fusionpete
Jan 2 2007, 06:36 PM
has anyone heard about the new 2008 snowmobiles or have seen them? if so, let us know and post a pic!
anteater
Jan 2 2007, 10:40 PM
give it a couple months and you will have all the pics and info you can handle!but yes I am also getting very curious to see what is coming after all the improvements for 07 ,08 should be real impressive!I HOPE!
800REV
Jan 3 2007, 01:31 AM
I here a 800 Dragon release in a couple weeks.
waveraven
Jan 3 2007, 08:39 AM
For sure you will see the sled I really wanted a 700 IQ
HONDAFIXER
Jan 3 2007, 08:47 AM
With this weather I would be surprised to see them making sleds next year. Have to keep the stockholders happy
ndr.snowmobilers
Jan 4 2007, 11:59 AM
i here of a 1050cc triple comon out next year. and polaris wont be dropping there snowmobile line up, it bring sthem a quarter of there sales.
polcat
Jan 4 2007, 12:38 PM
Expect to see some entree level price leaders like a 550 fan IQ and IQ Touring. The race sleds will change to IQ hoods. A "snow check only" ditch banger based on the race chassis would be a possiblity also. I would not expect larger than the 700 already available but you might find it available in more models.
IMO
PolarisRacer126
Jan 4 2007, 10:15 PM
QUOTE(polcat @ Jan 4 2007, 12:38 PM)

Expect to see some entree level price leaders like a 550 fan IQ and IQ Touring. The race sleds will change to IQ hoods. A "snow check only" ditch banger based on the race chassis would be a possiblity also. I would not expect larger than the 700 already available but you might find it available in more models.
IMO
that would kick ass, a consumer version of the race sled after how long have we been screaming for it?, just dont see it happing. they need a big block! cat and skid are having to much fun fighting over the 1000 lets throw our hat in an kick ass like in the 6, and 7 class!
rtbme
Jan 4 2007, 10:23 PM
Think about it, The MFGs have a LOT of inventory do to the economy and lack of snow. releasing new sled models will slow the purchace of the units already sitting in the show rooms. i wouldn't think polaris is going to rush to market w/new models. Not any time soon.
bonz50
Jan 5 2007, 03:01 PM
QUOTE(ndr.snowmobilers @ Jan 4 2007, 01:59 PM)

i here of a 1050cc triple comon out next year. and polaris wont be dropping there snowmobile line up, it bring sthem a quarter of there sales.
ya, but it'll be a 4s
bonz50
Jan 5 2007, 03:05 PM
QUOTE(polcat @ Jan 4 2007, 02:38 PM)

Expect to see some entree level price leaders like a 550 fan IQ and IQ Touring. The race sleds will change to IQ hoods. A "snow check only" ditch banger based on the race chassis would be a possiblity also. I would not expect larger than the 700 already available but you might find it available in more models.
IMO
800cfi is a DONE DEAL... they will be showing up at dealerships out west in about 2wks or so, RMK only for the midseason relase, likely available as next years dragon
eastreich
Jan 5 2007, 03:22 PM
QUOTE(bonz50 @ Jan 5 2007, 04:05 PM)

800cfi is a DONE DEAL... they will be showing up at dealerships out west in about 2wks or so, RMK only for the midseason relase, likely available as next years dragon
Don't know if that will be here in two weeks time, but I concur that the 800cfi is a done deal. If I am reading my dealer's poker face right, it is a CFI monoblock based on the current "small block" engine found in the 600 and Dragon.
I have also been told that a FST RMK is also in the works (easy as track and a-arm changes to the current switchback). I would not be suprised to see that as a 1000cc twin. My dealer has been talking to Polaris race dept. and SLP about what to do to increase the output of my FST and they both are saying that the motor is at its stress limit now. This tells me that something with more power (i.e. larger) will come out to stay ahead of the four-stroke curve. Weber also makes a small displacement V-4 (both turbo and NA) that you could see in a trail sled, but it would probably not make it in a mountain chassis. Too nose heavy.
I have been told to also expect a new consumer chassis based on the IQ race sled. The current IQ chassis is simply an "interim" chassis, much like the current 6.0L Ford diesel truck motor is an interim between the 7.3 and next years new engine. The IQ chassis was "thrown" together to make the Polaris faithful happy well the true next gen IFS was developed. An example of this is my Holz spindles. My FST Switch turns twice as good with the geometry change, why hasn't Polaris adopted this geometry? Because they have already moved well beyond the IQ as we know it, unless you have a 440 IQ racer.
bonz50
Jan 5 2007, 03:26 PM
QUOTE(eastreich @ Jan 5 2007, 05:22 PM)

