I just read an interesting post by the vice president of PRR for March. There has been an increasing amount of frustration comming through the text. After reading through some previos posts, I feel that the club is being pushed to the brink.

They are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They get it from all directions.

1. Out of state sledders who own camps or spend bundles of cash up there. They feel they are owed something. They want gobs of snow, groomed to perfection at all time, neon signs so they cannot get their urban ass lost, a full rescue team with state of the art equipment and staffed 24/7 for any need, and a cell tower every 20' so they can call their friends and brag about how cool they look.

2. The business owners who expect them to shit snow then groom it white. IF there isn't any, then paint the gravel white and call it good. By all means tell the public the trail system is perfect, who cares if there is no snow- they won't know the difference. When there is snow, groom to my backdoor. I think I gave your club $20.00 last year, that should cover it. HELP?? how can I do that, I am too busy. Here is another $20.00, now get out there and do something! Too much snow? SHUT IT DOWN.... Jesus- my customers are getting stuck out there. I might have to help them. That would suck! Go out there and groom it flat. You got 2 hours.

3. Landowners. Nothing to be sarcastic here. They bitch because people think their property is their playground. No respect for them. Lots of angry landowners, threats of closure, closures, more complaints but the hands are tied. Lucky I don't own land on a trail up there. I would never close it, but lots of bullets would be flying for those who show no respect. If you got a loud pipe or like to rip up the place, you better get some Kevlar.

4. The State. Safety issues, access issues, forms, applications, all part of doing business with government. Lots of time and big time writter's cramp.

5. The rest of the public. What's wrong with my sled, 30" of powder and I can't go anywhere? Where is the Dunkin Doughnuts? Where is SLED TOW? What's wrong with these rednecks? This powder is too bumpy. where is the fleet of 200 groomers that my registration paid for? Doesn't the state groom this? Friggin state- bunch of crosseyed idiots with wooden teeth. If I was in charge, I would make all the guys work 20 hour shifts. Look at my new jacket. Where is the strip club? I'm bored, let's chase deer and run people off the trail. Let's go back to youngs for the 5th time, I am out of wiskey. Where are the hookers? Any of you local slobs want to make $20.00? Service me NOW!!!!


Take note... IF that club falls apart, you will ride on shit for the rest of your short sledding carreer. They do an awsome job. Cut them some slack, respect landowners, fend for yourself and have a shread of common sense. Be prepared for the worse and expect nothing from nobody. Change your way of thinking or lose your privilage to ride in NH.

To the Ridge Runners. Keep your chin up, there are people out there who love everything you do for the sport!

WELL SAID!!!!

Here Here

Wow.......I'm guilty of the chasing deer,( on foot ) being out of Whiskey, and " wondering " about hookers. But I've never complained about the trails because just like the atv clubs in the area, the snomobile clubs do their best with what they have to work with.

That was a pretty accurate reading of between the lines in my opinion. Time for a reality check by the masses before they head north.

Thanks for the heads up on that newsletter, and what it is saying. You should have seen the letter which initiated that reply, it almost caused the exodus of some irreplaceable people that have been in charge during the evolution of the system for the last ten years.

People are going to learn how the chain of command works or it will disappear and they can ride by a fleet of good looking "parked" groomers with no one to eat the shit that goes along with trying to please businesses that couldn't be pleased if we could make it snow on Memorial Day.

Your observations are "right on" and we as a club are not alone with this level of frustration, which is like a virus infecting the key people in lots of northern clubs. More is expected of every club every year with less to do it with, and this pressure squeezes "the same ten people" that seem to run every club into a frazzle.

pathfinder58

Very well said i cant agree anymore with you NH-Attak. I have been reading your views on issues like the Sign in Rummey and the Dunkin Donuts Pitts needs one posts and we def think a like on all these issuse. Keep up the good work stand your ground! Thats what the true NH people are like.

