I live across from Colebrooks Trail # 128 in Clarksville which we all know is CLOSED. Just had the first riders of the year go by my house.

I ask WHY??? If you are riding or plan on riding on closed trails will you PLEASE tell the rest of us WHY???

As it was said in another post the ones riding will not own up to it, but if you have the Balls to ride on Closed trails PLEASE tell the rest of what gives you that right.

Time for target practice. Put a few holes in those sleds and see how far they go

could throw rotten tomatos etc at them

so you don't go to jail

Bury them-no bodies = no proof

put a rope across the trail with warning sighns

that is one of the most aggrevating things...these douchbags that cant wait a few more weeks, so they have to make trouble for the entire snowmobiling community....hopefully they get themselves caught...

i have a quick question, for someone that doesn't come on these forums how do they know the trails are closed? I've scene nothing in the berlin area saying there closed. I wonder this because i took a trip to concord today and saw 40 or so trailers heading north... But if i didn't frequent these forums i wouldn't know you weren't supposed to be on the trails...

NH Bureau of Trails

so... i guess what your saying is there is enough snow to ride? but yet the money hungry state is down on reg. amounts so they havent officially opened the trails yet? i dont see the logic... open the trails and the reg. money will come....... :fluffy:

I have absolutly no use for the riders that are on closed trails, But that is not even remotely funny :banghead:

I'm sorry when I read your post the 1st time I thought it said without warning after I posted I realized it said with

thumper great site, i've never been there personaly, i doubt many people see that either... Don't want to sound negative but if you don't want people on the trails you can't just post it online and think everyone will know. Should be in papers, gas stations, etc. Especially in areas down state where people are coming up takign long drives to where they think there is snow. I mean after December 15th i bet most people think that any decent snow is fair game.
TJ

Many of the lodges where people stay have trail report pages on their web sites, or they could be called for current conditions. A lot of clubs also have phone numbers you can call for recorded trail reports. And almost all clubs have online trail reports.

How did we survive before the internet?????

Maybe it is just me, but if I was going to spend all that time and money; I would definately call ahead and check out if the trails were open! :doh: Some people are just clueless! :banghead:

Mark :beerchug:

I agree with shortfused here, I mean, not EVERYONE even has the internet. Yes, that's true believe it!!! I know I know, it's hard to believe, but... it's true. Anyhoo, now that we've got that important bit of info out of the way.... When I first got my sled, I didn't know where to look for trails, so I just asked the local snowmobile shop, an they just pretty much tell you after dec. 15 trails are open. So, I can't really blame these people really, unless there's signs at EVERY parkin area, people aren't gonna know, it's that simple! Besides, most of them are prolly just stupid massholes that know there gonna drive 3 hours, but... don't bother to check, haha! duhhhh :banghead:

Massholes you live in Manchester isnt that like a mini Boston :frech32: you might as well say you go to the baaaa for a drink and you paaak your caaa in the haaavid yaaad.LOL!!! :lol2: :lol2: Have agreat new years :beer:
Yamahoo :beerchug:

:smilielol: its so true that how i taaak

Manchester - a mini Boston ???????

Not even close

I think OVR is right when it comes down to it I think people just don't care , If fines were bigger it would probably get people to check on things before just doing them , its not that hard to make a call or check on line , or check with someone in the local area. One instance of this would be crossing lakes , people see a track or two and well the lake must be frozen , wouldn't it make sense to get the details on the lake first , inlets , outlets , ice thickness etc. It doesn't take that long to find someone to ask , and if you can't before risking life just go around. (the fines don't realy apply to the lake thing but you get my drift)
Its a habbit we should all get into before going to an area other than where we live , just takes a minute to check , and could save a lot more than a few bucks.
RX1TON

which we all know is CLOSED yes us here at HCS But How about the locals?. Like some people here are saying. Are the trails even marked closed? Not all sledders are online!!

Its not me but I will tell you why. Because they made reservations ( not sure why riding usualy does suck before jan 8th ) , they tryed to cancel , would have lost their deposit , said fuck it and went anyway.

