I just purchased a brand new 2006 Fusion 600 and was wondering what the best set up was for performance and still get ok mileage? I want to keep it as close to stock as possible. I have done a lot of reading on this forum and some other ones. And I think they have been very informative. As of right now this is how I was gonna set it up. until you guys set me straight -fuel screws turned out 1.25 to 1.5 turns out - 400 main jets -pilot jets? - timing set at 28 degrees I believe that is 2 degrees advanced from stock- clutch weights need to be exactly 62 grams- oil injector setting ? need feedback Any suspension settings would also be appreciated I weigh 230 # and ride medium/aggressive, whatever the hell that means I guess on a scale of 1 to 10 , 10 being the most aggressive I am a 7. I just really need some feedback I have not owned a sled since my 1980 TXL that I sold in 1990. Man am I pumped to head north :div20: I havn't rode it yet. I know I should probably ride it for a while before I make changes. But I will not get a chance to ride it before I go north and I want to have a decent set up and I know there are some performance issues with this sled. but once you get it dialed in you have a beast. thanks for any input

Your thoughts are on the money. Leave the pilots and needle alone for starters. Run 2 qts mineral oil in the injector tank and 40-1 premix in the first tank of fuel. when you are close to the bottom or around 200 miles than switch to synthethic injectr oil. After about 20 miles various throttle settings run it like you will ride it.

i just bought one as well....i just want to be faster than an F7......not tryin to hi jack thread...

Everything is good what you said. if you are under 2000 feet set pilots to .35 if you are over 2000 like 2000 to 4000 set them .40 or .45 you will be safe. Have a great winter an ride hard.

You can change our pilots as soon as you get it and run the polaris oil in it. Don't baby, it ride it how your going to ride it, it will run alot better for you.

P.S try our sled frist with timing stock,I think you will be happy with it the timing won't change much. But the pilots will help out alot on loading up, and low end an mid range.

400 mains, 40 pilots, gear it down 1 tooth, install 10-64 weights, wave goodby to the sdi's

Seriously schmecky, you need to adjust your goals. The 600 HO is a great sled, but a proper running F7 should beat it almost every time.

If you want to beat a f7 all you half to do is get a hold of HTG they make a 701 kit for the 600ho its about $1700.00 it will give you over 150hp and you will smoke a f7 and even some modded f7 so for a little $ you will smoke him :beerchug:

That's not realistic unless you want to do lots of modding. My F5 would run with the 600HO...or at least VERY close (maybe a length in 1000'). It wasn't close with the F7. That said I'm sure it can be done, but you may as well start with a 700 dragon and save big money.

Why is it that the cat guys (Firecat cat guys) always feel the need to chime in in the Polaris section? I'm glad your F5 could run with a 600 not so HO...I'm sure if they made an F4 ditch pickle, that would dang near hang too!

...probably just lost.

I own a polaris.....I didn't see a bash.

I'm a snowmobiler.....this is a snowmobile site. Just trying to help.

I'm sure my F5 woulda run well with an F6 also...never ran one. I just know my F7 blows the doors off my F5....so if F5=Fuse HO that means HO does not equal F7...fact.

I work on all sleds. I've been through all that weight balancing / jetting on the HO....it runs good...just not going to be running down any late model bigger sleds IMO.

My sig....I can change that...if you take it personally....done.

I don't see a bash either. I own Polaris cause the dealer is real close and open all day Saturday and all day Sunday till 11pm. You would have a hard time proving to me that one sled brand is better overall than another.

Would you mind listing the mods that you've done to your F-5?

I've watched a ton of F-5s run on radar (Pattee Pond and North Pond in Central Maine) and I have yet to see a stock one that can compete with any of the modern 600s. F-5s usually run in the low- to mid-80s (mph) in 1000 feet on ice (stock class) whereas the 600s are usually running in the low 90s. A local resident has a 2000 MXZ 600 (not the REV) that regularly beats another local's 2003 F-5 from bottom to top. The old MXZ only put out 105-108 horsepower; the new 600s put out 120...which is 20 or 25 more than the F-5s do. The 600s also put out a lot more torque.

The Polaris 600HO crushed the F-6 at the Shootout last year and this year (stock and dealer prep). By the sounds of it, your F-5 would crush an F-6 if you ever raced one.

Did the rider on the 600HO outweigh you by 200 pounds?

THANK YOU
I've raced two F5's and it wasnt even close 5-8 sleds lengths

Go to the thread that polarisgoer started on the first page of the Fuse forum here. It's his sled ask him. His sled will run 99 on my GPS and would not beat my F5. I rode both and the fuse certainly wasn't real torquey...but my primary sled is my F7. Much better trail sled than my F5 sure. I could actually pull away from the 600 HO.

