How does Mr. T run with the new F1000 and Mach Z? Will mine still take these sleds in 660', 1320'(quarter mile)?
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It should do fine in that distance with clutching and gear. F1000....an F5 could beat one!
70 chevelle, have you rode a f 1000, dident think so, best sled i have owned, i cant stay 0ff it, but thanks for your stupid comments, ben
I have to agree those F1000's are really nice sleds then seem pretty sturdy. I wouldnt mine buying one .
I have never raced a f1000 but I have raced many MACH Z's 2005 to 2007 and the t-cat can run with them pretty even to 100 MPH but then the MACH Z starts to pull away.
I would have thought the other way around.
I think with the new big twins , it's whatever is prepped better, I like the f1000 better though, but when you talk about top speed over 2000" plus, I don't think you can beat a modified Artic tripple, longest legs period!The F1000 is I think the best all around muscle sled ever made though, it's suspension is like nothing I've ever been on!
yea id say your better in 1320 then 660.... i took a couple t-cats in 660 even one with jaws pipes the twin will be faster in 660 while the triple will pull the 1320 cause at 660 mark the t-cat was jsut kicking in REAL hard... and would of gone right by me by 1320 id say
Been a few machZ 1000's and F1000's that come to the radar runs and i havn;t seen one break 110mph in 2000 feet yet this year and cant even count howmeny t-cats over 110.
Actualy there was a f1000 there sunday with a Y pipe and single pipe and some clutch work that got 104 in 2000
Actualy there was a f1000 there sunday with a Y pipe and single pipe and some clutch work that got 104 in 2000
at the radar runs here the mach z and f cat cant even run with the f-7's. the stock t cats are running 118-120 in 1000'. my xcr ran 116 and some machs, apex's and f cats have all been around the 98-106 mark. there was a guy that posted a 1200 with nos ran 117 in 1000'. thats not even in the same legue as speed as a 1200 t cat. a 1200 t cat would be in the 145 mark.
id put my tcat up against any mach or f1000 that is comparable. ive ran a few machs and f1000's that have more mods than i do. yeah the pull me for about 50-75 feet out of the hole. after that its pretty embarrasing how fast i blow them away
QUOTE(bjankuski @ Mar 5 2007, 03:30 PM) 
I have never raced a f1000 but I have raced many MACH Z's 2005 to 2007 and the t-cat can run with them pretty even to 100 MPH but then the MACH Z starts to pull away.
That's not what I would have thought either. It's sad if a twin has longer legs than the ole triple.
I know the F1000's are nice sleds and all, but with the F8's being able to top out around 104 MPH, the 1000's really are a let down in my book (based on what actual owners are saying they are getting for top end w/the 1000's). If I was compelled to get a new sled, I think I would go with the F8 so I wouldn't feel cheated on performance/$$$.
QUOTE(madcow @ Mar 6 2007, 07:27 PM)
at the radar runs here the mach z and f cat cant even run with the f-7's. the stock t cats are running 118-120 in 1000'. my xcr ran 116 and some machs, apex's and f cats have all been around the 98-106 mark. there was a guy that posted a 1200 with nos ran 117 in 1000'. thats not even in the same legue as speed as a 1200 t cat. a 1200 t cat would be in the 145 mark.
Stock T-cats running 118-120 in 1000ft !!! LOL!!!!!
QUOTE(800ho @ Mar 30 2007, 06:57 PM)
Stock T-cats running 118-120 in 1000ft !!! LOL!!!!!
yea I'd have to agree with this one. My stock 2000 T-cat w/ 6000 miles and a D&D trail clutch kit will only run 110-113 mph w/ a 135# driver in a 1000' feet. I guess I don't understand the thrill of running any longer than 660' on ice/snow 1320' on asphault or 500'on the grass. Wouldn't the rush come from A-B the fastest.
Stock T-cats running 118-120 in 1000ft !!! LOL!!!!!
look it up smarty
cmsaracing.com
you do not see any f-1000's or mach z 1000's in the stock or improved stock classes because they are not fast enough to make 3rd place. they are a joke. like I said I put a topic up on the cat board trying to get radar run numbers. and out of several pages of being attacked there was maybe 3 people that posted speeds.
the only f cats or mach z s that have beat me at a sactioned race are big bores or on nos. so a 1000 with 170 hp has to have a 40 shot of nos to beat an old fat pig triple with only 180 hp? doesnt seem fair. I should get the nos since I have an 800.
this is a win win for me. if I beat a 1000 sled I did it with an 800. if I ever do get beat by one of the new turds hey they had a 1000 they should beat me.
look it up smarty
cmsaracing.com
you do not see any f-1000's or mach z 1000's in the stock or improved stock classes because they are not fast enough to make 3rd place. they are a joke. like I said I put a topic up on the cat board trying to get radar run numbers. and out of several pages of being attacked there was maybe 3 people that posted speeds.
the only f cats or mach z s that have beat me at a sactioned race are big bores or on nos. so a 1000 with 170 hp has to have a 40 shot of nos to beat an old fat pig triple with only 180 hp? doesnt seem fair. I should get the nos since I have an 800.
this is a win win for me. if I beat a 1000 sled I did it with an 800. if I ever do get beat by one of the new turds hey they had a 1000 they should beat me.
