steering, stability with no darting or jolting.

stock 800 ski-doo=first, second, and third. Seems pretty good to me. Both the 700 and 800 class had quicker and faster than times than the 1000 and 1050cc Yamaha 4s. Sad.

Thats good news for those who bought the 800 to be fast. I don't really care about racing too much and I really don't care about racing on grass for 500-600 ft. The Firecat has been kicking butt on grass for years and I wouldn't own one if it was the second last sled on earth. I know how My Bros Apex beat My 800 in the real world even though the Apex never beat any 800's on grass. I'm keeping My fingers crossed for this season but I'm pretty confident My 800 XP will outperform his Nytro. I would be very surprised if either of the Yamaha 4s sleds had better times than our 800's. The 800 XP is lighter and has more HP than the Yamahahaha. What would be sad is if the Yamahas had better times than our 800 XP's !

Agree on the firecat, good power to weight and accel, but handling and particularly the stability, sucked. I never liked the FC chassis.
My 06 apex, set up for trail riding was never any faster than the two well tuned 700ves polaris I ride with. I never ride on super hard pack flat for ever.......or glare ice lakes, its always on snow and not more than 1/3 mile or so. Maybe in the right conditions the 4S would wind out better, at least this would explain some of the speeds these apex are reported to be going. I never saw mine go over 109 indicated in the are where I ride. There is no question that the xp 800 will categorically outperform the nytro, and apex. And every other sled, IMO.

I think I am dizzy from you guys, you guys really know your shat! All I know is they all fold up like an accordian when I hit a tree (thats my bad though!) I am impressed by the techology changing leaps and bounds that all of the manufactures make each year, remember the Rupp 440, that was my favorite sled when I was a kid, my grandpa used to tow me around on a sled in his backyard. Incredible the changes they have made!!!!

Why is it on the yammie site the threads are how to make it work better. All I hear from the yammie guys is the 800r seals, why not from the people riding the summits with the 800r. I talked to a friend that bought the summit last year to have the 800r, just put a 136" track on and set it up to be a mxz trail sled. Said that the r beat the power tek hands down. How come I never read, " I love my yammie, took it out of the box, rode it, and my spine is OK"

im sorry but you have to have some type of mental imbalance if you would buy a first year ski-doo or a first year cat!!! trust me, my brother is a service tech that works at a dealership that has ski-doo, polaris, and yamaha and guess what we ride?? sorry but we like to ride and when we are done just keep the sleds on the trailer instead of taking them to the dealership. i have had doo's and my brother had cats and we gave up on them when he started seeing what was comming in for repairs time and time again. having said that...i know the xp is going to be an awesome sled IF it holds together, it will easily out perform any yamaha on the trail and probably show the way across the lake this year too, but what good is it if you cant ride it when its in the shop????? maybe im wrong but the way ski-doo's past is i highly doubt they are going to be a reliable sled.

Go to your Yama-hahhahahahahahahaha forum and keep dreaming about what you don't have. Don't talk until you see it happen. Time will tell if the Xp will hold up or not. But, until then, take a hike. The snow hasn't even started flying yet, so F**K off.

lol...you guys are good humor. let the snow fly and then evaluate them. ive got a nytro rtx coming that i think will be a great sled, but we all now the Xp will smoke it . i demo'd one last year and its scary fast. i guess this is what happens when you have two great sled manufacturers that are selling like crazy. doo'd are everywhere on the trails because they make great products, but let's face it , there a more and more yamaha's on the trails for a reason. lets just be fortunate that we can enjoy this awesome sport together.

I hear ya.

hehe ive got yamis and doo's.... i like um both

Whats not to like?