In other words, they made a descision to ignore the trail closure so they deserve the $120 ticket. :frech32:

Mark :beerchug:

whens the last time you came to manchvegas? it is a mini-boston ... bunch of hood rat gangs .. cop killers -- drug dealers, mostly full of former massholes that are still getting mass welfare and now nh welfare too

i'd say thats pretty close

Just a couple of points to consider when snowmobiling in New Hampshire.

First, one of the most misconstrued regulations: The trails open on December 15th.

The trails DO NOT open on December 15th. The trails open (and close) when the authority owning or overseeing the land the trail is located on say the trail is open (or closed).

The December 15th date originated based on several conditions, the two most important being groomer reimbursement from the State and the seasonal switchover of railroad bed/tracks from rail to recreational use. The State of New Hampshire via the Trails Bureau has a myriad of regulations that clubs must follow in order to receive reimbursement for groomer operations. One of the most important caveats is when and how reimbursements will occur. This is usually defined as being on or after December 15th if their is sufficient snow cover (usually 8 inches). Prior to that or in the absence of no/low snow conditions clubs will not receive compensation from the State to groom.

A couple of interesting side notes. Certain federal lands will allow sledding if their is sufficient snow cover (again usually 8 inches) outside of the December 15th State date. Individual snowmobile clubs can also open up portions of their trail systems prior to the December date as long as they don't conflict with local, rail, State or Federal policies if they believe they have sufficient snow cover, realize the State will not reimburse them for maintenance and have no conflicts with the local landowners that the trails cross.

And remeber, New Hampshire has unique regulations when it comes to the operation of OHRVs. Simply stated, unless you are on property that you own YOU MUST HAVE PERMISSION AT ALL TIMES to be on property not owned by you! There is no requirement or responsibility (by statute or RSA) for a private landowner to post his property against OHRVs. If you are on private property without permission you are automatically guilty of criminal tresspass in the State of New Hampshire.

There was a multitude of reasons that the State changed the registration process to make it financially convenient to join a local snowmobile club when registering your sleds. One of the reasons was the hope that if a sledder joined a local club where he/she normally sleds the sledder would become more familiar with the rules and regulations effecting the sport. One of the prime purposes of the club system, outside of trail creation and maintenance, is the constant education of the club's membership in the proper and safe operation of the sport.

To sum it up, most trails in New Hampshire are opened by the resepective Club, Federal, State, County, Local or private entity on December 15th if sufficient snow cover exists. Some trails can open prior to that if the controlling entity so desires. Many trails are closed after the 15th even when snow conditions are excellent due to a multitude of landowner, safety or government regulation.

The point being is the only way you can ride safely and legally in New Hampshire is to check before you ride. Check with your local club, check the dozens of websites that provide the information, call the State, check with the hotel/motel/cabin owner that you plan to stay at or simply check with the local snowmobile vendor/merchants in the area where you intend to sled.

Snowmobiling is a privilege that is extended to you only by invitation of the landowner that you sled upon. You must make sure that you know where you are at all times and that you have permission to be there. There is no shortage of available outlets and sources to give you that information if you only take a few moments to seek out that information.

Those folks snowmobiling on closed trails this weekend are doing so because they either negligently or willfully chose not to seek this permission. Under New Hampshire State law they are guilty of tresspassing. Hopefully local authorities and Fish & Game are present to issue the sufficient number of summonses.

Remember, it's these individuals and their selfish actions that lead to permanent trail closures, additional restrictive regulations and the disdain and hatred that many non-snowmobilers have for all of us participating in this great sport!

Skip

These guys without internet have got to be morons if they are going to drive and not check ahead. I mean, you would think they know someone with a computer.


The other side of the coin is the guy who has internet but defies the law and logic and rides anyway. This guy is truely an asshole. "I'm paying all this money for registrations, sleds, hotels/camp; I'm on vacation.....we're riding and I don't care what anyone says." This guy is truely what's wrong with the sport. He has money, fancy sleds, trailer, everything......just to dumb and arrogant to give a shit. :frech32: :frech32: :wut60:

Toll Plazas Ect!

I think the law is that a trail has to be posted Open For Snowmobiles for us to ride on. In NH trails are not posted Closed. Can someone help me (Skip) with the law?