I know I'm in the the minority when I say this but, I think that the club does more then enough when it comes to grooming the trails. I grew up riding in fields and woods. Whats A groomed trail. I like riding on smooth trails ,But when there not I don't complain. The amount of traffic that they see,they could be alot worse. The PRR do an Awesome job and it's all do to volunteers. Thanks to all that do something to help. As for as those that bitch and complain

Attak,

I was gonna blast you....out of state riders rant is getting old...and my dam coffee pot wasn't plugged in!

But I kept reading the post and was laughing by the end "Service me for 20 bucks" too funny.

I wonder if the people who need to change their attitude are even on this site? Who knows, but the club works hard and that's all you can ask.

I am not just picking on out of staters. The general public includes residents. There are plenty of them that act like idiots. As far as the out of state rants go, I realize that there are good people from out of state who come up here to ride. We have a tendancy to slam all of you when the villige idiots make a spectical of themselves. There are some hard feelings on both sides of the fence. This post is a general warning to ALL SNOWMOBILERS. You don't want to lose that club up there. Without it, most modern snowmobilers would give up the sport. They make our riding experience very comfortable thus the influx of people who don't really enjoy the outdoors.

It should be mandatory that every sled owner who regs a sled has to do 3 hours of trail work for the club they join, or failing that, the club that has the biggest workload as decided by the NHSA county directors.. And then they should be required to take a grooming course so they can understand how and why we do what we do out there.

I fell for your guys up North since you get the brunt of idiots-riding early prior to opening, then when the season opens-Snocross wannabees are out tearing everything they can while making it a defensive riding day for the rest, with fluffeveryone expects conditions to be perfect, riding up until the last possible snow flake melts and now they expect all the amenities of big cities.

Wait a minute, didn't they go north for some solitude and relaxation. Well, the big city and bright lights are not up here so don't expect them.

Also, don't expect a 10 minute wait for EMTS in the middle of no where. I ask again, as I have in the past few years about our younger generation. Where is the respect and love? If the new comers to this sport don't change their expectations then we are all in trouble for losing trails etc in the years to come. I hope the apples ruining it for everyone smarten up and realize what they are doing.

This is a state-wide problem that gets worse every year-we have our share in central NH as well...perhaps not to the degree of the northern clubs, but we are quickly catching up.



I doubt if the majority of these people even belong to a club, or at the very least READ a club newsletter or the SnoTraveler-most of what is said here and printed there falls on deaf ears and to blind eyes............

AHYUPPPPP!!!!!!! Sometimes we need to sit back and listen and learn. Then when in doubt knock them out. The club is doing a wonderfull job of sucking up all the crap thrown at them by the people that are full of it. Thanks for allowing us to ride the system.

I'm not a religious person but ..... God bless you. After I read you statements I fully expected to see you get flamed as typical here on HCS from some idiot.

PRR do a spectacular job with there efforts, unfortunately they get the brunt of all parties frustrations. It seems that all the other areas in the state I have ridden this year groom during the day, the frustration the PRR must have grooming a 2 am must be enough to drive them nuts every night never mind the plethora of other issues to contend with.

I hope they find out that they are hearing a minority group of complainers, and the majority applaud there efforts. It’s too bad that more people don’t do more for the clubs, including myself. I am now going to read his message.

NH-Attak
In your 1st post is all you posted QUOTED what they said or is all that YOUR observation ? Being a dirt biker since 1970 I am just happy to have 6,000+ miles of trals to sled on. Some sledders just do not know how LUCKY they are to have the option on WHERE to ride. As for grooming ..... Yes I love a flat trail too BUT I also find it boring after awhile so I do not mind whooped out trials either. Guess I am so use to it from dirt biking. I look at it like I did dirt biking. When you have the rough trails you appreciate much more when you hit the nice stuff. Expecting a full blown rescue team out in east bum fu#k ? You gotta be kidding me ! They should just stay home in front of the boob tube ! About the IDEA where you have to do trail work to ride is a GREAT idea. Even tho I join a club just to make sure they get the $$$ instead of the State & I also put a few $$$$ in club/groomer jars at gas stops. I am guilty of not spending time PERSONALLY clearing or grooming a trail. There is only one problem with the working hours thing. Just like anything else .... there will be people getting around the system not doing it and still getting credit for it. But hey atleast it would be a start ! Some hours are better than NONE !
Hey NH-Attak you SURPRISED me ! One thing you forgot to rant about .....
Gate Openers available 24 hours ;-)

