Gettin2Old
Oct 13 2006, 02:10 PM
I got this off of Snowest, The new 115 belt is to be distributed to 900 Fusion owners FREE OF CHARGE!!
So, go get'em boys, do not let your dealer tell you otherwise!!
I know of someone that has this actual letter from polaris, maybe we can get him to post a copy on this thread so those of us with less than honest dealers can win the upcoming argument before it even starts.
Hint, Hint, C-F,
Mr. Motor-Mount Wizard up in the north country
BB Kinga
Oct 13 2006, 02:31 PM
It's not B.S. , my dealer called to let me know my new belt was in! According to snow week this belt is now standard on the IQ and ski-doo race sleds. :div20:
DeerHuntr
Oct 13 2006, 05:34 PM
Is this the case for the 700 owners as well or just the 900's????????? Just wondering, I've had my share of belt issues on my 700 as well, my dealer has warrantied 2 or 3 of them for me last year, I had heard that Poo wasn't warrantying belts but my dealer did it anyway, made me pretty happy
Gettin2Old
Oct 13 2006, 08:33 PM
More info:
I just yanked this off the Snowest site. i am still hoping to see the actual letter with identifying info blocked out from at least 1 person that works at a dealer. Hint Hint!!
Extreme Duty Snowmobile Belts; Polaris Part No. 3211115
Polaris has been developing an extreme duty belt (pt.# 3211115) that greatly increases belt life on 700 and 900 Fusion, Switchback and RMK models, as well as other models designed for the 3211080 belt.
Development has been completed with great results, and we are ready to supply the new 3211115 belt for you to manage with your consumers. Please look for your detailed letter from the Polaris Snow Team telling you how many belts we have shipped to you. This allocation of belts is being shipped to you at NO charge and does NOT require a warranty claim. The belts will be available for you to order on program or daily orders at dealer cost when we have completed our allocated orders.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dishing out these belts is at the discretion of the shop as they see fit
Make sure you are one of the "fit" ones
supply the new 3211115 belt for you to manage with your consumers.
ExcursionPSD
Oct 13 2006, 09:12 PM
QUOTE(DeerHuntr @ Oct 13 2006, 06:34 PM)

Is this the case for the 700 owners as well or just the 900's????????? Just wondering, I've had my share of belt issues on my 700 as well, my dealer has warrantied 2 or 3 of them for me last year, I had heard that Poo wasn't warrantying belts but my dealer did it anyway, made me pretty happy
Dealers giving customers belts, adjustments and other services without any reimbursement from Polaris has been fairly common in dealing with the problems the sleds have had the last several years. I am sure this is one of the reasons Polaris is distributing these belts to the dealers.
I am not very interested in hearing any more concerns or warnings about 'unscrupulous' dealers and what they might do with these belts, when many have bent over backwards already to take care of their customers.
Polaris is trying to take care of their dealers, finally.These belts are being shipped to the dealers for a reason.
To whom it may concern:
If a free belt was sent to you, would you expect the dealer to show you a copy of a letter and demand a free belt from you?
Pol900
Oct 14 2006, 03:25 AM
taking care of the dealers?? don't take this the wrong way but how about all of the people that threw down $9600 for the sled of the future and ended up being test pilots for polaris at our expense?
twitch54
Oct 14 2006, 08:21 AM
QUOTE(Pol900 @ Oct 14 2006, 05:25 AM)