QUOTE(madcow @ Mar 31 2007, 09:34 AM)
Stock T-cats running 118-120 in 1000ft !!! LOL!!!!!
look it up smarty
cmsaracing.com
you do not see any f-1000's or mach z 1000's in the stock or improved stock classes because they are not fast enough to make 3rd place. they are a joke. like I said I put a topic up on the cat board trying to get radar run numbers. and out of several pages of being attacked there was maybe 3 people that posted speeds.
the only f cats or mach z s that have beat me at a sactioned race are big bores or on nos. so a 1000 with 170 hp has to have a 40 shot of nos to beat an old fat pig triple with only 180 hp? doesnt seem fair. I should get the nos since I have an 800.
this is a win win for me. if I beat a 1000 sled I did it with an 800. if I ever do get beat by one of the new turds hey they had a 1000 they should beat me.
look it up smarty
cmsaracing.com
you do not see any f-1000's or mach z 1000's in the stock or improved stock classes because they are not fast enough to make 3rd place. they are a joke. like I said I put a topic up on the cat board trying to get radar run numbers. and out of several pages of being attacked there was maybe 3 people that posted speeds.
the only f cats or mach z s that have beat me at a sactioned race are big bores or on nos. so a 1000 with 170 hp has to have a 40 shot of nos to beat an old fat pig triple with only 180 hp? doesnt seem fair. I should get the nos since I have an 800.
this is a win win for me. if I beat a 1000 sled I did it with an 800. if I ever do get beat by one of the new turds hey they had a 1000 they should beat me.
Maybe you should study up on your own link, stock T-Cat's at 120mph, and MachZ 1000/F1000's winning improved/pro classes.
Macgregor
Stock 1000
James Eckardt Arctic Thunder Cat 120.000
Annandale
Stock 1000
James Eckardt Arctic Thunder Cat 120.334
I don't know guys ..........
I have bean racing a long time.......120mph in 1000 stock? Very hard to swallow. That is not just fast, thats rocking quick. I raced in North Bay Ont. Canada in Feb. I would have to say,in Ont.......the fastest come to north bay.(ask anybody). I wanted to run in and defend my title in Bonfield(trail open modified) but the races were shut down due to lack of snow. So I went to watch the races in NorthBay, but you know how it is, even when you know you are about to get your ass handed to you...... f@#$ it you run any way. It was a training day for the new sleds. My T and another held class in the trail open........the trail open f1000 and moch 1000 were not even in the same zip code. I ran a top of 120.8 in 1500 and the other T ran 121mph even.Hard to lose by .2mph but to another T .....OK. Not one F or Moch broke 110.most of both makes landed around 106. By the way they were modded as well because there is a stock trail class for them as well that they could have gone in if they were stock. And by the way I also ran at Peterborough speedway and it was worse. People were leaving till I pulled the old T off the trailer and made a few passes. The T wheellied hard the whole length of the track every time. I ran all who wanted to go( some side by side and some four across) I ran around 40 times, all day only an F7, cross 7 and a rev 440 with a mod 800 were close. and by the way guys get this.....................................................400feet on grass!!!!! call the owner if you need to confirm. Sorry for the long post but I was hoping that this post would put this issue into perspective.........compare, the T is still more than a worthy racer and he still deserves to be called mister!!!!
Long live the King!!!!!!!!
I have bean racing a long time.......120mph in 1000 stock? Very hard to swallow. That is not just fast, thats rocking quick. I raced in North Bay Ont. Canada in Feb. I would have to say,in Ont.......the fastest come to north bay.(ask anybody). I wanted to run in and defend my title in Bonfield(trail open modified) but the races were shut down due to lack of snow. So I went to watch the races in NorthBay, but you know how it is, even when you know you are about to get your ass handed to you...... f@#$ it you run any way. It was a training day for the new sleds. My T and another held class in the trail open........the trail open f1000 and moch 1000 were not even in the same zip code. I ran a top of 120.8 in 1500 and the other T ran 121mph even.Hard to lose by .2mph but to another T .....OK. Not one F or Moch broke 110.most of both makes landed around 106. By the way they were modded as well because there is a stock trail class for them as well that they could have gone in if they were stock. And by the way I also ran at Peterborough speedway and it was worse. People were leaving till I pulled the old T off the trailer and made a few passes. The T wheellied hard the whole length of the track every time. I ran all who wanted to go( some side by side and some four across) I ran around 40 times, all day only an F7, cross 7 and a rev 440 with a mod 800 were close. and by the way guys get this.....................................................400feet on grass!!!!! call the owner if you need to confirm. Sorry for the long post but I was hoping that this post would put this issue into perspective.........compare, the T is still more than a worthy racer and he still deserves to be called mister!!!!