I'm well aware of the shootout results. The new F6 and HO both dyno 128. The fuse blew the F6 away again this year. Gotta get the power to the snow...responsibility of the tuner.

I spent lots of time with the clutching on my F5. The setup is no secret. I've given it to many members here. It even used polaris weights. I also had added timing. So basically clutching and timing and jetting. Same thing most guys here do. So still ISR stock. I even had the 1.375 track and would run with Polarisgoes on top end with his 1". His 01 600 would waste my F5 on top. Not close. I even burned my F5 down once while racing his sled...doh. I have more experience tuning than he did period. We got his weights balanced, R's correct, jetted down and would still not get my F5. The 01 was much faster. I raced an 06 Rev HO last year. I was able to stay ahead for about 800' until he peeled the paint off my F5 as he wizzed by. I don't see that top end performance out of the Fuse.

And FYI stock F5's have run over 100 in 1000'. Check world records for speed runs. That's lowered chassis of course. I believe they'll do about 95 with stock suspension.... AND a good tuner.

umm....wow....
i guess my goals are unrealistic???
its not worth spending money on my new sled to try and improve its performance??

i'm confused....so maybe i should have waited and bought a GT 500 instead of my beater 05 mustang GT cause i probably won't make that faster than any corvette .....

get my point....

i bought a sled cause the price was right....i like the way it looks....i'm fat i just kinda want to know what might be a good first step in achieving the goal i set....that being making my 600 HO faster than an F7

do i need to go with a big bore or stroker kit....or is jetting, clutching, tuning etc enough??

thanks for positive responses
:beer:

There is no way a Stock good running HO is going to get beat by an F5. Look at the Stock shoot out it's NOT even close the HO the F5 has 105 maybe on horse power. The 600 ho you raced maybe had one spark plug off. I've raced them even with light mods and still not even a contest.

I think I'll take the word of the shoot out from your one 600ho race I'm sorry but NOT incase you forgot


In the quarter-mile, the F6 ran a best time of 12.743 seconds at 91.46 mph in the box-stock runs. It wasn't the top runner, though. The new Arctic Cat was beat by the new Polaris 600 HO CFI IQ, which posted a best run of 12.463 seconds and 94.53 mph, despite its higher speed in run one: 98.68 mph! :smilielol:

Gotta love Cat guys. They're usually the ones with tongue studs, bad mullets, and homely women who wear t-shirts saying "Muffin cup".

OK, I'll have Polarisgoer respond to this thread. We did not race once...maybe 10 times...different days different conditions. I'm not trying to ruffel feathers here. Most of the time it was dead even and yup, he could squeak by at times also.

Like I said the last time we raced my sled even blew the engine. It was probably running too good that day. Blew a gasket, sucked the engine full of coolant and that was that. Home on a rope. Not behind the polaris of course I don't have the sled anymore. I don't have any mods to hide....nothing to hide. It was fast for a 500.




Now there's a genuine class act speaking. Thanks fellow cheese head. I'm white collar, hunt, fish, have a nice wife and daughter. I've run marathons...fast. Can you run three 5 minute miles in a row?? Thanks for painting that nice image of us though. Think about what you said about me and my family and then think about how you just cut my family down and sleep on that. I like thinking about guys like you when we are at our club and county meetings...oh wait now I'm being like you....

cmscat50-How many times over the last year have we had to hear about your F5 running down your 1 bud's Fusion...Thats just one Fuse 600, that was probably poorly performing. Honestly, thats great that it could hang...we get it. Thats the only reason why I said what I did. If I had a nickel for every time a Firecat owner was over on the Poo side spouting off about how much faster their sleds are, I'd have enough to buy another sled. :beer:




To get this thread back on topic...Honestly, the only way you're going to go head to head with an F7 is if you make the motor bigger. They may be unreliable and green, but they are fast in a straight line. I hope to find some this year to go head to head with. I've seen well setup 660s/685s out run F7s in 1000', but they are still going to be tough to hang with on the big end, especially the older ones. The approach angle of the track and the narrow width gives them a speed advantage, given equal hp. I think it was AFJ that said it best..."they're like riding a chainsaw through deep snow"...still cracks me up.

A fast, white collar guy who knows how to set-up F5's. Sounds like you should be smart enough to know when to move-on.

on much the same basis that I said earlier that a 600HO isn't going to beat an F7 (I assumed that similar states of tune on each was implied, but my apologies for not stating that)...

a typical F5 is not going to beat a 600HO very often (same state of tuning and mods).

I am not saying that there aren't 2 guys out there with sleds that have shown just that result, but I don't really believe that it is anywhere near a normal result.

