Full Version: Shawnee Sno-Chiefs 9th Annual Grass Drags
We will be hosting the races again this year on the 29th of September in Sanborn, NY (Same location). More details to follow-mark your calendar now!
WE WILL BE THERE WITH LEGAL FOR YOUR CLASS FORMAT SRX THIS YEAR. 3:16 (yammie tony)
Gary- Who has the bas ass RX-1 with the turbo last year? Doesnt that sled hold the track speed record? Also I heard Charlie from the falls was putting together a grass dragger!!!!!!! Should be fun times 
BOB JACOBEY HAD THAT TURBO RX-1. ALONG WITH SAGE HENNKEY. MATTER OF FACT THEY BORROWRED MY SECONDARY CLUTCHES OFF MY SRX BECAUSE WE COULD NOT RUN THERE. 3:16 (yammie tony)
Not sure his name but he did 116 MPH on 500 feet.
Yammie-why did we not let you run? Chisels?
Yammie-why did we not let you run? Chisels?
Anyone see that chick fall off the srx last year? She barrel rolled for a good distance!!
That was my old SRX, Traded it in at Weavers 2 years ago and they couldnt sell it so they were racing it, That was Mike Weavers girlfriend who got dismounted on it, I got that sled from Weavers 3 years ago, Motor was built by HTG and some other work was done to it(pipes,clutched,picked etc.), I had ALOT of problems with it fouling out plugs, so they had the carbs off of it 3-4 times, Then I figured out one night if I unhooked the headlight it would run like a champ, So they put a bunch of new parts on it and it kept doing it, So I traded back in after a wasted season, Turns out when they(previous owner) put the motor back in the sled they pinched the wire for the Highbeam in the motormount and thats what was causing all the problems, Most of the time it ran like sh*t but when it was runnin' good god damn was it fast, Nothing sounds as good as a piped yamaha triple screaming down a track or across a lake.
Gary- I couldnt remeber the speeds on that rx-1 but I remeber it was FAST
Gary- I couldnt remeber the speeds on that rx-1 but I remeber it was FAST
im looking for more info on these grassdrags, rules, phone numbers to contact someone i have a 5 sec vintage 440 im running out of places to run in new england. thanks oilcan
attention to all grassdraggers. come join us at our 34 year and running terryville grassdrags at Terryville Fairgrounds Town Hill Road, Terryville, CT come check our website at www.terryvillegrassdrags.com
Race 1: Sunday, September 30, 2007
Race 2: Sunday, October 14, 2007
Raindate: Sunday, October 21
Race 1: Sunday, September 30, 2007
Race 2: Sunday, October 14, 2007
Raindate: Sunday, October 21
Oilcan,
Try our website at Sno-Chiefs. The rules are the same as last year, in case there is no update.
Gary
Try our website at Sno-Chiefs. The rules are the same as last year, in case there is no update.
Gary
QUOTE(jasonmxz @ Jul 18 2007, 10:08 PM) 
That was my old SRX, Traded it in at Weavers 2 years ago and they couldnt sell it so they were racing it, That was Mike Weavers girlfriend who got dismounted on it, I got that sled from Weavers 3 years ago, Motor was built by HTG and some other work was done to it(pipes,clutched,picked etc.), I had ALOT of problems with it fouling out plugs, so they had the carbs off of it 3-4 times, Then I figured out one night if I unhooked the headlight it would run like a champ, So they put a bunch of new parts on it and it kept doing it, So I traded back in after a wasted season, Turns out when they(previous owner) put the motor back in the sled they pinched the wire for the Highbeam in the motormount and thats what was causing all the problems, Most of the time it ran like sh*t but when it was runnin' good god damn was it fast, Nothing sounds as good as a piped yamaha triple screaming down a track or across a lake.
Gary- I couldnt remeber the speeds on that rx-1 but I remeber it was FAST
Gary- I couldnt remeber the speeds on that rx-1 but I remeber it was FAST
To funny,im 99% positive that was my buddies 2000 srx.He traded it in at weavers for a four wheeler about 3-4 years ago.Was it stock when you bought it?His was stock,blue windshield with white fear this stickers on the sides.
It had already been built when I got it, They told me a guy bought it rode it for a week blew up the motor, he wanted it faster so Bob sent him to HTG, Then he traded it back in because it was ......to fast for around here. So I was the third owner even though the 2nd owner only had it long enough to pour a bunch of $$$$ in it. But to answer your question yeah it sounds like his, I will see if I can find some pictures of it, Definitley had the blue windshield with the fear this stickers. I kinds miss it.