I have also been told that a FST RMK is also in the works (easy as track and a-arm changes to the current switchback). I would not be suprised to see that as a 1000cc twin. My dealer has been talking to Polaris race dept. and SLP about what to do to increase the output of my FST and they both are saying that the motor is at its stress limit now. This tells me that something with more power (i.e. larger) will come out to stay ahead of the four-stroke curve. Weber also makes a small displacement V-4 (both turbo and NA) that you could see in a trail sled, but it would probably not make it in a mountain chassis. Too nose heavy.
all i can say is that you shouldn't forget about KTM's involvement with polaris w/ regards to the next gen FST
edit - look for those 800cfi's to show up at the big dealers like Carl's Cycle and Tri-City...
eastreich
Jan 5 2007, 03:48 PM
QUOTE(bonz50 @ Jan 5 2007, 04:26 PM)

all i can say is that you shouldn't forget about KTM's involvement with polaris w/ regards to the next gen FST
edit - look for those 800cfi's to show up at the big dealers like Carl's Cycle and Tri-City...
Haven't forgotten about the KTM involvement, my dealer sells them too. I just don't see KTM making a motor that is PTO ready, yet. The 990 EFI v-twin would be great, but I don't see that as a 2008. More like a 2010.
I would expect the big three (Carl's, Kurt's, and TCP) to get them first anyway to do development work. I know that Kurt was riding a 700 Dragon all of last year up around Seely Lake. This is one reason a bunch of the small dealers are suing Polaris.
bonz50
Jan 5 2007, 04:23 PM
QUOTE(eastreich @ Jan 5 2007, 05:48 PM)

Haven't forgotten about the KTM involvement, my dealer sells them too. I just don't see KTM making a motor that is PTO ready, yet. The 990 EFI v-twin would be great, but I don't see that as a 2008. More like a 2010.
I would expect the big three (Carl's, Kurt's, and TCP) to get them first anyway to do development work. I know that Kurt was riding a 700 Dragon all of last year up around Seely Lake. This is one reason a bunch of the small dealers are suing Polaris.
i've heard that carl's already has an 800 and it's performing WELL... that's a rumor though
doubtful KTM would use an existing engine, more like something along the lines of what yammie did and use the 525 dirtbike motor as a template to build from... afterall, 1050 is the limit for 4s in .x race apps... :P
sr_erick
Jan 5 2007, 07:58 PM
QUOTE(bonz50 @ Jan 5 2007, 03:26 PM)

all i can say is that you shouldn't forget about KTM's involvement with polaris w/ regards to the next gen FST
edit - look for those 800cfi's to show up at the big dealers like Carl's Cycle and Tri-City...
You do realize Polaris is selling all but a percentage or two that they own in KTM. The press release was over two weeks ago. There will not be a KTM four stroke for snowmobiles in Polaris' future. Even if there was a KTM four stroke for snowmobiles, I wouldn't buy one based on reports I've heard about how unreliable the 525 is they have now for quads. It may make power, but it doesn't last.
fusionpete
Jan 14 2007, 08:28 PM
so, do we have anymore info on the 2008 sleds or are we just going to wait it out????
samatt
Jan 14 2007, 09:14 PM
ANy crystal balls out there see a 136 coupled suspension? Prefer a 600 CFI. I have seen comments from 2 different magazines that thought there would be a mid season release. Just need to seel the Switchback to position myself for one if they make it. Either that, or get a current IQ and lenghten the legs some.
StevieWonder
Jan 14 2007, 09:33 PM
RMT: Rocky Mountain Turbo, I don't know but I read it on Snowest and it sounds cool.
oldtimer
Jan 14 2007, 09:38 PM
An 800 CFI Switchback with a real 155 hp would sweet me...
Fennsz
Jan 14 2007, 09:58 PM
Polaris is going out of business, aren't they?
Polaris_kid
Jan 14 2007, 10:18 PM
Polaris is not going out of business shit... They are huge and make over 1.9$ billion a year.
sledandsnow
Jan 15 2007, 08:39 AM
QUOTE(Fennsz @ Jan 14 2007, 09:58 PM)