Again thank you to ALL those that can put 110% into their clubs and FIND the time to DO IT. I really am jealous of your commitment ! Consider this a BIG pat on the back and a promise I DO NOT abuse your trails ! And in closing .... THANK YOU OldViperRider for all your up dates of the trails up there. Even tho I do not get up there like I would like to. So many people here I know MUST rely on your reports.
Rob .....

It should be mandatory that every sled owner who regs a sled has to do 3 hours of trail work for the club they join, or failing that, the club that has the biggest workload as decided by the NHSA county directors.. And then they should be required to take a grooming course so they can understand how and why we do what we do out there.

3 hours sounds great. Can you imagin if every club member did just 3 hours of trail work for their club how much would get done. Instead of the STP.

Is there a training course that is open to anyone who wants to learn or do you have to have to be sponsored by a club.

Skully, I quoted nobody. This is what I get when I read through some of the messages from the vice president. There has been some nasty people making alot of nasty, unfounded complaints to PRR and other clubs in the state because they are not satisfied. I get complaints from all ends, you do as a club. I have talked to many people involved up there and the story is the same. Read the vice president messages and reflect for a moment. This is my opinion, which we all have a right to post. Yours may differ, that is your right. That quote in the VP message was posted as a response to a nasty complaint from a business in town.
Peace,

Man, I remember the days where I rode for an entire year in my backyard without any groomed trails. Whenever I see a freshly groomed trail somewhere I consider it a bonus, not manditory. I pay my money to the club and would be happy as hell if all they did was made sure the trails existed for me to ride on. People pay $50 a day to ride chairlifts and ski groomed trails for a single day, we pay $78 to ride 6000 miles of orginized trails all damn year long.

I don't know how you guys who live up there deal with it. The influx of hot-head, wanna-be Blair Morgans, the morons who aren't self sufficient, and the whiners with the "I am better than you" attitudes must be unbearable. This time of year it must get especially tiresome.

Snowmobiling used to be a down and dirty activity. These days there are bridges, signs, trails with no downed trees across them and sometimes even a flat base. I remember riding for hundreds of miles without being on a single trail that had been groomed all year long. And I was happy as hell about it.

What the hell has happend to this sport?

PRR does a great job at what they do for us and should be credited for that, no trail system can handle amount of traffic they have on the weekends without the trails getting rough, it's just not going to happen, they groom at late hours for a reason, little to no traffic and the trails set up better for the next day. also it most likely causes less fustration while grooming to see the next idiot go by with their 150HP roto-tiller and trench what you just got done grooming. the club has no resonsiablity to any business and has never in my opinion falsely reported on trail conditions to lure in more sledders. to the people giving the clup crap i have a suggestion, stay home and we'll call you when the trails suit your expectations, but don't bother to wait by the phone because it ain't going to ring! i can't think of a time that given a chance we didn't thank the groomer operators or give them a thumbs up. it is our privilage to ride the PRR trail system and most of the time it's the one of few areas that have snow during the season. again if your NOT HAPPY then don't go, we could always use less IDIOTS up there.

Wow, I thought that we were the only ones with club problems. I always looked at PRR as a model of hard work and insane results with whatever little they were given. It's really telling that the biggest club int he state, if not in New England can only get the same ten workers. I can't imagine how much work you have to do, given the size of the area and volume of trail and I'm truly sorry to hear that you are plagued with the same old issues.