Long live the King!!!!!!!!
wow I stand corrected? I remeber watching ron a couple years ago at cmsa struggleing to get 113 out of that mach z. he must have got it dialed in now.
I dont understand why the guys in northbay are not a lot faster than the 1000' guys?
I dont understand why the guys in northbay are not a lot faster than the 1000' guys?
Guys there are a few good running 98 tcat 1000's they are running these speeds I know one oof the guys running them the 98's are the only year you can gt to mph.These selds are legit they get tore down at every race and everything gets measured.They are probaly the best tech guys there is they tech for the nsra grass drag circuit too.The guy with f7's are legal too running 115in a 100ft reprogramming the cdi box is legal.Thes sleds are set up strictly for speed running only.
QUOTE(classicstream @ Apr 1 2007, 10:28 AM)
I don't know guys ..........
I have bean racing a long time.......120mph in 1000 stock? Very hard to swallow. That is not just fast, thats rocking quick. I raced in North Bay Ont. Canada in Feb. I would have to say,in Ont.......the fastest come to north bay.(ask anybody). I wanted to run in and defend my title in Bonfield(trail open modified) but the races were shut down due to lack of snow. So I went to watch the races in NorthBay, but you know how it is, even when you know you are about to get your ass handed to you...... f@#$ it you run any way. It was a training day for the new sleds. My T and another held class in the trail open........the trail open f1000 and moch 1000 were not even in the same zip code. I ran a top of 120.8 in 1500 and the other T ran 121mph even.Hard to lose by .2mph but to another T .....OK. Not one F or Moch broke 110.most of both makes landed around 106. By the way they were modded as well because there is a stock trail class for them as well that they could have gone in if they were stock. And by the way I also ran at Peterborough speedway and it was worse. People were leaving till I pulled the old T off the trailer and made a few passes. The T wheellied hard the whole length of the track every time. I ran all who wanted to go( some side by side and some four across) I ran around 40 times, all day only an F7, cross 7 and a rev 440 with a mod 800 were close. and by the way guys get this.....................................................400feet on grass!!!!! call the owner if you need to confirm. Sorry for the long post but I was hoping that this post would put this issue into perspective.........compare, the T is still more than a worthy racer and he still deserves to be called mister!!!!
Long live the King!!!!!!!!
I have bean racing a long time.......120mph in 1000 stock? Very hard to swallow. That is not just fast, thats rocking quick. I raced in North Bay Ont. Canada in Feb. I would have to say,in Ont.......the fastest come to north bay.(ask anybody). I wanted to run in and defend my title in Bonfield(trail open modified) but the races were shut down due to lack of snow. So I went to watch the races in NorthBay, but you know how it is, even when you know you are about to get your ass handed to you...... f@#$ it you run any way. It was a training day for the new sleds. My T and another held class in the trail open........the trail open f1000 and moch 1000 were not even in the same zip code. I ran a top of 120.8 in 1500 and the other T ran 121mph even.Hard to lose by .2mph but to another T .....OK. Not one F or Moch broke 110.most of both makes landed around 106. By the way they were modded as well because there is a stock trail class for them as well that they could have gone in if they were stock. And by the way I also ran at Peterborough speedway and it was worse. People were leaving till I pulled the old T off the trailer and made a few passes. The T wheellied hard the whole length of the track every time. I ran all who wanted to go( some side by side and some four across) I ran around 40 times, all day only an F7, cross 7 and a rev 440 with a mod 800 were close. and by the way guys get this.....................................................400feet on grass!!!!! call the owner if you need to confirm. Sorry for the long post but I was hoping that this post would put this issue into perspective.........compare, the T is still more than a worthy racer and he still deserves to be called mister!!!!
Long live the King!!!!!!!!
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Nice going Clasic.....
The NUMBERS speak for themself, and they DON'T LIE.
MISTER "T" is still living LARGE!
QUOTE(classicstream @ Apr 1 2007, 10:28 AM)
I don't know guys ..........
I have bean racing a long time.......120mph in 1000 stock? Very hard to swallow. That is not just fast, thats rocking quick. I raced in North Bay Ont. Canada in Feb. I would have to say,in Ont.......the fastest come to north bay.(ask anybody). I wanted to run in and defend my title in Bonfield(trail open modified) but the races were shut down due to lack of snow. So I went to watch the races in NorthBay, but you know how it is, even when you know you are about to get your ass handed to you...... f@#$ it you run any way. It was a training day for the new sleds. My T and another held class in the trail open........the trail open f1000 and moch 1000 were not even in the same zip code. I ran a top of 120.8 in 1500 and the other T ran 121mph even.Hard to lose by .2mph but to another T .....OK. Not one F or Moch broke 110.most of both makes landed around 106. By the way they were modded as well because there is a stock trail class for them as well that they could have gone in if they were stock. And by the way I also ran at Peterborough speedway and it was worse. People were leaving till I pulled the old T off the trailer and made a few passes. The T wheellied hard the whole length of the track every time. I ran all who wanted to go( some side by side and some four across) I ran around 40 times, all day only an F7, cross 7 and a rev 440 with a mod 800 were close. and by the way guys get this.....................................................400feet on grass!!!!! call the owner if you need to confirm. Sorry for the long post but I was hoping that this post would put this issue into perspective.........compare, the T is still more than a worthy racer and he still deserves to be called mister!!!!