Finally, schmecky, go ahead and mod your sled, have fun doing it, that's what it's all about. All I meant was that if an F7 owner puts in any effort at all they should be able to continue to show you their tail light, not that with mods you could never beat a box stock F7.

Maybe twice and only when appropriate..never ever bashing. How long have I been around here??
Honestly the Fusion was the best sled I ever rode until I bought my new sled.

I don't think I'm the one that needs to move on.

We get the idea. your F5 is Chuck Norris in disguise. Nothing left here to prove. Now go run those 5 minute miles.

Ahh guys take it easy now.. CMSCAT made the mistake to inform us AGAIN about his F5 but I don't think he's being a dink by telling his experiance w/ the HO. I agree with everyone here though, that was 1 HO you ran.. Must have been built on a Monday! Sounds like your F5 can run though.

So my first post started out just to help a fellow member realize that it is not realistic to chase a F7 with a 600 without heavy mods. I compared my F5 to the 600 and F7. No bragging. My test results. Then the disbelievers come out of the woodwork. Then I try and explain more so the kiddy's can understand and now I'm bragging....and apparently bragging again.

Once again guys I'm here to learn must like you. I'm trying to set this 600 up to run like I think it can...or maybe can't?? I have more tuning experience than the owner and since he's my cousin and lives a mile away AND I live for this stuff I'm trying to help.

And no AFJ...my F5 wouldn't run with your 105++ mph Switch. 101-102 was all she had. F5 is now gone so that's that.

well i guess i should no better than to ask very open ended questions.....

from now own i will be very specific...

i was looking at mods to my sled to make it > than an F7

and chuck norris is a badass....but the mussels from brussels will smoke him anyday :banana:



i meant > than a stock F7
i don't know how to edit my post

Here is what I don't get the kitty guys are sayin' that it is unrealistic to go after a machine 100cc's bigger than the H.O. without a heavy mods such as a stroker or big bore kit........ But I seen other posts about how the almight F7 was pickin' on modded fuse 900's and such and winning without a prb...... Next we'll be hearing about how a "F whatever" took down a machine with an aftermarket engine in it like PSI, Union Bay, or HTG.........ok so enough ranting

Yes it will take SOME work to beat a F7.....do you need to go as far as a stroker or bb kit prb. not..... If you just do the mods right take them one at a time or in small groups to make sure they work well together.... I am not going to start rattling off parts that might work well 'cause I have not worked with the H.O. that much I do have seat time and my own ideas for the one I rode but not every sled is the same nor are the owners looking to get the same things out of them.....but if all else fails and all you are looking to do is beat one in a lake race nitrous is prb. the best bang for the buck..... :banana: :banana: :banana:

I call BS. No one matching that description rides arctic cat.

Why do you like to think about the guy that just owned you on the snowmobile forums when you are at your club and country meetings rather than just enjoy yourself while you are there?

Three 5 minute miles? I hope you ran D-I track with that kind of speed, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

you run a 16 minute 5k?

well he said he runs three five minute miles in a row.

I wouldn't call being a dick to a fellow sledder getting owned...especially coming from a 40 year old.

(3) 5 minute miles is a 15:30 5K. I ran d3 college. Good D1 schools require 14's for 5K.

I don't know about the f7 i have never ran one going to run an 03 and an 06 but the f5 already ran one mine no studs stock jetting. and now i dropped the jetting and have 144 stud i would laugh if an f5 could keep up even. THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT. which is why the f7 thats and if the f5 is a CAN DO.

I have never understood the whole, "I wanna beat a sled in a bigger class" thing! If you want to beat an F7, buy a Dragon 700. I'm a Polaris guy through and through, but those F7's are fast sleds. Why don't you worry about your own class first. They don't build 600's to run with 700's, they build 700's to run with 700's. I'm just ranting here, but all you hear is how a 500 should beat a 600, or a 600 should beat a 700. As any rider knows No replacment for displacment!! Buy a bigger sled!! :frech32:

:div20: amen!

:banana: well some people....that being me.....like to work on their own equipment, vehicles, etc.....

i like to have hobbies and need things to keep me from going insane....one of those things is going to be working on my sled....whats wrong with having a goal in mind for my project??

if i wanted the fastest bone stock sled i would have went and bought something different.....i take pride in
being able to take something stock and modify it.....i do it for a living with cars and now i'd like to do it for a hobby with my sled.....

so stop tellin me to buy a flippin 700 or whatever....i already bought my sled...now i'm gonna modify it...

i'm just looking for some input, but in the end i'm just going to do whatever i want to because i guess no one in here seems to really want to give too much input on the matter...

F7 owns!!


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