That said, I think the snowmobiling population is in for a rude awakening in the near future. Clubs can't get new blood and the old timers are getting older and becoming disinterested. Land to use for trails is becoming more and more scarce every year and the users of said land seem to get dumber and more arrogant each season. I suspect that in the near future, in New England at least, that the only ride options will be small (comparatively) private areas that are setup as pay-to-use by commercial ventures. Use fees will be highly increased as the whole point will be for the areas to make money.

Right now, its all about the clubs. The clubs in New England do 95% of the actual work. Sure, the state legislates and appropriates the most of the funds, but the state doesn't talk with landowners to get permission, build or maintain trail. Clubs are volunteer based meaning the people don't get paid to take sh!t from all the people who p!ss and moan. Won't be long before they give up and quit. I know that my wife and I who are both executives in our club have decided not to run for office again because we are just burnt out on it. I think that this is a common theme.

Respect those who are out there doing for you!

-Couch

I read it thanks and he has very good points and agree with Jethroxlt ...
"Whenever I see a freshly groomed trail somewhere I consider it a bonus, not manditory"

My only wish would be a SINGLE Web page where ALL the clubs could ADVISE sledders about their trails. You know like what is open what is closed and where they may have Landowner problems that sledders should take EXTRA care when near them. I guess the Snow Traveller is some what for that BUT I do not always get it (actually haven't seen it in awhile - don't know why cus I get it in the mail). I also find the Snow Traveller news is behind where as a Web site could be updated more quickly. As we know now the State also reads here so I can comment to them also. Their site is LACKING on Trail conditions and only BLAME it on the Clubs for non reporting. So it is a vicious circle. So for now I will continue to rely on sites like this (HUGE THANK YOU HCS) and Trailconditions.com, NHSledding.net and SledNewEngland.com to find out about trails in NH and a few that go out of their way reporting ..... LGomes, OldViperRider & Diamond !

Rob ....

I walk through life shaking my head on a hourly basis wondering what people are thinking??!!....

It's unfortunate that so many people out there do not have common sense, respect or common-courtesy.
You see it everyday, people with their blinders on that point fingers. Never taking the time to understand the details of all situations. Plan and simple "UNSERSTANDING" a problem before shooting their pie-holes off and blaming everyone around them.
I agree with the suggestion of "'mandatory 3 hours per person helping with volunteer work @ a club in NH" - to qualify for a NH registration or an additional $100 fee goes towards the volunteer fund.
More toughts ... The state should also look at peoples driver's license and if they have to many points, say 4 points or more, no registration! Mandatory liability and collision insurance, just in case it a case goes to litagation with a "he said / she said" deliberation, everyones covered.

Bottom line... Kiss the snow you ride on, everytime you get to go and ride. That's because a volunteer most likely helped provide YOUR FUN! Stop complaing and help do something about it!

I was in Pittsburg from the 16th thru the 25th, and saw exactly what I expected. Anyone that thought the trails would be anywhere near good until after the weekend is a complete moron. In fact if it weren't for all the traffic they might still be terrible. Where ever I went that is normally good due to low traffic was bad due to the low traffic, and where it's usually rough due to high traffic was actually better because of the traffic. Once the aire was ridden out of the snow, MONDAY they were excellent. As for the trail condition report I go every weekend and have for the past 6 years withthe exception on 1, in my opinion Mark is 100% accurate and if anything I am pleasantly surprised that they may be even a little better-but in his defense he is lucky enough to ride during the week when they are always perfect. The ridgerunners do a fantastic job, and yes I am guilty of not helping out on trail maintenance. I do try but it is always a weekend where something else is going on, trust me I would much rather have been working on a trail than being at weddings the past three years. As for who the business owner who complained to the club, I would personally pay for the advertising on HCS to make sure myslef and all other HCS'rs DON"T support the prick-and presently I am broke. That is a compelte crock of shit, and they should be identified. To all ACTIVE Ridgerunner members, thank you very much for all you do I certainly do appreciate it. Unfortunatley with the snow again tomorrow-DAMN SNOW!!!!!!!!!!! the trails will once again be rough for a couple days, but I guess that's better than no snow at all.