Long live the King!!!!!!!!
I have bean racing a long time.......120mph in 1000 stock? Very hard to swallow. That is not just fast, thats rocking quick. I raced in North Bay Ont. Canada in Feb. I would have to say,in Ont.......the fastest come to north bay.(ask anybody). I wanted to run in and defend my title in Bonfield(trail open modified) but the races were shut down due to lack of snow. So I went to watch the races in NorthBay, but you know how it is, even when you know you are about to get your ass handed to you...... f@#$ it you run any way. It was a training day for the new sleds. My T and another held class in the trail open........the trail open f1000 and moch 1000 were not even in the same zip code. I ran a top of 120.8 in 1500 and the other T ran 121mph even.Hard to lose by .2mph but to another T .....OK. Not one F or Moch broke 110.most of both makes landed around 106. By the way they were modded as well because there is a stock trail class for them as well that they could have gone in if they were stock. And by the way I also ran at Peterborough speedway and it was worse. People were leaving till I pulled the old T off the trailer and made a few passes. The T wheellied hard the whole length of the track every time. I ran all who wanted to go( some side by side and some four across) I ran around 40 times, all day only an F7, cross 7 and a rev 440 with a mod 800 were close. and by the way guys get this.....................................................400feet on grass!!!!! call the owner if you need to confirm. Sorry for the long post but I was hoping that this post would put this issue into perspective.........compare, the T is still more than a worthy racer and he still deserves to be called mister!!!!
Long live the King!!!!!!!!
Well I was at that race in North Bay also . You ran my friends sled and he has asked me to set the record straight.Here is the results from the North bay site.
1000 Open 1-Paul Wyszynski 122.6 t-cat
2-Ron Patterson 120.8 t-cat
So you are a little off in your speed. I know your motor man is Jeff at Birch Point. The sled you ran against has a motor done by PSI. Just thought you might want to know. We are are from the Kitchener area. We have 19 T cats in the group of 4 guys . I just picked up a sled built by Jeff a couple of weelends ago. This sled has a very infamous history from that area. When we get it fixed we will have a 1107 to run up In the Bay next year.
Wow things are getting HEAVY!!Here in the sticks we just go out and pass cars in the ditch for fun!! 
Good luck next year to all of you speed guys and racers that love the BIG triple 
Good luck next year to all of you speed guys and racers that love the BIG triple
haha so put a lower windhield on, less carbide, maybe a gallon or two less gas and that will be your 2mph difference....
QUOTE(madcow @ Mar 31 2007, 08:34 AM)
Stock T-cats running 118-120 in 1000ft !!! LOL!!!!!
look it up smarty
cmsaracing.com
you do not see any f-1000's or mach z 1000's in the stock or improved stock classes because they are not fast enough to make 3rd place. they are a joke. like I said I put a topic up on the cat board trying to get radar run numbers. and out of several pages of being attacked there was maybe 3 people that posted speeds.
the only f cats or mach z s that have beat me at a sactioned race are big bores or on nos. so a 1000 with 170 hp has to have a 40 shot of nos to beat an old fat pig triple with only 180 hp? doesnt seem fair. I should get the nos since I have an 800.
this is a win win for me. if I beat a 1000 sled I did it with an 800. if I ever do get beat by one of the new turds hey they had a 1000 they should beat me.
look it up smarty
cmsaracing.com
you do not see any f-1000's or mach z 1000's in the stock or improved stock classes because they are not fast enough to make 3rd place. they are a joke. like I said I put a topic up on the cat board trying to get radar run numbers. and out of several pages of being attacked there was maybe 3 people that posted speeds.
the only f cats or mach z s that have beat me at a sactioned race are big bores or on nos. so a 1000 with 170 hp has to have a 40 shot of nos to beat an old fat pig triple with only 180 hp? doesnt seem fair. I should get the nos since I have an 800.
this is a win win for me. if I beat a 1000 sled I did it with an 800. if I ever do get beat by one of the new turds hey they had a 1000 they should beat me.
haydays 1st and 2nd place 1000 stock ...f1000
world series 1st place 1000 stock...f1000.
not fast enough for stock classes eh!!!!!!!lol.......is radar running even considered racing...not to most
who cares about 660 feet for most people. so what.. there are sleds out there that are gonna beat me in 660'. they are still gonna look like retards when i blow them away running down the lake. And yes i do agree there are some really fast smaller sleds out there BUT they are not reliable. i met up with a guy this winter with an F7 done right up. it did like 120 but he could only hold it for about 1/3 of a mile, and it stared heating up etc.. what fun is that. ive held my tcat to the bar for 10 miles and it loved every minute of it.
