Anyone heard any good rumors for artic cat in 2005. I heards its gonna be a revolutionary year for artic cat and the other brands. As most of you know all 2 strokes must meet emmisions standards for 2006 or will be discontinued. I brought this to the dealers attention and he said all the 2004's meet the emmision and sound tests therefore there will be no big changes for 2005. I read in several magazines that there still sleds... more then you think tha still dont meet these emission laws of the future. I heard new motors in the future with High HP and good gas milage as soon as 2005. I heard the reason alot of the big triples were dropped cause there is no way in hell you can get a Tcat, zrt, mahz etc... to meet emission standards also where i live you dont see many big bore sleds on the trails anymore... Saw 3 Tcats last year and a handful of zrts... just not selling either. Just curious if anyone has any strong info on the 2005 that will be here ver soon. 2005 might be the year for a new sled but im not sure.. Guess i'll have to wait and see :banghead:

HOW ABOUT A FOURSTROKE DERIVED FROM A SUZUKI GSXR 750 OR 1100
TO COMPLIMENT ARCTIC'S NEW DIAMOND DRIVE SYSTEM? IT HAS BEEN
A RUMOR FOR TWO YEARS NOW ( FROM A DEALER SOURCE) DO NOT KNOW
IF IT IS TRUE OR IF THERE IS A SECRET PROTOTYPE? IT WOULD BE COOL
THOUGH!

660 turbo 150+ hp my guess wiyh some graphics

Mountain cat riders get ready for a new chassis. Those of you who ripped polaris on their new one,Be preparred!!!! ITs going to be interesting

i talked to a couple dealers about what greehornet was talking about at some snowmobile conventions... and i qoute from the dealer " you spend to much time on messageboards online" and he laughed but that was last year so maybe 2005 will be different.

I heard they'll put the diamond drive in the firecats. But who really knows.

I heard the zr900 d-drives are having problems hooking up on hard pack but in the loose stuff there unbeatable any one hear or see any of this????? :arctic_cat_rules:

have not heard anything about the DD

Never heard any rumors but "long live the 2-stroke"!

You won't see a Suzuki 1100, since they haven't made it in nearly 10 years. It would be the 1000, if they wanted to follow the RX-1's lead.

Dealer told me yesterday, IT WILL be a F-8. Early release. Done deal.

That would be 5 years not that it matters

well seeing that suzuki and kawasaki murged the could use an kawasaki motor in a arctic cat sled. becouse ti would be the same as using a suzuki motor any way. if the put the suzuki 1300 gsr-x motor in a sled it would fly.

Kawasaki and Suzuki DID NOT merge! They are separate companies- 100%. They have collabored on ONE model (RMZ 250/KXF250) and have shared some other models to fill holes in their respective lineups.

HOW ABOUT A FOURSTROKE DERIVED FROM A SUZUKI GSXR 750 OR 1100
......This will not happen...the engine weighs too much. It is a very interesting idea though. I do agree with the Polaris quote. Things have been WAY too quiet for Polaris. I do see them with a very large new lineup for 2005. With a very good winter so far for MOST of the country I do see Honda stepping up to the plate with a sled. Honda has WAY to much money and like people said.....A honda sled would be something to see.....Could this be the year for a NEW AC 4 storke? With the 660 turbo's selling very well this could be AC's chance to push more into the 4 stroke market.
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Hoov165x wrote: Kawasaki and Suzuki DID NOT merge! They are separate companies- 100%. They have collabored on ONE model (RMZ 250/KXF250) and have shared some other models to fill holes in their respective lineups.

Hoov you are still off by more then you think... im sure you know the z400 and kawasakis 400 sport race quad are realated. My friend has the kawi 400 and if you look on the side of the motor it says "manufactured by suzuki" its more then just ONE MODEL! Get your eyes on new zx-10R that is based on the GSXR 1000 and im sure there will be alot of the parts used on that, that is used on the gsxr 1000. You are right they are 100% seperate companies but they collaborated on alot more then just the RMZ and KXF lineups! If anyone wants the whole run down on why the collaborated i will share what i know but i dont want to ramble on... then end

Titainium 4 stroke motor would be the answer, as it stands the 4 strokes are just to darn heavy.

The Zx-10R and GSX-R 1000 are nothing alike besides the fact they both compete in the 1000 class. Even the chassis are alien to one another. On the Suzuki the frame spars go around the engine, while on the Kawasaki they go over.

How about a turbo ts1000 fuelie v twin in a f chassis, with diamond drive????

if they would use any suzuki motor (4stroke) it might just be vtwin like the v650 and v1000 in there bikes now

Well I agree with some of you. I would expect a ZR900 dolled up with a t660 hood assembly, f graphics, taller seat and called a F9.

Any takers?

kurdt posted: The Zx-10R and GSX-R 1000 are nothing alike besides the fact they both compete in the 1000 class. Even the chassis are alien to one another. On the Suzuki the frame spars go around the engine, while on the Kawasaki they go over.