YES WE WERE KICKED OUT FOR CHISELS THERE TWO YEARS IN A ROW. FIRST WITH MY SRX AND LAST YEAR WITH VMAX 800. THIS YEAR WE DID SET-UP SRX FOR THEIR LEGAL TRAIL CLASSES WHICH ALLOW MEGA-BITES ONLY. ALSO WE DID SEE THAT GIRL BARREL ROLE OFF THAT SRX LASY YEAR, THAT WAS INDEED THE SRX FROM WEAVERS WITH THE FEAR THIS STICKERS ON WINDSHIELD. I SEEN THAT SLED AT BOB,s THAT SUMMER. I ALSO REMEBER CONDITIONS WERE VERY MUDDY LAST YEAR AND HEARD THEY HAVE CHANGED DATE OF THIS RACE TO AVOID POOR WEATHER. I DO KNOW THIS RACE USES STRICT COSDRA RULES. NOW HERE ARE AFEW MORE RACES FOR YOU GUYS TOO WATCH FOR. HEARD SENECA FALL SUPER TRACK IS HAVE IN A ALL AMATEUR TRAIL STOCK EVENT. ALSO THE DUCKS GAME CLUB IN PENN YAN DOSE TWO ALL - OUTLAW SHOOTOUTS. YOU WILL NOT FIND A BETTER TRACK. ALSO DON,T FORGET JACOBEYS IN HILTON NY IN NOVEMBER . HUGE OUTLAW EVENT. 3:16 (yammie tony)
Last year we didn't have much control over track conditions-actually I think it was the only Saturday it wasn't raining for the entire fall. We hope for the best and that Mother Nature will smile upon us. we moved it back a week this year, we we're going to do that last year, but Buck's was on that date.
Cross your fingers for dry weather!
Cross your fingers for dry weather!
More info availabale on our website. Next committee meeting is Monday, July 30th at 7:30 p.m. at the Shawnee Fire Hall
what is the web site?
It's www.snochiefs.com or Click Here
Looks like we need to do some updates-our web boss is on vacation right now.......
I hear the Apex will have to move out of the 600 class this year, since they have 140hp. Will they be running in a 700 class to make way for the new Nytro to run in the 600 class. Even the published 130 hp Nytro (which there are hints of having more hp than 130) will have more hp than any other MFG 600 class sleds. If you want to look at power to weight ratios, forget it. I already did the math and with a lite weight driver on the 4-stroke, he will have a better power to weight ratio. If a MFG chooses to make their 140hp sled using a 4-stroke that is their decision, but that doesn't mean the rules should be bent so a 140hp machine should race in a 120hp class! No they don't fit the cc mold, but they could fit hp vs. hp with the 700's. If a two stroke mfg decided to run twin pipes and aftermarket reeds, those sleds would have to move into a modified class, even though the MFG produced it that way. I realize the motocross world is changing over, but BRP, AC, and Polaris seems to be holding on to the 2-stroke. Where are you going to put the Yamaha's Bill D.?
Hammer
Hammer
QUOTE(HammeringHank @ Jul 31 2007, 02:40 PM)
I hear the Apex will have to move out of the 600 class this year, since they have 140hp. Will they be running in a 700 class to make way for the new Nytro to run in the 600 class. Even the published 130 hp Nytro (which there are hints of having more hp than 130) will have more hp than any other MFG 600 class sleds. If you want to look at power to weight ratios, forget it. I already did the math and with a lite weight driver on the 4-stroke, he will have a better power to weight ratio. If a MFG chooses to make their 140hp sled using a 4-stroke that is their decision, but that doesn't mean the rules should be bent so a 140hp machine should race in a 120hp class! No they don't fit the cc mold, but they could fit hp vs. hp with the 700's. If a two stroke mfg decided to run twin pipes and aftermarket reeds, those sleds would have to move into a modified class, even though the MFG produced it that way. I realize the motocross world is changing over, but BRP, AC, and Polaris seems to be holding on to the 2-stroke. Where are you going to put the Yamaha's Bill D.?
Hammer
Hammer
I like the idea of having them stay in Japan.
QUOTE(spikegary @ Jul 30 2007, 05:14 PM)
It's www.snochiefs.com or Click Here
how did you make out at your meeting? myself and few others from hilton area had a great time considering the wet weather that came in the day before,but unfortunataly no one can predict the weather.