taking care of the dealers?? don't take this the wrong way but how about all of the people that threw down $9600 for the sled of the future and ended up being test pilots for polaris at our expense?
well said, Pol900, my dealer did take care of me, he gave me more than fair value for my 900 turd towards a different sled. Dealers are human beings too, respect is a two way street, when both sides realize that the relationship is usually a good one !!
Gettin2Old
Oct 14 2006, 09:04 AM
Excursion,
I am not quite sure how to take your comments. Are you saying that you are sick of hearing about how many dealers try to screw their customers, and provide sub-par service. (such as the ones we saw last year that would not hand out the 111 belts without the customer trading them the 1080 they kept as a spare)
Or are you actually debating that fact that there are some dealers out there in "Poo-Ville" who are not all that honest and try charging for this belt?
Which one?
My understanding is that this belt is to be given to the IQ owners at no charge because of the 1080 quality issues, and the 111 being a complete failure too, that most of us have suffered with.
Maybe this belt should have been researched before the Fusion/IQ sleds even came out. Maybe it would have been a more successful unit.
Could you pleae be more clear on what you meant by that post?
Thanx,
FUSION900PA
Oct 14 2006, 10:08 AM
Just called my dealer a few minutes ago... He said he is trying to hold these belt for people that are having a lot of problems. I havn't had the problems that some have had, but it does sound like i may be able to get one.
sbkdrew
Oct 14 2006, 01:34 PM
QUOTE(FUSION900PA @ Oct 14 2006, 11:08 AM)

Just called my dealer a few minutes ago... He said he is trying to hold these belt for people that are having a lot of problems. I havn't had the problems that some have had, but it does sound like i may be able to get one.
This is due to certain dealers only being allocated a certain number of belts, my local dealer is getting 25 to distribute to their customers.
05fusion900rdr
Oct 14 2006, 02:25 PM
wait souldnt every fusion owner get one and not just the ones the dealer decieds to give them to?
xc8
Oct 14 2006, 03:50 PM
What do I do if my dealer went under, told Polaris to pick up there shit as he wasn't putting up with there poor answers anymore. :frech32:
How do I get my belt, my dealer replaced a few the first season as they would fray apart on the sides.
Never did get the belt that I was promised last year.
CompFusion
Oct 14 2006, 07:01 PM
QUOTE(ExcursionPSD @ Oct 14 2006, 12:42 AM)

Dealers giving customers belts, adjustments and other services without any reimbursement from Polaris has been fairly common in dealing with the problems the sleds have had the last several years. I am sure this is one of the reasons Polaris is distributing these belts to the dealers.
You are certainly correct about many dealers....As for if thats why poo is giving away belts, I dont think so..
QUOTE(ExcursionPSD @ Oct 14 2006, 12:42 AM)

I am not very interested in hearing any more concerns or warnings about 'unscrupulous' dealers and what they might do with these belts, when many have bent over backwards already to take care of their customers. Polaris is trying to take care of their dealers, finally.
Many dealers do bend over backwards but theres always a few that for whatever reason, financial or greed, try to fleece uninformed customers. Thats why you'll see those things posted here...to try and
inform the uninformed.
QUOTE(ExcursionPSD @ Oct 14 2006, 12:42 AM)

These belts are being shipped to the dealers for a reason.
You got that right....and I think we all know the reason..

QUOTE(ExcursionPSD @ Oct 14 2006, 12:42 AM)

To whom it may concern:
If a free belt was sent to you, would you expect the dealer to show you a copy of a letter and demand a free belt from you?
The only thing I demanded from Polaris is to give me the sled I thought I was buying when I laid down my money on a snow check sled that I had never seen....unless you count the non-functional show sled! I should not have to fabricate my own parts just to make this sled run as consistant and reliably as my old 600 edge. Truth of it is I have a GOOD Fuse...some other people should be demanding more from Polaris!
I really do appreciate your contributions to this forum as do many others I'm sure but you are going to hear from disgruntled owners here....probably more than satisfied ones. We can only hope the people with knowledge try and help the ones who may need it.
Cheers :beerchug:
IAPro-X
Oct 14 2006, 10:57 PM
Does anyone know who makes the belts for Polaris? Not the new 1115, but the 078's and 080's and the like. I have heard Gates,Carlise and Dayco. So who makes them?
Gettin2Old
Oct 15 2006, 10:06 AM
QUOTE(ExcursionPSD @ Oct 13 2006, 10:12 PM)