Polaris is going out of business, aren't they?
I heard a rummor from a friend in northern MN and he said that Polaris laid off 60 some imployees in there snowmobile division. I hope it is all bull shit because i dont think Polaris would drop the product that started the company. Anyone else here anything on this? Or do I have incorrect information? And my Dragon 700 KICKS ASS.
Spiderman
Jan 15 2007, 10:33 AM
Well as long as they laid off imployees and not their employees, things will be fine.....lol
Polaris_kid
Jan 15 2007, 10:36 AM
Hey spiderman hows the 600 cfi treating you??
eastreich
Jan 15 2007, 10:40 AM
On the mountain front, RMK 800cfi Dragon, Red in color, 163" track. NO spring release. Pre-order like last years Dragon for fall. Wait until the dealer show in Atlanta to get the rest of the details. I am going to assume that the short track will be similar.
I love how Polaris likes to leak out little details to build a buzz. I'm sure that everyone in Roseau gets a kick out of reading these message boards (and they do read them).
New four stroke motor has been in testing for one year now, will likely be an '09 release. Pretty sure that it is KTM based. KTM motors themselves are very reliable, but the trannys have been suspect. I've spent lots of time racing in the desert, and have never seen a KTM thumper blown up on the side of the race course. I have seen them parked with grenaded transmissions. Sleds don't have a transmission, so I'm not to worried about it.
Fennsz
Jan 15 2007, 10:52 AM
I was just kidding by the way about polaris going out of business. I had to say it before some F7 guy came in and said it.
05fusion900rdr
Jan 15 2007, 11:59 AM
well that im thinking is that polaris will never go out they have the best 6 and 7 on the market but at the same time they need to get back up into the mucle sleds i think they will probible go with a 1000 to stick with cat and ski doo but after what happened with the 900 if they do make one i would put my money on it being one of the best sleds ever because they dont wanna have a repeat of the 900 so they will put couintless amount of hours into testing and prefecting this sled but who knows just thinking out loud
killertime
Jan 15 2007, 12:24 PM
QUOTE(StevieWonder @ Jan 14 2007, 10:33 PM)

RMT: Rocky Mountain Turbo, I don't know but I read it on Snowest and it sounds cool.
I said that one (on SW) it would be sweet!!!!!! Try a coupled 151 and a racer chassis with a 190 Horse Turbo FS. We could call it KING!!! RM T.K.O. Many more!!!
snow...where?
Jan 15 2007, 02:31 PM
QUOTE(05fusion900rdr @ Jan 15 2007, 12:59 PM)

....polaris will never go out they have the best 6 and 7 on the market but at the same time they need to get back up into the mucle sleds ..... i would put my money on it being one of the best sleds ever ......
Polaris has Never had a great muscle sled... Cat and Ski-Doo have always been on top. Polaris always came close with a smaller engine(800 XCR)....but never had the *King* of muscle sleds....
They are not going to invest god knows how much just to have the fastest ride. They know where the money is... 600's and the 700's(755)
05fusion900rdr
Jan 15 2007, 04:14 PM
yea thats the money but they need a mucle sled and a trile 1000 would be insane it would rock any sled out there also i think polaris will be the sled compeny that stays to two stroks at least i hope i dont wanna ride a 4 although i rode an 06 fts this weekend and i was anything but unhappy with the performance it was very quick cant beat my 900 but still a very nice sled
Clayton
Jan 15 2007, 05:08 PM
QUOTE(05fusion900rdr @ Jan 15 2007, 01:14 PM)

yea thats the money but they need a mucle sled and a trile 1000 would be insane it would rock any sled out there also i think polaris will be the sled compeny that stays to two stroks at least i hope i dont wanna ride a 4 although i rode an 06 fts this weekend and i was anything but unhappy with the performance it was very quick cant beat my 900 but still a very nice sled
fusionpete
Jan 16 2007, 08:59 PM
thanks guys for the info, keep it coming if you have any more info!
sayatodaU.P.eh?
Jan 16 2007, 09:24 PM
QUOTE(samatt @ Jan 14 2007, 10:14 PM)