I dont stand corrected the machz 1000 speeds are triples. 800machs pushed up to 1000cc's.
for racing is to each his own. I consider a 500 foot drag to be a waste of time. how many trails are 500' long. my 800 xcr did 94 in 500' on pump gas with trail clutching and 25-36 gearing. with a half of tank of gas.
how fast were the 800 twin improvers at haydays? running 1 gallon of gas at about 100 lbs lighter than me. with high compression race motors and setup just for 500'?
the f1000 is a turd plain and simple. any new sled rides nice and handles rough trails. but with a good pair of shocks so can any older sled.
and there not any lighter than a triple sled, my xcr 800 wieghs just over 510 lbs. what does that turd f cat weigh?
but the f 1000 is sold as a lake sled, but a lake sled it is not it is slow. both the mach z 1000 and f cat need lots of tunning to get them to do anything for speed.
from other peoples postings I have several videos of 2500 ' runs were the 1000 twins are tunning and working to get 120. and some of them never break 110. the one is funny because the fastest sled out of a group of 1000 machs is an old mach z 780. he does 135. then is a 1000 mach at 121. then a yammi srx stock at 118 and the rest are mach z twins and smaller twins after that trying to break 100 mph.
for racing is to each his own. I consider a 500 foot drag to be a waste of time. how many trails are 500' long. my 800 xcr did 94 in 500' on pump gas with trail clutching and 25-36 gearing. with a half of tank of gas.
how fast were the 800 twin improvers at haydays? running 1 gallon of gas at about 100 lbs lighter than me. with high compression race motors and setup just for 500'?
the f1000 is a turd plain and simple. any new sled rides nice and handles rough trails. but with a good pair of shocks so can any older sled.
and there not any lighter than a triple sled, my xcr 800 wieghs just over 510 lbs. what does that turd f cat weigh?
but the f 1000 is sold as a lake sled, but a lake sled it is not it is slow. both the mach z 1000 and f cat need lots of tunning to get them to do anything for speed.
from other peoples postings I have several videos of 2500 ' runs were the 1000 twins are tunning and working to get 120. and some of them never break 110. the one is funny because the fastest sled out of a group of 1000 machs is an old mach z 780. he does 135. then is a 1000 mach at 121. then a yammi srx stock at 118 and the rest are mach z twins and smaller twins after that trying to break 100 mph.
QUOTE(rcat7 @ Apr 5 2007, 05:03 PM)
Well I was at that race in North Bay also . You ran my friends sled and he has asked me to set the record straight.Here is the results from the North bay site.
1000 Open 1-Paul Wyszynski 122.6 t-cat
2-Ron Patterson 120.8 t-cat
So you are a little off in your speed. I know your motor man is Jeff at Birch Point. The sled you ran against has a motor done by PSI. Just thought you might want to know. We are are from the Kitchener area. We have 19 T cats in the group of 4 guys . I just picked up a sled built by Jeff a couple of weelends ago. This sled has a very infamous history from that area. When we get it fixed we will have a 1107 to run up In the Bay next year.
1000 Open 1-Paul Wyszynski 122.6 t-cat
2-Ron Patterson 120.8 t-cat
So you are a little off in your speed. I know your motor man is Jeff at Birch Point. The sled you ran against has a motor done by PSI. Just thought you might want to know. We are are from the Kitchener area. We have 19 T cats in the group of 4 guys . I just picked up a sled built by Jeff a couple of weelends ago. This sled has a very infamous history from that area. When we get it fixed we will have a 1107 to run up In the Bay next year.
How long was the track in north bay??
QUOTE(THUNDER333 @ Apr 6 2007, 08:53 AM)
haydays 1st and 2nd place 1000 stock ...f1000
world series 1st place 1000 stock...f1000.
not fast enough for stock classes eh!!!!!!!lol.......is radar running even considered racing...not to most
world series 1st place 1000 stock...f1000.
not fast enough for stock classes eh!!!!!!!lol.......is radar running even considered racing...not to most
Well here in Ontario where the lakes are long top speed rules. For every sanctioned drag race pass
,there is a ungodly high number of impromptu lake races. And from these lake races the sport of radar running evolved.
So my point is.....is drag racing even considered racing...well for a small minority it may be!!!!
But life starts at 3000 feet and sanctioned events are for a few individuals, but most of us run what you brung!
North Bay is 2000 feet in length
QUOTE(rcat7 @ Apr 6 2007, 09:29 AM)
Well here in Ontario where the lakes are long top speed rules. For every sanctioned drag race pass
,there is a ungodly high number of impromptu lake races. And from these lake races the sport of radar running evolved.
So my point is.....is drag racing even considered racing...well for a small minority it may be!!!!
But life starts at 3000 feet and sanctioned events are for a few individuals but most of us run what you brung!
North Bay is 2000 feet in length
,there is a ungodly high number of impromptu lake races. And from these lake races the sport of radar running evolved.
So my point is.....is drag racing even considered racing...well for a small minority it may be!!!!
But life starts at 3000 feet and sanctioned events are for a few individuals but most of us run what you brung!