I rode for three days after the valentines storm. Does that count as trail maintenance?

Really good post this one!

I think it's time for someone to put this issue on the front page of every NH publication that has to do with the sport. Most people are ignorant of the volunteer effort that provides these miles to ride. And no sugar coating it. The whole down and dirty aspect of the sport. Drownings, Crashes, Landowner Issues, Speeding, Drinking, Lack of Volunteerism and the lot. Really let riders and none riders understand what makes this all go every winter SNOW OR NOT. I don't think the problem is with folks on HCS. Most here are here because they want to be informed. The majority of riders though are oblivious to the details and don't care.
As far as rescue goes. Look at what happens all the time, most recentley at MT. Hood. People in this country DO NOT WANT TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THERE OWN ACTIONS! I F-ed up. Come rescue me.

Well I read the PRR pres message and the posts on this thread. Sounds like Pittsburg people pissing off Pittsburg people.,... Am I wrong?

I can understand not posting the name of the business on this site that made the derogatory comments about the club, but could someone up there elaborate on what they complained about?

Right now we don't know what they were bagging on the club for. The only thing we know is that the VP wrote a letter that said the club members are getting sick of getting kicked around.

I'm not asking for names but what wasn't the club doing right.

Go to the NH Trails Bureau Web Site and get info there. Go to NHSA.com and click on COUNTY CLUBS (put your cursor over the county on the little map you want to access) and all the clubs come up with there web addresses if applicable. There you can check the clubs trail conditions. THEY WILL BE AS UP TO DATE AS THE VOLUNTEERS HAVE A CHANCE TO GATHER THE INFO AND THEN POST IT.

sponsored by a club but it;s an eye opener to go. they suually do 2 classes a year one at the trailmasters meeting in Dec and 1 later in the season. Even just going for a ride along would open eyes and it sucks for the driver to have to go alone so if you get a chance go out with them for 4-5 hours

Hi Dark Star,

I think this is the key paragraph:

"The club has received many letters and e-mails from people and businesses complaining about many things that are totally out of our control. These complaints range the gamut of opening the system too late, reporting trail conditions inaccurately, enforcement of "loud pipe" laws by Fish and Game, even a complaint for "NOT" closing the system when there was too much snow to deal with."

Mark

The complaints were as follows;

1 This is a qoute from the major complaint letter we received, "The town of Pittsburg was severely hurt financially by that decision(not to open Christams Week) and the area will feel that financial loss well into 2007" ( Even though there was not any where near enough snow to fill water bars and cover obstacles such as rocks stumps etc.)

2 When the club did open the trails it was way too late in their view, and should have been open much earlier. (Even though the decision to open the trails involves major input from Bureau of Trails, principal land owner Lyme Timber, and litteraly hundreds of private lease holders. There were also issues involving "logging jobbers" who are sub contractors of Lyme that had to move out stockpiles of logs and equipment. We connot control these obsatcles,"Its There Land". Decisions also involved putting an almost entirely new fleet of groomers out there as well, which we all know are brutally expensive to repair when you do have an "event". The Ridge Runners input on opening revolved around the "safety " issue of putting people out the before it was safe. Imagine moving at a good clip down a trail and all of a sudden drop into a waterbar that was not sufficiently filled in! Can you say "liability"?)

3 There was a major "bash" of Old Viper Rider's trail condition reporting not being accurate, and being conservative in his descriptions of how it was out there. The absence of the use of the word "excellent" came up and this was coming from people who don't ride much out there, and have not attended a club meeting in years. ( anyone on this site knows the feedback that Old Viper Rider gets about weather and trail conditions is nothing but "thanks for his honesty" good or bad. Neither the Ridge Runners nor Old Viper Rider would ever "sugar coat" our description of trail conditions in order to induce people to come all the way up here and be disappointed, regardless of the pressure put on us by any business or group.)