ANy crystal balls out there see a 136 coupled suspension? Prefer a 600 CFI. I have seen comments from 2 different magazines that thought there would be a mid season release. Just need to seel the Switchback to position myself for one if they make it. Either that, or get a current IQ and lenghten the legs some.
800+cfi is a real deal. Hearing 150+ hp. Probably be spring order only though........
136" Switchback is a real deal also. Haven't heard anymore about any other
136" sleds. A coupled "trail basher" version would be very sweet.
Also hearing rumors of a 1000+ish 3-cyl thumper for next year too. Boosted for
sure and based off from the current FST engine. That engine was designed as
a "modular" engine so additional cylinders can be easily added to it's already
current build structure.
Wood
Jan 16 2007, 09:37 PM
QUOTE(sayatodaU.P.eh? @ Jan 16 2007, 11:24 PM)

800+cfi is a real deal. Hearing 150+ hp. Probably be spring order only though........
136" Switchback is a real deal also. Haven't heard anymore about any other
136" sleds. A coupled "trail basher" version would be very sweet.
Also hearing rumors of a 1000+ish 3-cyl thumper for next year too. Boosted for
sure and based off from the current FST engine. That engine was designed as
a "modular" engine so additional cylinders can be easily added to it's already
current build structure.
Are you saying the new 800 will be offered in a 136" SB????

Oh god, how am I gonna sell this one to the wife.........
Any takers on a mint Crossfire 700SP????? Also accepting donations for those willing to 'support the cause'.
sr_erick
Jan 17 2007, 08:55 AM
QUOTE(Wood @ Jan 16 2007, 09:37 PM)

Are you saying the new 800 will be offered in a 136" SB????

Oh god, how am I gonna sell this one to the wife.........

I sure hope that they offer a RAW 136 inch switchback with the new 800 because I'm up to buy that one for sure.
FUSION900PA
Jan 17 2007, 09:06 AM
I would love to have 136" 800 CFI SB. That would be an awesome sled!!!!
maddog63
Jan 17 2007, 09:53 AM
800 cfi is a real deal - i agree. Polaris factory rep at Big East show confirmed it is in full testing, and that was in the fall.
and to the guy that said they would be foolish to go for the top muscle sled. Thats the stupidest thing i ever heard. they have to. Most families that ride usually ride the same brand sled throughout the fam. If dad wants a big gunner, and mom and kids want 600's - who's got that - skidoo and cat, now yamaha. polaris is the only one that doesnt have a big gun. they came out with 900 to try to jump the market in 05, but little did poo know that doo was working on a 1000. and we all know how well the 900 turned out for poo. it has the torque, but only a really horny woman should ride this thing cause it'll vibrate her so much that she wont want to be with her man anymore!
I actually am a polaris guy, but they went thru a couple down years and they are turning the corner with the new IQ chassis and cfi motors. my mom just got a 600 cfi lx. but they need a 1000, they cant have a 900 name attached to it because of the stigma. even if its a 901cc - they have got to call it a 1000cc.
Just my.02
LUBA
Jan 17 2007, 10:00 AM
Huh- I actually LIKE my 900!
FUSION900PA
Jan 17 2007, 10:04 AM
Me too!!!
maddog63
Jan 17 2007, 10:34 AM
i'm glad you do and mean no disrespect. but the magazines and polaris even admits it themselves that there were a lot of issues with the 900 - vibration, belts, etc.
I am actually looking forward to an 800cfi for myself next year. I have not set my sights away from Polaris, but how do you think they slipped from #1 to #2 in sales. Two reasons: 1) they were slow to react to what the rev rider forward chassis did for perfermance. and 2) when they did they thought the 900 chassis would satify the masses and left the 600, 7, and 8, in the old chassis. and the 900 had some issues. Your right though, there were some 900 that were not affected with vibration as has badly as others, some were horrible, some were minimal. Those that were minimal were lucky. You do have to admit that the 900 had issues dont you?? thats why they dropped the engine, do you think they wouldve put all the r/d into a new engine to have it out for 2 years (and 1 year in the case of the 700)? Dont keep you head in the sand and say all is perfect!
FUSION900PA
Jan 17 2007, 10:49 AM
Yeah, the sled does have it's issues. As far as vibration, it doesn't really bother me too much. As for the masses, it does seem to bother them. Many would say that the vibes don't bother them. This is definately not a pull and go sled. You have to constantly check it over and maintain it before riding.
Luckily i havn't had any problems with the sled and still have yet to blow a belt. I have put some money into the sled but not what some have to make it run better. Other than skis and clutch experimentation, i don't see myself putting any more money into it because i will probably will trade it in or buy a new sled after next season.
LUBA
Jan 17 2007, 12:14 PM
I just am sick of hearing the 900's are all junk and the biggest POS ever from people that probably never even rode one! Perceived reality vs actual reality. SOME did have problems others didn't. Mine runs good and I like it.
8ooLE
Jan 17 2007, 12:28 PM
Amen LUBA! It does get annoying. Would you go back to an Edge after riding you Fuser? I would NOT! Fusion is much better in all aspects than my 800 was, and I thought that sled was great! The 900 does not vibrate much more than the 800 did, is much quicker, rides and handles better, and does better on fuel! I also think it looks GREAT!
iwantmoresnow
Jan 17 2007, 12:30 PM
QUOTE(LUBA @ Jan 17 2007, 01:14 PM)