North Bay is 2000 feet in length
i was there the weekend of feb 24, the day with the 80 km head wind.. i couldnt remember how long the track was... i took second place that day in the trail open class 117.5, i could have put it in 1000 stock and won.
QUOTE(madcow @ Apr 6 2007, 09:25 AM)
I dont stand corrected the machz 1000 speeds are triples. 800machs pushed up to 1000cc's.
for racing is to each his own. I consider a 500 foot drag to be a waste of time. how many trails are 500' long. my 800 xcr did 94 in 500' on pump gas with trail clutching and 25-36 gearing. with a half of tank of gas.
how fast were the 800 twin improvers at haydays? running 1 gallon of gas at about 100 lbs lighter than me. with high compression race motors and setup just for 500'?
the f1000 is a turd plain and simple. any new sled rides nice and handles rough trails. but with a good pair of shocks so can any older sled.
and there not any lighter than a triple sled, my xcr 800 wieghs just over 510 lbs. what does that turd f cat weigh?
but the f 1000 is sold as a lake sled, but a lake sled it is not it is slow. both the mach z 1000 and f cat need lots of tunning to get them to do anything for speed.
from other peoples postings I have several videos of 2500 ' runs were the 1000 twins are tunning and working to get 120. and some of them never break 110. the one is funny because the fastest sled out of a group of 1000 machs is an old mach z 780. he does 135. then is a 1000 mach at 121. then a yammi srx stock at 118 and the rest are mach z twins and smaller twins after that trying to break 100 mph.
for racing is to each his own. I consider a 500 foot drag to be a waste of time. how many trails are 500' long. my 800 xcr did 94 in 500' on pump gas with trail clutching and 25-36 gearing. with a half of tank of gas.
how fast were the 800 twin improvers at haydays? running 1 gallon of gas at about 100 lbs lighter than me. with high compression race motors and setup just for 500'?
the f1000 is a turd plain and simple. any new sled rides nice and handles rough trails. but with a good pair of shocks so can any older sled.
and there not any lighter than a triple sled, my xcr 800 wieghs just over 510 lbs. what does that turd f cat weigh?
but the f 1000 is sold as a lake sled, but a lake sled it is not it is slow. both the mach z 1000 and f cat need lots of tunning to get them to do anything for speed.
from other peoples postings I have several videos of 2500 ' runs were the 1000 twins are tunning and working to get 120. and some of them never break 110. the one is funny because the fastest sled out of a group of 1000 machs is an old mach z 780. he does 135. then is a 1000 mach at 121. then a yammi srx stock at 118 and the rest are mach z twins and smaller twins after that trying to break 100 mph.
Stop just stop, stick to stuff that is believable at least.
whats not believeable?
Madcow some people don't undertsnad what a properly tuned sled setr up just for speed runs is capable of.Guy's check out the website below for relults.
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QUOTE(rcat7 @ Apr 5 2007, 03:03 PM)
Well I was at that race in North Bay also . You ran my friends sled and he has asked me to set the record straight.Here is the results from the North bay site.
1000 Open 1-Paul Wyszynski 122.6 t-cat
2-Ron Patterson 120.8 t-cat
So you are a little off in your speed. I know your motor man is Jeff at Birch Point. The sled you ran against has a motor done by PSI. Just thought you might want to know. We are are from the Kitchener area. We have 19 T cats in the group of 4 guys . I just picked up a sled built by Jeff a couple of weelends ago. This sled has a very infamous history from that area. When we get it fixed we will have a 1107 to run up In the Bay next year.
1000 Open 1-Paul Wyszynski 122.6 t-cat
2-Ron Patterson 120.8 t-cat
So you are a little off in your speed. I know your motor man is Jeff at Birch Point. The sled you ran against has a motor done by PSI. Just thought you might want to know. We are are from the Kitchener area. We have 19 T cats in the group of 4 guys . I just picked up a sled built by Jeff a couple of weelends ago. This sled has a very infamous history from that area. When we get it fixed we will have a 1107 to run up In the Bay next year.
hey rcat7,i have a 99 tcat done buy jeff and it kicks the shit out of my chums,98 zrt 1107 done buy the now out of comission,psi,i can run127 in 2000 feet,i know unverified and know the sled you bought well.look forward to running you next year???
I never saw those top speeds with my 99 1108. I still have dialing in to do, but 116 in 1200 or so was the best. I think I never have gotten past a 1 to 1 shift. BUT It seems more evident that the canadian sleds can get more top end. Even with identiacal setups. Dismissing the temperature differnce, I wonder about the density of the air? Maybe I am just grasping!
Long live the triple! Lets keep them beating everything thrown at them!
Long live the triple! Lets keep them beating everything thrown at them!
QUOTE(mikesnowman @ Apr 13 2007, 08:04 AM)
I never saw those top speeds with my 99 1108. I still have dialing in to do, but 116 in 1200 or so was the best. I think I never have gotten past a 1 to 1 shift. BUT It seems more evident that the canadian sleds can get more top end. Even with identiacal setups. Dismissing the temperature differnce, I wonder about the density of the air? Maybe I am just grasping!
