what the fuck were they supposed to groom ? it was 40 degrees out and the snow was like oatmeal...... honest to christ, get your ass up in the morning and get riding by 8 o'clock. it was fantastic early yesterday. we did 140 miles the last 40 kicked my ass it was so rough. you cant groom when its like that. why cant anyone understand that ? even if they could what do you think the trail would look like behind the groomer by the time he turned around to come back?

I love it - always a ton of reasons why not to groom. You can't groom them in the summer! Here's an idea... groom while there IS snow !!

I live in NH, but it's the same all over. Get involved and run a groomer for yourselves, take the classes, learn what and why and when. THEN you will not come across as a selfish whiner. Cause THEN you would know that no one grooms during the day, especially not in the warm weather. If you want smoother trails, get up earlier and ride them while they last. @ 35* a smooth trail becomes ruined in about 15 sleds.
Get a clue.

like i said WHATEVER, we listened to about 200 guys in 4 bars bitch about the non grooming last nite,so i dont feel i'm the only WHINER.didnt see a groomer at nite either when the temp. droped below 30 degrees,except in redfield.....besides i spent over 300 dollars in NYS reg.& club fee's,I'VE GOT A RIGHT TO BITCH.

I totally agree. It's not like we are aren't paying anything. We're paying big money to have the trails groomed. Walk away from the TV and get ur arses out there grooming. There's snow on the ground... drop your wanker and groom dammit !

I live in NH, but it's the same all over. Get involved and run a groomer for yourselves, take the classes, learn what and why and when. THEN you will not come across as a selfish whiner. Cause THEN you would know that no one grooms during the day, especially not in the warm weather. If you want smoother trails, get up earlier and ride them while they last. @ 35* a smooth trail becomes ruined in about 15 sleds.
Get a clue.

WOW.......what a bunch candy asses.

I rode 125 miles yesterday on a broken spring in my suspenssion. If I hadn't of broken a spring, I would have easly have done 200 miles on sunday. The trails were in excellent shape around Redfield, Pulaski, and Parish areas. If you whiners have half the brains, you would just grab a trail map and ride off the Hill. Oh wait!!!!! That would mean you won't be near any bars, to keep your buzz on. OOPS, my bad....sorry for even suggesting something that stupid.

you sissy bitches need to take up something a little less demanding. like knitting or something.

20 YEARS AGO i RODE THIS IN OLD fORGE AND Tug hill,.....

I did not not care about shit..just fun. Grooming?..Smooth Trails..?. ..if only the spoiled ones had ridden on a leaf front and 3 in. of travel skid...

Thats why I dont bitch when the conditions "are not ideal" ..and" I paid money to ride.. "..WHAAAAA!

And you admit to riding that? Wow.

Sucks to be you if you were riding that sled 20 years ago in 1987, especially when the first production IFS came out in 1979. You're way behind the times !

Actually 30 years....77-79... I had fun beating up on 340 txls and 440 TX f/a ....

POARIS Indy TxL340 was a turd then...and all the bastard spawns since. .

BTW it was Chaparral’s 1972 IFS factory race sled. The machine got a lot of attention but never enjoyed much success on the track. An independent racer, Gordon Rudolph, stole /copied Chaparral’s concept and developed his own version for use on a Polaris. .
With Rudolph’s stolen and unpatented info, the Polaris race team put together an IFS sled . Polaris dominated with its factory IFS race sleds and began producing a production racer known as the RX-L.
Polaris released its Joe Average consumer available IFS sled with the 1980 TX-L Indy.

I'm glad to see you had some Polaris in ya at some point! Note I said 'production IFS' so I'll stick by 1979 with the ACAT Trail Cat. All your Polaris / Chaparral info is correct though but I was talking production.

Here's some trivia... do you know who collaborated on that Chapparal IFS design?

When did the first IFS equipped sled appear?
The first IFS (Independent Front Suspension) was designed by Bobby Unser of the Unser family while working for Chapparal in the early 70's.

Alouette and Chaparral had a IFS (Independent Front Suspension) on their factory racing sleds in the early 70's and Polaris had a successful version on their RX-L oval racers in the mid 70's but the first successful consumer sled with a IFS was on the Arctic Cat Trail Cat in 1978. This low performance sled was relegated to also-ran when Polaris introduced the "modern" version in 1979 (1980 model) TX-L Indy. The term IFS is misleading since the old leaf spring sleds were actually independent also - they just didn't work worth ashit. The modern IFS, mislabeled, is actually dependent as the skis are connected (in most cases) with a sway bar.Alouette and Chaparral had a IFS (Independent Front Suspension) on their factory racing sleds in the early 70's and Polaris had a successful version on their RX-L oval racers in the mid 70's but the first successful consumer sled with a IFS was on the Arctic Cat Trail Cat in 1978. This low performance sled was relegated to also-ran when Polaris introduced the "modern" version in 1979 (1980 model) TX-L Indy.
The term IFS is misleading since the old leaf spring sleds were actually independent also - they just didn't work worth ashit. The modern IFS, mislabeled, is actually dependent as the skis are connected (in most cases) with a sway bar.