4 We also had a complaint from a different source that we should have "closed" the trail system after the Valentines blizzard, because we couldn't keep up with the grooming required to make it all perfect. (This was my favorite complaint which indicates a total lack of knowledge about the different consistancy of snow, and how it can and can't be worked until one of two things happen, a little rain, or a little sun to "change" it to a "workable" condition that will set up and last awhile.)

I hope this gives you enough input to understand why "frustration" seems to be leaking out of newsletters and posts. Its getting tough to camoflage the real outrage that some of us are feeling, after putting in way too much time, money and effort, only to be belittled for our efforts!

pathfinder58

All i can say is that the folks i have met and talked to up north in the ridge runners have been nothing but great people. I only wish i could live up there and help them out as often as i can. I think they do a trumendous amount of work that noone sees or gives them the credit for and they dont even want it (the credit). I talked to Paul at the steak feed and he was tellin me and my buddies about some of these things. Totally rediculous. If they dont like the trails or game wardens go somewhere else.

We all appreciate everything you guys and gals do for us and the trails up there. Without you folks we wouldnt have anything. Its just to bad there are some knuckleheads looking for a punching bag to take out there frustrations on when they have noone to blame but themselves. Well said everyone, and to the Ridgerunners Hang in there. We appreciate everything you guys do.

I agree!!! I live 5 1/2 hours from where i stay and ride. i signed up at the begining of this season to volunteer some work hours this summer on the trails. WHY NOT! lets see....stay home in summer doing lousey chores......or go north to the place i love to help out with the passion i love! not a hard choice for me!!!

damn straight!!!!!!
like the ole saying goes..." a few bad apples ruin the bunch"

Ridge Runners, SkiBees , Border Riders, Drift Dusters, CVR, Brighten, Orleans....and ALL clubs in between that i did not mention.....
A BIG THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS!!!

from one very appreciating "Flatlander"!!!


***Tom***

First of all I think that All the clubs do a great job I never complain about a trail I just happy to be riding on a trail that it took many many hours to create I always put money in every groomer jar I see. I NEVER ride like an asshole and I am from Mass. So blaming out of STATERS for all the fucking problems in the state of NH is just wrong. I've met just as many assholes in NH as I've met in Mass. I don't post often but all your problems are not just from out of STATERS. I actually see more complaints on here from guys in NH then anywhere else.

It's NEVER you is it???
if you do what you say..no problem...this letter was addressed to the assholes ( who i HOPE are reading this!) who take everything they do up there for granted!!
like the asshole who cant get around the groomer fast enough just to tear the friggin trail up right in front of the groomer operator!!! talk about a kick in the teeth!!! these people should at least try to show some respect to these operators who give countless hours of their own time FOR FREE just so these assholes can have a decent trail to ride!

sorry for the rant

I agree with the fact that people complain and whine too much, and they have NO IDEA what it takes to run an operation like the PRR and many other clubs do. I hope they can reach down between their legs.... grab a handful of hair.... and pull their heads out of their A$$es! But it is sad to say that most of them probably won't ever get the message.

The clubs to a great job and should not let comments from some idiots impact their ability to continue volunteering their time... and more people should also do more to help out clubs with the various activities that are needed to run a snowmobile club.

The next thing someone will complain about is "The Mountain".

You just can't please some people no matter what you do, so you just have to keep going on knowing that you rise to the top and keep doing the right thing.

I understand that in recent years a lot of businesses have been hurt bad by the lack of snow, and that certainly has some people frustrated, but they appear to have NO IDEA that their comments towards the PRR is not going to do anything positive.....PERIOD!

But to those that made these comments..... I believe in karma!

I understand your frustrations.... and how these things can take a huge toll on someone who volunteers a lot of their time to provide for others.... but one thing...

I just wanted to ask how serious your are about this comment? or if you meant it in a different light?