QUOTE(HammeringHank @ Jul 31 2007, 02:40 PM)
I hear the Apex will have to move out of the 600 class this year, since they have 140hp. Will they be running in a 700 class to make way for the new Nytro to run in the 600 class. Even the published 130 hp Nytro (which there are hints of having more hp than 130) will have more hp than any other MFG 600 class sleds. If you want to look at power to weight ratios, forget it. I already did the math and with a lite weight driver on the 4-stroke, he will have a better power to weight ratio. If a MFG chooses to make their 140hp sled using a 4-stroke that is their decision, but that doesn't mean the rules should be bent so a 140hp machine should race in a 120hp class! No they don't fit the cc mold, but they could fit hp vs. hp with the 700's. If a two stroke mfg decided to run twin pipes and aftermarket reeds, those sleds would have to move into a modified class, even though the MFG produced it that way. I realize the motocross world is changing over, but BRP, AC, and Polaris seems to be holding on to the 2-stroke. Where are you going to put the Yamaha's Bill D.?
Hammer
Hammer
BILL D USES COSDRA RULES TO THE TEE AT THIS RACE. GO ON COSDRA WEBSITE AND LOOK WHERE THE NEW YAMAHA 4 STROKES HAVE TO RUN. THATS THE CLASS BILL WILL PUT THEM IN. 3:16 (yammie tony)
Bill doesn't set the rules, the committee does and we may consider changing the guidelines-especially since Hank is on the committee.
Meeting went well, though short on people. Next one is on the 13th. We are moving along, selling ads and such. The track seems to be in good shape, though not much growing in the starting line area. I'm sure by the end of September there will be some and it'll get ripped off during T&T. BTW, each sled registered to race will receive 2 T&T tickets for that morning. We don't have the times set yet, but likely from 8:30 - 10:30 or so.
We're hoping Mother Nature will be kind, but heading into fall, you never know.
Meeting went well, though short on people. Next one is on the 13th. We are moving along, selling ads and such. The track seems to be in good shape, though not much growing in the starting line area. I'm sure by the end of September there will be some and it'll get ripped off during T&T. BTW, each sled registered to race will receive 2 T&T tickets for that morning. We don't have the times set yet, but likely from 8:30 - 10:30 or so.
We're hoping Mother Nature will be kind, but heading into fall, you never know.
QUOTE(spikegary @ Aug 1 2007, 05:14 PM)
Bill doesn't set the rules, the committee does and we may consider changing the guidelines-especially since Hank is on the committee.
Meeting went well, though short on people. Next one is on the 13th. We are moving along, selling ads and such. The track seems to be in good shape, though not much growing in the starting line area. I'm sure by the end of September there will be some and it'll get ripped off during T&T. BTW, each sled registered to race will receive 2 T&T tickets for that morning. We don't have the times set yet, but likely from 8:30 - 10:30 or so.
We're hoping Mother Nature will be kind, but heading into fall, you never know.
Meeting went well, though short on people. Next one is on the 13th. We are moving along, selling ads and such. The track seems to be in good shape, though not much growing in the starting line area. I'm sure by the end of September there will be some and it'll get ripped off during T&T. BTW, each sled registered to race will receive 2 T&T tickets for that morning. We don't have the times set yet, but likely from 8:30 - 10:30 or so.
We're hoping Mother Nature will be kind, but heading into fall, you never know.
YOU GUYS HAVE USED COSDRA RULES AT EVERY RACE YOU HAD. YOUR RIGHT BILL DOSE NOT MAKE THE RULES. BUT HE FOLLOWS COSDRA. ANYWAYS, CAN SLED COME IN AND JUST TEST AND TUNE. WILL BE THERE WITH SRX AND VMAX 800. 3:16 (yammie tony)
can someone involved with theses grassdrags email me with a name and phone number so i can call u. i have been interested in your grassdrags since i have heard about them. i have been on your website doesnt have alot of info about rules and restrictions. i would really like to come to these races. i have a 1978 skidoo that has turned 5 sec. runs. it is very pro. built i would like to speak to someone with some issues that i might have with your rules and also do u just race or trophys or for money. i would have to travel about 4 hundred miles one way to attend your event.
QUOTE(HammeringHank @ Jul 31 2007, 02:40 PM)
I hear the Apex will have to move out of the 600 class this year, since they have 140hp. Will they be running in a 700 class to make way for the new Nytro to run in the 600 class. Even the published 130 hp Nytro (which there are hints of having more hp than 130) will have more hp than any other MFG 600 class sleds. If you want to look at power to weight ratios, forget it. I already did the math and with a lite weight driver on the 4-stroke, he will have a better power to weight ratio. If a MFG chooses to make their 140hp sled using a 4-stroke that is their decision, but that doesn't mean the rules should be bent so a 140hp machine should race in a 120hp class! No they don't fit the cc mold, but they could fit hp vs. hp with the 700's. If a two stroke mfg decided to run twin pipes and aftermarket reeds, those sleds would have to move into a modified class, even though the MFG produced it that way. I realize the motocross world is changing over, but BRP, AC, and Polaris seems to be holding on to the 2-stroke. Where are you going to put the Yamaha's Bill D.?