Also, Alouette was working on one even before Polaris came out with their RXL version. And who was the famous driver that collaborated on that one?

Can you even tell when you have a broken spring on an Arctic Crap? The ride is the same.

If we had snow 12 months a year then I would understand waiting for the prime time to groom. When we only have it for 2 months max, then finding the ideal time to groom is just an excuse for a lazy ars or people wanting to keep the groomer $$$. It's like waiting for your wife to tell you when she's ovulating so u can get some and she can get prego. Screw that.. tap her all the time and you make out better !

In the SnoPro racing for the winter of 1973-74, Gilles Villeneuve, working with Alouette, developed the twin-ack racer that had IFS front suspension system. ....sled was slow off the line but its superb handling and high cornering speeds caught people’s attention. The twin-track Alouette broke down a lot. Villeneuve won one SnoPro event

gille villineuve ?

1972 Chaparral SSX Grass Pro..my friend had one of these...
... rare factory-built grass drag sled Chaparral made just 35 of the grass-drag sleds, some with a 650 and some with a 440 engine, and only eight or nine of those sleds have been accounted for today. They came with leaf ski springs (the Chap oval race sleds had IFS that year), a thin seat cushion, and a special deep-lug molded-rubber track. The hood was also unique to the grass sleds, and there were at least two different styles, one cut away to allow the clutch-side pipe to curl up.Alouette and Chaparral had a IFS (Independent Front Suspension) on their factory racing sleds in the early 70's and Polaris had a successful version on their RX-L oval racers in the mid 70's but the first successful consumer sled with a IFS was on the Arctic Cat Trail Cat in 1978. This low performance sled was relegated to also-ran when Polaris introduced the "modern" version in 1979 (1980 model) TX-L Indy. The term IFS is misleading since the old leaf spring sleds were actually independent also - they just didn't work worth ashit. The modern IFS, mislabeled, is actually dependent as the skis are connected (in most cases) with a sway bar.
In the SnoPro racing for the winter of 1973-74, Gilles Villeneuve, working with Alouette, developed the twin-track racer that had IFS front suspension system. ....sled was slow off the line but its superb handling and high cornering speeds caught people’s attention. The twin-track Alouette broke down a lot. Villeneuve won one SnoPro event
I still read alot of my old Snow weeks and SnoGoers. Plus I was there. Boonville.70-8-'s. Midddletown NY,(Orange cty fairgrounds)!!,Syracuse,...etc.

Bottom line.....we'd all like to honestly see the groomers a little more. But I"d rather complain about crappy trail conditions then not be riding at all, which could happen this weekend.

Laidher.

Snowed like a bastard sat night, hit and killed a deer on Trail 5, which was relatively flat by the way.

Jesus christ when are you gonna learn its almost always bumpy there. My dads been riding there before they groomed and said it used to be much worse so quit your bitchin or ride somewhere else.

You got that right!!!! Crappy trails are better then no trails!!! Especially as we are quickly moving into spring conditions....

You hit the deer with your sled? How much damage did that do? Hope you and your sled are alright. I hit and killed a deer on my motorcycle, but never on a sled (knock on wood).

Whether you want to believe it or not, i had 2 encounters with deer saturday night. I hit one on the uncas road right before browns tract pond, but it was snowing hard and i was only going 20mph when i hit it. It hit my front suspension/ski and that was it. No real damage, just got shaken up a bit. Then, on trail 5 two deer ran out in front of me again when it was snowing really hard at that point and i just tapped the break closed my eyes and hoped for the best. The one deer actually hit my back and knocked me off the sled. Again, luckily with no damage to the sled, and my back kinda hurt a bit. Now my buddy riding behind me on the F7, not so lucky. He then hit the deer and smashed the hood up good. It was his bros sled, i had to vouch that it wasn't a moving tree. I guess we lucked out, irony was that it was snowing soo hard sat night, that i didn't feel comfortable driving fast, and that probably saved us/sleds.

We went back and pulled the deer off the trail.

Man Piped - you had a very interesting ride !

BTW - 'loose and wet'... I like that one ! hehehehe

Indian Lake on Saturday was pretty darn nice, we still encountered some powder as late as 10:30 am on the trail from the parking lot up to Inlet. Stopped for lunch at the Ole Barn and then headed towards Stillwater but had to turn back because they plowed Big Moose Rd. bare and it was getting pretty warm in the early afternoon. It would have been nice if they could have left some snow on the sides since it is a trail on the map. Anyway we played on the lake for a bit and the Attak was eating up my brother's 1000 gade. Headed back to the parking lot and hit some nice stutters on the ride down, the conditions closer to Indian Lake seemed much better than the Inlet area, almost all of the trails we ran in that area were wet and slushy, but quite the opposite near IL.

This was my first trip to that area, nice day trip, and I will certainly return next season.