Speaking of hurting Business....any word on the Colebrook House??? damn shame what happened there! i miss those guys!

I'm a rider from Mass who has been riding in Pittsburg and the rest of NH for more than 20 years. As stated in earlier posts I grew up riding through the woods when there were no groomers. Consequently I enjoy every trail that has been groomed even once in a season because it's still better than the old days. PRR and the rest of the North Country Clubs do an awesome job day in day out, year in year out. The only complaint we should ever see is that mother nature hasn't given us any snow. Any complaint about any club is just wrong, PERIOD!!!!

I appreciate all that is done so I can enjoy the sport I love.

Thanks, Thanks and Thanks again!!!

Oh, in case I forgot.....Thank you very much PRR and others!!!!

I ride Pittsburg, Swift Diamond, Colebrook, and Nash Stream all the time. I wrote a long post last year in regards to this same subject. There was a young kid bitching about how bad the trails in Pittsburg were last year and everyone who rides up here knows how little snow there was to work with. I thought the trails in Pitttsburg were great as usual considering what they had to work with. These areas get so much traffic on the weekends and during the week that it is impossible to keep the trails flat all the time. These clubs do a fantastic job of maintaining the trails. They stay relatively flat all winter long even if there is limited snow.

The bottom line is if you do not like the conditions and have the nerve to complain then stay home and ride there. This will only make the trails better for all of us who appreciate all the hard work these clubs do. So please do us all a favor and stay home.

Is there anyway the the club can post the letter you received on this site. You do not have to keep the dickhead's name on it but it would be nice if you would so we all can bash him. It would be quite entertaining I'm sure.

RELAX ULTRA KING.......RELAX.......RELAX......deep breaths now, easy-nobody is going to get hurt here
Don't worry, just kidding.....

I just finished reading this topic and im shaking my head. I cant believe that people are complaining about prr. I've been riding pittsburg for over 12 yrs i think prr does a great job for snowmobilers and for the town of pittsburg. I will tell you this if anything ever happens to pathfinder and oldviperrider i think the club will be in serious trouble. They put in some serious time on this website as well as the clubsite, and i think there input on the conditions are close to accurate. I'm puzzled people and business owners from pittsburg wrote to the club complaining about snow amounts , trail opennings, etc who ever wrote those things should be embarrassed.I dont care what anyone says this is my opinion without prr pittsburg wouldn't be the snowmobile capital of the northeast. I want to thank everyone at prr you are all valuable to this sport. Dont let the negitive comments tarnish the hard work you all do.To all those ungrateful assholes you make me sick to my stomach.

OVR I read that section of the VP's message I was looking for a little more detail that's all.

thanks for the update Pathfinder. That's some crazy shit businesses fueding with the local club considering all the work the volunteers do. It shows you how freaked out people can get. If I were PRR volunteer putting in major time I would tell the guy (or girl) to go F himself. The next day though you gotta ask yourself what drives people to the point of taking their frustration out on volunteers. If my business were in financial trouble and I was stressed 24 hrs a day and wondering if the bank was going to take my life's work away I would be a DBag too. Those kind of pressures keep you up at night....and can ruin the best of people.

Based on what one of the posters was saying it sounds like people complained about F & G inforcing the laws....loud pipes. That is a laugher. To be pissed because of a ticket for loud pipes is like being pissed for getting busted with no registration....sorry there is no argument.

Hey NH Attak don't worry about Ultra King he's a wiennie

Ultra King we are gonna have some fun next week.

Too late... I was already wearing my kevlar vest!

Geesh....I had heard through the grapevine that the only thing up there in need of grooming was Armand!

Hey chump... who you callin a wiennie?!?!?!

Sounds like the conditions are certainly going to be excellent!... I agree

Well said and dont forget to thank Paul the pres....

I just want to say Thanks to the Ridgerunners . No complaints here

I agree, the people that need to change their attitude are not on this site, otherwise there would be heavy disagreement about the disposition and demeanor portrayed in this thread