Long live the triple! Lets keep them beating everything thrown at them!
Long live the triple! Lets keep them beating everything thrown at them!
Strange you should bring this up. I have wondered myself a few times why the majority of US sleds "seem" to run slow speed's. Is the air different like you say? Or do the guns lie?
I would be interested in hearing some conjecture on this phenomenon. I by no means do I believe that Canadian sleds are faster then US sleds. But some thing is going on here.
QUOTE(super late model pilot @ Apr 13 2007, 12:07 AM)
hey rcat7,i have a 99 tcat done buy jeff and it kicks the shit out of my chums,98 zrt 1107 done buy the now out of comission,psi,i can run127 in 2000 feet,i know unverified and know the sled you bought well.look forward to running you next year???
I know PSI is held in poor regard in the snowmobile world. I myself do not have any PSI stuff at the moment. But I have a Buddie who runs a PSI 1000 that really rocks. The sled is dead nuts reliable and fast. Sounds like a good company to built motors. I my self run a 1107 based on DD F5 Twister cylinders. I had problems with setting up bear cats on the sled this winter and only had good results with the stock cat clutches. I waisted so much time with the bear cats trying to get good top end. I found that the stock clutches ran better for speed runs and bear cats for drag racing. I will get this sled sorted out next winter. But a small problem has arose. I bought another Tcat. This one is a 02 that I will make into my trail sled. With a Arnie 1000 and DD pipes or maybe some CPR pipes and Boysen rad valves. The only good thing about having parts is you can try a lot of stuff but then you can waist a lot of time trying this stuff.
I have to be sick!!!!!!!
This performance bug really has a bite on me.
And as far as running you next year. Sounds great to me. I have won some and lost some. But it is always fun.
When it becomes serious I will quit, but for now its all in FUN.
But for now back to eBay and all the classified sections on Hardcore, Amsnow.Snowest and Artic chat. God I have this bug bad!!!!!
QUOTE(rcat7 @ Apr 13 2007, 05:51 PM)
Strange you should bring this up. I have wondered myself a few times why the majority of US sleds "seem" to run slow speed's. Is the air different like you say? Or do the guns lie?
I would be interested in hearing some conjecture on this phenomenon. I by no means do I believe that Canadian sleds are faster then US sleds. But some thing is going on here.
I would be interested in hearing some conjecture on this phenomenon. I by no means do I believe that Canadian sleds are faster then US sleds. But some thing is going on here.
Maybe there is something different about the blending of the fuels? I only run pump gas premium no ethanol, but octane is around 92 if I am lucky.
The higher the air density the more HP you will make, the denser air is more air so you can add more fuel ,=making more HP.Also Mike you run premium if you need it ,higher comp or advanced timing, and if you do not need prenium and run it it will cost you HP because of the slower speed of the flame travel,combustion. My 2 cents.
My friend has a 1998 Thundercat 1000 and he's plannin on gettin the Black Magic whoop-ass kit.He's aiming to beat the new mach z's,although never raced one,he just wants to make sure he can win em.You guys think he's in the clear? 
QUOTE(shortrider72 @ Apr 23 2007, 02:30 PM)
My friend has a 1998 Thundercat 1000 and he's plannin on gettin the Black Magic whoop-ass kit.He's aiming to beat the new mach z's,although never raced one,he just wants to make sure he can win em.You guys think he's in the clear?
i have no problems taking down new mach z's with mine. i think he will be more than fine. he can probably beat one now if hes got a good setup in it
why some thundercat 1100cc can do 130mph over and some other can break 120mph with the similar set-up
alot of fact ,but
the big point on it is how your cylinder is ported
on dyno,I saw thunder with 220hp + but on track this sled do nothing good...why.... maybe the porting form???
I really prefer sled with lower hp,but great torque
alot of guy run with bad cylinder porting,that,s what I can see here
alot of guy buy used big bore with lower price ,but lower hp too
don,t hammer me on this... but this is the fact you need to see
put your sled on dyno!!!!! i,m sure some will be very sad of the hp number and torque
alot of fact ,but
the big point on it is how your cylinder is ported
on dyno,I saw thunder with 220hp + but on track this sled do nothing good...why.... maybe the porting form???
I really prefer sled with lower hp,but great torque
alot of guy run with bad cylinder porting,that,s what I can see here
alot of guy buy used big bore with lower price ,but lower hp too
don,t hammer me on this... but this is the fact you need to see
put your sled on dyno!!!!! i,m sure some will be very sad of the hp number and torque
QUOTE(rcat7 @ Apr 6 2007, 09:29 AM)
Well here in Ontario where the lakes are long top speed rules. For every sanctioned drag race pass
,there is a ungodly high number of impromptu lake races. And from these lake races the sport of radar running evolved.
So my point is.....is drag racing even considered racing...well for a small minority it may be!!!!
But life starts at 3000 feet and sanctioned events are for a few individuals, but most of us run what you brung!