If a free belt was sent to you, would you expect the dealer to show you a copy of a letter and demand a free belt from you?
Click to view attachment
joshmad1
Oct 16 2006, 05:37 PM
QUOTE(twitch54 @ Oct 14 2006, 10:21 AM)

well said, Pol900, my dealer did take care of me, he gave me more than fair value for my 900 turd towards a different sled. Dealers are human beings too, respect is a two way street, when both sides realize that the relationship is usually a good one !!
What about my dealer who I have purchased 6 machines from in the last 4 years that just shrugs his shoulders when I ask him if he's going to take care of me when it comes down to a trade?
Where is Polaris with the relief funds to take care of trade-ins?
Don't get me wrong, I love my '06 900, but when it comes time for a new sled I'm going to get the pumice laden stick up the old bung hole!
It would be nice to know when trade time comes, I will be taken care of!
con-fusion 700
Oct 17 2006, 10:09 AM
QUOTE(joshmad1 @ Oct 16 2006, 07:37 PM)

What about my dealer who I have purchased 6 machines from in the last 4 years that just shrugs his shoulders when I ask him if he's going to take care of me when it comes down to a trade?
Where is Polaris with the relief funds to take care of trade-ins?
Don't get me wrong, I love my '06 900, but when it comes time for a new sled I'm going to get the pumice laden stick up the old bung hole!
It would be nice to know when trade time comes, I will be taken care of!

I havn't even thought of asking my dealer what kinda "deal" am I gonna get at trade-in time.....He's been good to me, but I"m not sure how well I'm gonna make out on tradin' this stone when the time comes, and I figure I don't reallly want to know...lol.... For the little $ this thing's gonna be worth, I think I'll end up just keeping it.
TheBat
Oct 17 2006, 10:48 AM
I understand that we all want a great trade in value, but let's be realistic dealers have a business to run and their margins are not big enough to eat a huge loss on a trade in. Even for their best and most loyal customers. Same story for the manufacturer. Yes, it sucks, but it is what it is.
larrypolaris
Oct 17 2006, 11:06 AM
At Hastings this past weekend. New 05 Fusions $4800.00 +tax otd.
All updates done 2 year warrantys.
tcwhitford69
Oct 19 2006, 11:37 AM
QUOTE(larrypolaris @ Oct 17 2006, 01:06 PM)

At Hastings this past weekend. New 05 Fusions $4800.00 +tax otd.
All updates done 2 year warrantys.
i would have to see this to believe this :banghead:
HONDAFIXER
Oct 19 2006, 12:27 PM
QUOTE(larrypolaris @ Oct 17 2006, 01:06 PM)

At Hastings this past weekend. New 05 Fusions $4800.00 +tax otd.
All updates done 2 year warrantys.
Sorry to say but they are still not worth it
Gettin2Old
Oct 19 2006, 01:45 PM
QUOTE(HONDAFIXER @ Oct 19 2006, 01:27 PM)

Sorry to say but they are still not worth it
I disagree,
although it is a gamble. And come on, we all know I had the biggest piece of crap fusion on this forum.
But for $4,800.00 for a big-bore in an IQ chassis! with a 3-year warranty. And this new wonder belt!!
I have heard of people retro fitting the 800 engine into these sleds and having excellent results
It is damn tempting but, I personally wouldn't do it, I'm still a little gun-shy from all the issues my unit had.
but then look at all the rockets out there, and look what polarisguru was able to accomplish with 16Lakelodge's sled, he turned that into a 120 mph rocket from a total toad that couldn't break 90 mph, and increased the fuel mileage by almost 50% at the same time!!
Ok, I made up my mind, I'll get a leftover 2005 unit, yank the engine, and sell that to get funding for the 800 swap, and of course the 800 will need a gentle massaging with some add-on goodies, the addition of a turbo would be the ultimate addition, but tough to do it! I would settle for nitrous and increasing the CC's.
So, anyone want a 2005 liberty 866? never used!!
05fusion900rdr
Oct 19 2006, 03:35 PM
wait im still confused shouldnt polaris have to send out belts for every fusion out there? how can they just send a certin amout to each dealer? thats stupid and every person that has one should get a new belt there sould be a belt for everyone!!!!!!!!!!
BlackStar
Oct 19 2006, 08:34 PM
QUOTE(05fusion900rdr @ Oct 19 2006, 05:35 PM)