First of all, manch vegas isn't a mini-boston, or the majority of my neighbors wouldn't speak english, waaaiiit a minute, maybe you have a point! haha! I love Manch Vegas, I have a couple friends that are cops in Manch so they keep me up on what's goin on.

between 10+ 20,000 DOLLARS on sleds and tow vehicle and no internet find that hard to beleive and what about the news ,weather channel etc if someones that hardcore of a rider that they ride in shit condtions they know whats going on they just don't give a shit.

Well Put :div20: :div20:

.......................When you hear the grinding of your carbides and then look at the studs you pushed through your track......Then you might know the trails are closed..Nothing like taking a $8000 sled and slowly destroying it.I believe there is a machine for riding in these types of conditions.It's called ATV...Boy,there is a few tard's out there!!!

You can pretty much apply this to a lot of the problems on the trails! How about the "please stay on the trail" or "stop" or the ever popular "keep to the right" signs.

The "target date" to open trails is Dec. 15th, but the landowner...not the club, or the president of the club, or the State...the landowner has the final say as to whether the trails are open or closed, and to what kind of traffic...wheeled or snowmobiles. Most decisions are made to protect the land from erosion or other damage...but the logging companies close them to continue logging while the lack of snow makes for easier working conditions.

You are 100% correct. :div20: If the landowner agreed to open the trails on his land on October 15th the club could open them then. There is no State law or RSA specifying an "official" opening day date.

Mark :beerchug:

The fact is the trails NE of 1st lake should be open, there was less snow last season and they opened them on the 16th :banghead: , NH is one f'd up state.

BUT it doesn't really matter,
as I type there are dozens of sleds riding out there,
I can hear them and I saw them this morning on magalloway road.
The only people who suffer are the honest types that follow the rules, and everyone who makes a living off snowmobiling are starving. :frech32:

Who the hell decides when they open, does anyone actually know?
I want a name... If you don't know then don't reply.

I've searched and found no one person to contact. Below in bold print is the managing authority; name, address, phone.

Great North Woods Management Area aka DRED 439 River Road, Pittsburg, NH 03592 Phone: (603) 538-6707; Fax: (603) 538-9510
The Road Closure Report will be updated as road conditions change. Information on the status of road closures
and updates can also be obtained by calling 603-538-6707.
Below is a list of roads and gates on the Connecticut Lakes Headwaters Working Forest managed by the State of New Hampshire, Department of Resources and Economic Development (DRED)and the Connecticut Lakes Timber Company (CLTC) or (Lyme Timber Co) .

NOTICE: Due to insufficient snow cover, gates and snowmobile trails are still closed.

DATE OF REPORT: DECEMBER 11, 2006
For complete current list:

http://www.nhstateparks.org/ParksPages/CLH...adClosures.html

Thomas Morrow is the contact for the landowner, Lyme Timber Co.


Chris, I've directed my search towards the State websites since the State/ State parks/DRED holds the easement and manages the roads and recreation. DRED in cooperation w/ local snowmobile clubs manages the (winter) recreation use.

source: CLHWF Interim Public Access & Recreation Use Management Plan

The one Good thing is that it sounds like Conditions are improving since some folks are out there Rideing. I just don t think many Riders look at the Big Picture of how there Actions have Negative Consequenses to our sport. Some Folks are just
Self Centered , some are just Stupid. Hopefully we ll get enough Snow this week so we can All get away from the Keyboards
and on the Sleds. :div20:

you boys keep crying over in new hampster -- in maine the riding is on !!!!!!!!!

that it is... i'll be back from PA by the 10th hopefully and will be ready to ride... Looking forward to gettign soem riding in.

I have a lot of money invested so I am gonna ride when and where I want! Nanna Nanna Boo Boo!