So your saying that even though they collaborated your saying suzuki had no info or output for kawi on the design of the new zx-10R? I beg to differ on that The zx-10r is like the gsxr 1000 but kawi took one great bike and made it better... the new zx10R is just that... 2 heads are better then 1 even if one is a coat rack. The zx-10r has alot more to do with the gsxr 1000 then you think... looks can be decieving. Look at suzuki's 2004 dirtbike lineup... see any new mini dirtbikes that are sold by suzuki that werent there in 2003? Looks exactly like kawi's mini's but with different plastic. Don't get mad im not trying to pick a fight but im crazy into bikes and spend alot of time on bikes and talking to people and dealers... just saying what i know and have read.

The agreement between Suzuki and Kawasaki is to share technology across the ATV, dirt bike and cruiser lines. Sportbike technology is to remain separate because of the racing heritage that each brand has built over the years.

Here is a copy of Kawaski's press release from 2001, found here Kawi & Suzuki Alliance:

Kawasaki & Suzuki Announce Alliance:
Kawasaki press release

Kawasaki Heavy Industries, Ltd. and Suzuki Motor Corporation have agreed to join forces in the development, procurement and production of motorcycles and ATVs. The alliance is expected to strengthen the companies' global motorcycle and ATV
businesses through combining resources. It will allow production of more new and
improved models for our customers at competitive prices.

Kawasaki and Suzuki will each continue to maintain their own brands, completely separate and independent from each other. We will each market and sell only our own brand motorcycles and ATVs through our respective dealer networks.

The companies will begin utilizing each others' expertise for cruiser, scooter, motocross and ATV models.Each company will continue its independent development of large displacement sport bikes.

Kawasaki feels that through this alliance we will be able to better meet the varying needs and expectations of our customers and more strongly compete in the global motorcycle and ATV industries.

Kawasaki Motors Corp., U.S.A.


You can't go wrong by picking either one.

F8 Man i hope here i come!!!!!!!
Skydog :beerchug: :div20:

This is going to sound real stupid, but with all the new electronics now days and Mazdas experience I wonder if anything could be done with the wankle engine? Or are they real dirty engines? They did have a neat sound in the old sleds. Tom W

In no way did I mention that, Suzuki and Kawasaki are not collaborating. It's obvious they are. But the only collaboration on the GSX-R1000 and a ZX-10R, would be ideas. I cannot think of a single part that is common between the two bikes.

Just bought a brand new F7 a mid season F8 would be a kick in the ballz. :flipa:

Betcha it's an F-8 that'll kick a ZR9's ass. 900 twin will only be in mountain machines. The ZR as we know it will disappear, amd only come with a 660 turbo and cateye hood.
Direct drive will be on the firecats and sabercats, i'm thinking.
Speaking of the direct drive, I ride with a '03 900, and this past weekend we swapped back and forth. Feels like the '04 is geared lower. At 50 mph, mine is about a few hundered rpm higher. Could be the clutching though. Acceleration is awesome, but then again, they both are. I think the only real advantage is the weight savings. Gotta say, when I was on the '03, I sure did'nt miss the gear whine from the DD. Those planetary gears are spinning ultra fast. Hope they hold up. Mine got a 300 mile thrashing this weekend.

They do this every year, its not like its a surprise. Just enjoy your sled and be glad there will be something better when you are ready to get a new one

i have heard DD on all f series except the sno-pros :banana:

Rumors of F9?

1000cc twin efi.... King Cat mtn sled. Not that I care about MTN riding but thats my guess.

May I say this to my fellow sledder in New york ? FEAR NOT ! Semi-direct, standard fuel injection, and orbital fuel injection will save the day for Two-Stroke fans in the area of emissions , into 2008-9. Untill about 6-7 years ago a 3-d fuel map(on snowmobiles) was unheard of. I would think at this point in time it would still fairly complex and more-over not cost effective to produce a 3-D fuel map for a triple. Four-stroke snowmobiles? Untill there is significant weight savings through possibly ceramic pistons, Ti block, and plastic compounds in the motor the four stroke "performance sled" is, and at least for the forseable future, will always be a falasey. Do you think that Ski-Doo and Polaris are going to be allowed to even announce a possible 900 that will meet epa with out an imeadiate and prompt responce from the company who's led the charge since 91 in large displacement motors. NO!

Hasn't Bombardier already meets the 2006 emissions standards ?

If they have this will be a huge advantage for them to get ahead.

This came right from my dealer that in the end of January there will be a F9. The big dealers will get 4 and the small dealers wont get any. I am 2 outa 4 on the list. Its supposed to be 160+HP.
~Krazy Kat~

Arctic-Cat will not be releasing a F-8 or a F-9! Think about it. They can't even get the F-5 F-6 F-7 to run right to many problems to fix to worry about a new sled right know.

The New BS 8 from Arctic Cat will arrive. A domestic four stroke four cylinder with low RPM and high torque. Based on the current ST chassis the BS will feature two (count them) two Briggs and Stratton Vanguard V-twin engines bolted together. This should give the RX-1 all it can handle and take care of the lawn duties in summer with the optional mower deck.

i think it would be cool if they added another type of -cat other than the firecat or sabrecat maybe like a Zcat 440 550 and 800 just to fill in the gaps between the f5,6 and 7. i dunno just pulled that one out of my a$$