wait im still confused shouldnt polaris have to send out belts for every fusion out there? how can they just send a certin amout to each dealer? thats stupid and every person that has one should get a new belt there sould be a belt for everyone!!!!!!!!!!
Alot of the Fusions aren't in the hands of the original owners any more so I assume Polaris is just sending out a number of belts and letting the dealers give them out at their disgression. I was at the dealers today, and spoke with the owner, and forgot to ask but nothing was mentioned. I'll have to ask when I'm back next week.
FUSION900PA
Oct 20 2006, 05:38 AM
QUOTE(BlackStar @ Oct 19 2006, 10:34 PM)

Alot of the Fusions aren't in the hands of the original owners any more so I assume Polaris is just sending out a number of belts and letting the dealers give them out at their disgression. I was at the dealers today, and spoke with the owner, and forgot to ask but nothing was mentioned. I'll have to ask when I'm back next week.
My dealer sounded like he wasn't going to give me one because i didn't have many problems with it. i never blew a belt on my sled, but of course i had to tell a fib and say i blew two so that i could get one. By the end of the conversation, it sounds like i MIGHT get one. My dealer has been awesome so far. He said he had two guys who blew 8-9 belts and was saving the belts for people like this.
polaris9500
Oct 23 2006, 03:24 PM
i got my my free belt today!!!!!!!!!
bogboypb
Oct 23 2006, 04:11 PM
Gettin2Old
Oct 23 2006, 04:26 PM
gee, that was helpful!
NOT
This leaves us in the same piss-poor position as the intro of the 111 belt.
Look at what some of the dealers tried to pull with that fiasco. Such as telling customers that they needed their spare (never used) 1080 as a trade-in for the 111.(probably so they could sell it to a non-fusion owner) And the clown show of a dealership I was dealing with at that time never even got that belt on my sled!! so I never even got to see if it did improve my sled!
Heres whats going to happen to the uninformed (non-forum readers) people that go to their dealer, the dealer will not make any mention of this belt being provided free of charge for problem sleds, they will take the $170.00 right out of these peoples pocket's and never blink!!
I started this thread so this would not happen to any of usll
WTF!?
blwnsmoke
Oct 23 2006, 06:38 PM
I've added to the post.. I want more specifics from them as I'm sure everyone else does
Laraby
Oct 24 2006, 04:28 PM
Just talked to my dealer while getting parts for my other sled and he said he had no idea about the new belt swap. Said that he was gonna make some calls and see if it is a free replacement. He started off saying that belts are high wear items and are not replaced free of charge.
On the good side he said he had a list of all the people that needed the fuel tank recall and my name was on it and had ordered that many kits.
05fusion900rdr
Oct 24 2006, 06:37 PM
QUOTE(Laraby @ Oct 24 2006, 06:28 PM)

Just talked to my dealer while getting parts for my other sled and he said he had no idea about the new belt swap. Said that he was gonna make some calls and see if it is a free replacement. He started off saying that belts are high wear items and are not replaced free of charge.
On the good side he said he had a list of all the people that needed the fuel tank recall and my name was on it and had ordered that many kits.
just what my dealer said today when i was up there said he hadnt heard anything and would make a call and check
Mthib207
Oct 28 2006, 10:53 AM
Got my new belt free of charge. Dealer is going to install belt and adjust clutches during my preseason service. $170.00 belt for free................ :div20:
tcwhitford69
Oct 30 2006, 10:16 AM
Ok. I have a 2005 polaris fusion 900 with 500 miles on the sled. The sled is still under warrenty. I called the dealer I bought the sled from and they said they did not have to give anyone a belt but they were going to give each person one belt but they want the belt off the sled. Does this sound right? Should I do it? Thanks for your help...
blwnsmoke
Oct 30 2006, 10:24 AM
QUOTE(tcwhitford69 @ Oct 30 2006, 11:16 AM)