I'm just stirring the pot a little with Gary riding one of these beast now! However, just because COSDRA puts them in the 600 class doesn't make it correct. Like I said put a lightweight guy on the Apex and you have a much better power to weight ratio. Do the math yourself. I took the dry weights from the MFG Specs + 20 lbs (3 gal gas, oil) + 150lb driver divided by the listed HP. Stock MXZ 600 HO from DynoTech testing @ 118hp, Apex listed hp class from the website of 150, New Nytro from the Yamaha website @ 130. The power to weight is MXZ 600 HO = .180hp/lb, Nytro FX =.188 hp/lb, Apex RTX = .207 hp/lb. Compare these to the notorious F7 @ .220 hp/lb and the Apex falls in between the 600 and 700 power to weigth ratios. As you can obviously see the Nytro is more in-line with the 600 class sleds than the Apex.
One more thing, if you think the Apex should still run in the 600 class, did you ever run one in the snow against a 600? On my radar I clocked the Apex top end at 112mph, the mxz 600 ho @ 105mph. They don't even compare on the snow!
Hammer
I'm just stirring the pot a little with Gary riding one of these beast now! However, just because COSDRA puts them in the 600 class doesn't make it correct. Like I said put a lightweight guy on the Apex and you have a much better power to weight ratio. Do the math yourself. I took the dry weights from the MFG Specs + 20 lbs (3 gal gas, oil) + 150lb driver divided by the listed HP. Stock MXZ 600 HO from DynoTech testing @ 118hp, Apex listed hp class from the website of 150, New Nytro from the Yamaha website @ 130. The power to weight is MXZ 600 HO = .180hp/lb, Nytro FX =.188 hp/lb, Apex RTX = .207 hp/lb. Compare these to the notorious F7 @ .220 hp/lb and the Apex falls in between the 600 and 700 power to weigth ratios. As you can obviously see the Nytro is more in-line with the 600 class sleds than the Apex.
One more thing, if you think the Apex should still run in the 600 class, did you ever run one in the snow against a 600? On my radar I clocked the Apex top end at 112mph, the mxz 600 ho @ 105mph. They don't even compare on the snow!
Hammer
Gary,
Email Oilcan about the races.
Hammer
Email Oilcan about the races.
Hammer
HANK, ISR SETS THE RULES NOT COSDRA AT THEIR SPRING RULES MEETING EVERY YEAR. COSDRA JUST FOLLOWS WHAT RULES ARE INPLANTED PER SLED/PER CLASS. YOU GUYS REALLY ARE FUNNY POINTING AT THE APPEX WHEN THE F7 CAN MAKE CHANGES THAT PROBLEY CAN GROSS CLOSE TO 160 hp IN DYNO TESTING FROM A STOCK 140 AND STILL BE ALLOWED IN STOCK CLASSES. AND AS FOR COSDRA. YOUR ALLOWED A SEED TRACK IN THE STOCK CLASSES BUT NO CHISELS. NOW THAT MAKES ALOT OF SENSE !! SEE YA AT YOUR RACE. 3:16 (yammie tony)
QUOTE(YAMMIEGOD 3:16 @ Aug 1 2007, 05:49 PM)
YOU GUYS HAVE USED COSDRA RULES AT EVERY RACE YOU HAD. YOUR RIGHT BILL DOSE NOT MAKE THE RULES. BUT HE FOLLOWS COSDRA. ANYWAYS, CAN SLED COME IN AND JUST TEST AND TUNE. WILL BE THERE WITH SRX AND VMAX 800. 3:16 (yammie tony)
Actually we started using the ISR rules a couple years ago. We had our own rules before that when we ran at Ransomville. We are not allowing solo test and tunes, only if you are racing-but I can talk to the Committee about it. Each sled registered will receive 2 T&T tickets.
QUOTE(HammeringHank @ Aug 2 2007, 02:45 PM)
Gary,
Email Oilcan about the races.
Hammer
Email Oilcan about the races.
Hammer
Yes sir, Mr. Teacher. Are you practicing for your term as President?
Gary
Oh yeah-Yammie: The Caps lock button, it's on your left, right above the 'shift' button on your keyboard.