North Bay is 2000 feet in length
,there is a ungodly high number of impromptu lake races. And from these lake races the sport of radar running evolved.
So my point is.....is drag racing even considered racing...well for a small minority it may be!!!!
But life starts at 3000 feet and sanctioned events are for a few individuals, but most of us run what you brung!
North Bay is 2000 feet in length
Tell your buddy congrats on sqeezing a little more out of his sled!!! I must of left allready. Ither way great to see. By the way that day the cross wind was nasty, and the guys at the track told me they set the lengh at 1500 (normally at 2000ft) due to that. I took them for there word.
be safe ...........classic
QUOTE(classicstream @ Apr 25 2007, 08:33 AM)
Tell your buddy congrats on sqeezing a little more out of his sled!!! I must of left allready. Ither way great to see. By the way that day the cross wind was nasty, and the guys at the track told me they set the lengh at 1500 (normally at 2000ft) due to that. I took them for there word.
be safe ...........classic
be safe ...........classic
what weekend was this???
Well Rcat7, although I only own 2 of the triples in our herd, I would have to say things here in central ontario are heating up for the 08 winter. What with all the big triples in the pack and too many hormones, I can see an NOS equipped 1220 in the near future! I hope the rest of the crew can muster some more speed!!Just to clarify, there are 5 of us in case you forgot and by my count the total is 17. I can only hope that Pauls wish can come true and we can get them all together at one time for a group (of complete idiots)shot!! Well I guess it's all in fun like you said, I just think we all as T-cat owners need to collectively share more info to stay ahead of brand X.
QUOTE(burns @ Apr 25 2007, 09:25 PM)
Well Rcat7, although I only own 2 of the triples in our herd, I would have to say things here in central ontario are heating up for the 08 winter. What with all the big triples in the pack and too many hormones, I can see an NOS equipped 1220 in the near future! I hope the rest of the crew can muster some more speed!!Just to clarify, there are 5 of us in case you forgot and by my count the total is 17. I can only hope that Pauls wish can come true and we can get them all together at one time for a group (of complete idiots)shot!! Well I guess it's all in fun like you said, I just think we all as T-cat owners need to collectively share more info to stay ahead of brand X.
Well I have to apologize my memory is not as good as it us to be. I forgot about you MR Burns!!!!!And we are going to get two more sleds this Saturday from Michigan.
the f1000 is a turd plain and simple. any new sled rides nice and handles rough trails. but with a good pair of shocks so can any older sled.
and there not any lighter than a triple sled, my xcr 800 wieghs just over 510 lbs. what does that turd f cat weigh?
Sorry dude, but I call
on your XCR 800 weighing just over 510 lbs....maybe 550+...dry
and there not any lighter than a triple sled, my xcr 800 wieghs just over 510 lbs. what does that turd f cat weigh?
Sorry dude, but I call
on your XCR 800 weighing just over 510 lbs....maybe 550+...dry
555 lbs dry stock.
light wieght hood -20
pipes and silencers -18
light wieght front suspension -5
your right I was lying, comes in around 512 according to the math. lol sorry about that.
light wieght hood -20
pipes and silencers -18
light wieght front suspension -5
your right I was lying, comes in around 512 according to the math. lol sorry about that.
Madcow knows his stuff! And his numbers are correct. But there are some really fast f1000s and some fast Mach Zs but for the most part they dont compete in the long race!
I also know my stuff!!!!
I race asphalt and have a bone stock 440 with some clutching and gearing that runs 108 in the 1320 and its a 440.
I also just picked up a 98 T-cat wich im hoping to get a hell of alot more out of! But havent started on it yet!
I also know my stuff!!!!
I race asphalt and have a bone stock 440 with some clutching and gearing that runs 108 in the 1320 and its a 440.
I also just picked up a 98 T-cat wich im hoping to get a hell of alot more out of! But havent started on it yet!
When the sleds drop, The bullshit stops
QUOTE(slick_smooth_triple @ Mar 3 2007, 12:58 PM)
How does Mr. T run with the new F1000 and Mach Z? Will mine still take these sleds in 660', 1320'(quarter mile)?
around 260 studs
power breather
clutched at 4,000 rpms
v-force reedvalves
around 260 studs
power breather
clutched at 4,000 rpms
v-force reedvalves
Mr T will do very fine, except dragcat 980 is goin to make you earn it, the mighty t-cat is the the last new sled I have bought since 1999, I got a 99 ZR on the cat factory drag program and got rid of it after drag racing in the mud at epping new hampshire that year, before I kicked the competion on the ZRT 800, 96,97,98 ALL ON THE RACE PROGRAMM AND 92,88 WILDCAT,84 EL'TIGRE, BUT THE OLE THUNDER KICKS BUTT STILL, and I'm on a mission myself this winter to kick butt with my 99 thunder in all stock 1000 drags and 1000' speed runs, good luck with yours, O the F5 comment I had a guy at a drag event come up to me and shock my hand and said thats the first thundercat to beat my F7 later
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