Here we go..........here's the type of clown that we are talking about! :frech32: :wut60:

A lot of us have a lot of money invested but if we ride now we may not be able to ride later. You have to think of long term.

i'll admit i took a little ride this weekend near my camp. i tried staying off the trails and stuck mostly to the backwoods looking for moose sheds. and since i picked up a new sled this year i kinda wanted to try it out instead of having a 5000 dollar lawn ornament

uh oooh.. now your gonna get it !!!! :smilielol:

I didn't bring up the sleds to the camp because every web site said trails are closed. I can respect that as I'm a flat lander. What I did see on my ride home Sunday was every LOCAL had marks leaving their yards and headed to the woods/trails. So Is it the locals or others riding the trails? Why should I have to abid by different rules? Sleds will coming up with me this weekend and will ride like I live their. I do pay the a higher take rate then them locals. That should get the pot stiring.

I to was surprised to see all the trailers headed north when some of know that they weren't open.

Just took a rip accross old man johnsons front yard. Man, he looked PISSED OFF with all that grass flyin!

exactly !!!!! but trails are closed everyone -- stay home so our buissness's suffer

i think this is going to turn the pot into a jacuzzi !!!!

Heres a copy of a post from a different site that to me only adds to any confusion about whether trails are open or closed. To give credit, this post is from Diamond of which I am sure most have heard of and have come to trust his reports and postings.

"Yesterday a New Hampshire Conservation Officer turned around in the big Diamond Boat ramp and I was working in my garage and stopped him to see if I could get an Official word on trail closure.He said as far as he knew there were none.With the season underway,with the proper amount of snow on the ground,he knew of no closures,no fines,no official reason to stop snowmobilers from snowmobiling.If they wanted to go out and beat them selves and their sled up as long as they stayed off plowed roads and adheared to rules in affect all season he felt they could go for it.He felt any messages to the contrary,were individual clubs that were trying to urge a common sense approach to better trails,knowing its a very fragile senario this early in the season.Kind of like breaking in a new sled.If a precise break in is followed the life of the sled could be much better than beating it to death early on."

Well put dualmass.Four of us were up ther staying on back lake this weekend.We took a ride up to dear Mt. After the snow on saturday and there was easily 7- 10"of snow there and I am sure a lot more up north in the mountains.We talked to a few people and they said they were up there riding the past few days and it was awesome.They said hedghog nubble had plenty of snow.I also couldnt understand why the northern gates to the trails were not open.I mean come on we all tailer up there at the end of the season to ride what is the friggen difference.And yes I was one of those honest people that did not ride even though it was very tempting because there was plenty of snow.I think the guy who makes the decision to open the trails has a stick up his ass this year.So anyway I donated my money to the town this weekend but I was very disapointed that the northeast trails were not open either.Maybe the guy who makes the decision to open them was waiting for all us flatlanders to leave so he could have the trails to himself.I bet they open tommorow now that we are all gone. :banghead: .Just my opinion
Yamhaoo :beerchug:

the rumor mill is in high gear now!

where do I find one of those smiley eating popcorn emoties?


:banana:

I was up to my camp this weekend. wether theres riding or not we always spend new years at the camp its a tradition. I was tol through the grape vine by a very reliable source that swift diamond was out rolling there trails outside the diamond pond area, and that the trail out of coleman was pretty bad, but hed on over and check it out. i was told where not grooming yet but. the parking lot is empty, and where not gonna stop you. so i loaded up the trailer headed over to coleman state park found an empty but plowed parking lot. I headed out trail 18, like i was told and made my way through about 7 miles of crap flowing the path i was told i made my way over to roaring brook trail and all the logging roads on the east side of diamond pond. the trails there definatley looked like they had been rolled by the tucker. i did about 30 miles on some nice flat trails and then headed back before it got dark.

Ok... so it seems like even though there may be some snow, it is in very limited areas so far.

So if the trails were "officially open", all of us who have made similar investments into this sport, would all have to be riding in the same general area due to the fact that so few areas have snow to ride on.

So go and put way too many riders on what minimal conditions there are, and all that has been accomplished is the little bit of snow there was has been chewed up and can't be groomed. That doesn't seem to make too much sense.

I know a lot of other people have more invested in this sport than I do, and my throttle thumb is itching just like everyone else's, but those kind of circumstances just don't seem safe and can't be the best for the machine or machine's that you have invested your hard earned money into.

There is only one thing that is going to make this whole situation any better.....

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