I just am sick of hearing the 900's are all junk and the biggest POS ever from people that probably never even rode one! Perceived reality vs actual reality. SOME did have problems others didn't. Mine runs good and I like it.
I with ya, my dads 900 didn't one one little problem. The only thing I noticed I didn't like on this sled was the vibration and thats it.
PHAT BASTARD
Jan 17 2007, 12:35 PM
QUOTE(LUBA @ Jan 17 2007, 01:14 PM)

I just am sick of hearing the 900's are all junk and the biggest POS ever from people that probably never even rode one! Perceived reality vs actual reality. SOME did have problems others didn't. Mine runs good and I like it.
In reality I think there were fewer with problems than people think.I have 7 people I ride with with 900s and out of the 8 of us only one had any blown belts and other than small issues none had any major problems engine related.on the other hand one of my friends rides a 05 mach z and to date has blown 4 belts who knows how many plugs and one engine top end melt down,vibrations are no worse on my sled than his but we all have been told were on junk?If the 900 came back,with what I know about these motors,I would buy it.
sayatodaU.P.eh?
Jan 17 2007, 05:27 PM
QUOTE(Wood @ Jan 16 2007, 10:37 PM)

Are you saying the new 800 will be offered in a 136" SB????

Oh god, how am I gonna sell this one to the wife.........

It's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.....
QUOTE(sr_erick @ Jan 17 2007, 09:55 AM)

I sure hope that they offer a RAW 136 inch switchback with the new 800 because I'm up to buy that one for sure.
QUOTE(FUSION900PA @ Jan 17 2007, 10:06 AM)

I would love to have 136" 800 CFI SB. That would be an awesome sled!!!!
Now I heard that the 136" SB is the real deal. Weather they do one with the 800cfi well..........
JJSAMS
Jan 17 2007, 07:00 PM
Theres gonna put the 500 in the IQ body and also make a new 800 twin and 1000 twin both with CFI. The 500 will stay carburated. The 800 and 1000 will be released as IQ ditchbangers and RMK's, with a midseason switchback 136".
larrypolaris
Jan 17 2007, 07:06 PM
QUOTE(JJSAMS @ Jan 17 2007, 08:00 PM)

Theres gonna put the 500 in the IQ body and also make a new 800 twin and 1000 twin both with CFI. The 500 will stay carburated. The 800 and 1000 will be released as IQ ditchbangers and RMK's, with a midseason switchback 136".
Polaris also needs to make a 380 Dragon type sled. My nephew bought a 380 Rev for his kid. What a great fun cheap sled.
Great for kids and teens. If Polaris made a 380 Dragon they would sell a ton of them.
RED800
Jan 17 2007, 07:06 PM
polaris stopped making the 900's for a reason,along with the "755"....an 800cfi,mmm maybe so but i would think the 700 would be gone,no use for a 700 if u have a 600 and 800 or no use for an 800 if u have a 600 and 700..i do know polaris is walking on eggshells,with the bad winters and poo's last attempt at a 900 and the 755 people are gonna be skeptical...whatever polaris does,they need to hope that we say WOW!! i want that,becuz if its a ,thats ok but..if they build a big dog,it has to be a big dog,not a 150ish h.p. with trail manners of a 600,we buy a lake runner to run on the lakes,period!!
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