QUOTE(spikegary @ Aug 2 2007, 06:19 PM)
Oh yeah-Yammie: The Caps lock button, it's on your left, right above the 'shift' button on your keyboard.
i agree with the firecat comment i run a imp700 and ill tell you the dyno numbers are well over 160hp and its no lie.soo i say stop arguing and start racing
also i need a place to get some test and tune does anybody want to get a track together i have all the timers and light just no land to run..HELP
QUOTE(spikegary @ Aug 2 2007, 06:18 PM)
Actually we started using the ISR rules a couple years ago. We had our own rules before that when we ran at Ransomville. We are not allowing solo test and tunes, only if you are racing-but I can talk to the Committee about it. Each sled registered will receive 2 T&T tickets.
Yes sir, Mr. Teacher. Are you practicing for your term as President?
Gary
Yes sir, Mr. Teacher. Are you practicing for your term as President?
Gary
OH I AM SHURE IF ONE WANTS TO '' PAY '' TO TEST & TUNE. IT WON,T BE A ISSUE. AND GARY, DON,T WORRIE ABOUT MY CAPS LOCK BUTTON. I WORRIE WHERE YA GONNA LET THOSE 4 STROKE YAMAHA,s RUN. 3:16 (yammie tony)
QUOTE(DDCAT @ Aug 2 2007, 08:01 PM)
also i need a place to get some test and tune does anybody want to get a track together i have all the timers and light just no land to run..HELP
GO TO THE CANADIAN FORUM. CLICK ON ONTARIO. THAN GO TO POST '' BOYLE RD TEST & TUNE ''. THIS IS GREAT TRACK, WITH TIMERS, LITES, HARD STARTING LINE. FOR YOU OUT OF ALDEN, HOUR RIDE. THIS TRACK IS 20 MINUTES OUT OF NIAGARA FALLS VERY CLOSE TO THE OLD FENWICK GRASS TRACK. THEIR NEXT EVENT IS AUGUST 11, 3:16 (yammie tony)
Like I said earlier, I'm just stirring it up a little bit. However last year the Apex did run in our 600 stock classes, although Weaver made it to the finals he didn't win the class. A couple of MXZ's were 1, 2. In last years Haydays results many stock 600 classes were won by the Apex's.
See you at the races.
Hammer
See you at the races.
Hammer
HANK KNOW PROBLEM. I BEEN NOTED TOO STIR THE POT UP MYSELF. WE WILL BE THERE. 3:16 (yammie tony)
is there timers there
There are four lanes with starting lights and timers. Yes there are also false-start lights.
Hammer
Hammer
We don't do the run tickets-we don't have the equipment-maybe someday. We also will have the charity speed runs at the end of the day $5.00 a pop.
hey gary thanks for the phone call about the grassdrags. its aparent that i wont be making it to the races due to lack of sleds in my classes if you guys would like to come down to our races in terryville ct at the fairgrounds sept. 30 and oct 14 we race for money 100% payback plus bonus points for extra money and trophys many classes and sleds check the site at www.terryvillegrassdrags.com
We hope to get as many as possible out this year. Conditions so far are good, just hope Mother Nature smiles on us for anothe month and a half!
We are adding $50 per ISR Class, plus $10 per sled in that class for prize money for 1st place.
So, $50 plus $10 per sled.
Want to make sure that's clear-last year a bunch of Yahoo's said that we promised 100% payback (We did not).
So, $50 plus $10 per sled.
Want to make sure that's clear-last year a bunch of Yahoo's said that we promised 100% payback (We did not).
SPIKEGARY, CAN YOU GET ON THE TRACK TO JUST TEST & TUNE. OR JUST WAIT FOR SPEED RUNS AFTER RACING, THATS OPEN TO ANYBODY CORRECT ? 3:16 (yammie tony)
Speed Runs are open to anyone, the Test & Tune, you only get run tickets if you register the sled for class racing. You get 2 Test & Tune Tickets per sled registered.
GOT IT, THANKS. SEE YA AT THE EVENT. 3:16 (yammie tony)
Tony-see you there. Look me up-I'll probably be at the scoreboard.
We are also having a local restaraunt chili cook-off to award Niagara's Best Chili title in the spectator area that day.
We are also having a local restaraunt chili cook-off to award Niagara's Best Chili title in the spectator area that day.
THANKS FOR ALL THE INFO GARY. WERE GONNA RUN MY SRX IN THE TRAIL CLASSES (mega bites) lol AND RUN MY VMAX 4 AFTER IN OPEN RUNS. 3:16 (yammie tony)
My 12 year old daughter will be running her Puma 340-thinbk you can keep up with her?
watch it Tony, shes fast
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