Ok. I have a 2005 polaris fusion 900 with 500 miles on the sled. The sled is still under warrenty. I called the dealer I bought the sled from and they said they did not have to give anyone a belt but they were going to give each person one belt but they want the belt off the sled. Does this sound right? Should I do it? Thanks for your help...
You should print off the message Polaris sent to the dealers that is on here as well as snowest. It specifically states the belts are free of charge to the dealer and to the customer.
There is nothing in there that says the dealer is to take the old belt back. Love the shady dealers..
cfm
Oct 30 2006, 10:42 AM
Well, my experience is, is that some just plain old don't know schit ! I think a lot of letters some dealers receives goes straight into the paper shredder or to some secretaries desk.
Last Decemeber I went to local 'big dealer' and they had no clue what the '111 belt was. I told guy behind the counter, he got confused and asked another parts guy. he got confused and brought out parts manager, whom then didn't know, and pulled out a tech, which of course he didn't know.
Jeesh, I only wanted two (I mean $300 worth, doh) of the damned things.
So, I left, not even asking about other stuff I wanted to buy at same time.
So, drive all the way to next dealer. Pretty big, supposedly know mechanicals / parts better than the first.
I get the belts - thank God - and then they told me my wife's 600HO w/M10 took same stud protectors as my 05 900. Whent to install later - yeh right, same my ass - and ran back to that #2 dealer. Approx 40 min away. The guy rolled his eyes, brought me outside to an M10 Fuze and showed me how they slipped the protectors on all the way forward and then 'kinked' the rail to hold the protectors in place.
I said 'No fkin way' and came back and asked you guys at HCS. You guys gave me correct part #, which I called in to first dealer - they are closer - they didn't have. 2nd dealer didn't have or know about it even with me giving #, but the 3rd dealer did. Another 45 minutes each way, and I finally got what I needed.
Prob cost me 5-7hrs of my time and $100 in gas just to get a few damn belts and stud protectors.
Are you shittin me ?
So, around here anyway, I would say it is more not knowing from not caring then it is about stealing parts. But, yes, in a way, it is still ripping off the customer but more in a round about way.
fusion900
Oct 30 2006, 11:19 AM
My dealer had no clue about the 1115 belt and then they said I have to pay to have my clutches aligned before they but the new belt on.
ExcursionPSD
Oct 30 2006, 12:56 PM
The actual letters I have seen do not say the belts are free to the consumer. They are for the dealers to use in managing their relationship with the consumers.
Of course, as you all know, anthing can be posted.
Pol900
Oct 30 2006, 04:39 PM
QUOTE(tcwhitford69 @ Oct 30 2006, 11:16 AM)

Ok. I have a 2005 polaris fusion 900 with 500 miles on the sled. The sled is still under warrenty. I called the dealer I bought the sled from and they said they did not have to give anyone a belt but they were going to give each person one belt but they want the belt off the sled. Does this sound right? Should I do it? Thanks for your help...
put an old burned out 1080 on there before you bring it in. I got a couple in the shed that look like rubberbands.
FUSION900PA
Oct 31 2006, 06:31 AM
I got my free belt 1115 belt yesterday!!! I don't think i will need it, but i will hang onto it. I'll probably run the 1080s that i have left and 1111 before i use it. I have never blown a belt, so it could be a while before i have to use it.
Lamby
Nov 1 2006, 07:19 PM
I picked up my 11115s today. One of my 1111 belts was about to seperate and the other one was good. I wish I new which one was which so I can check for other problems with the clutch alignment and motor mounts.
Anyway, they were free as a one for one swap with my used 1111 belts
MidwestK
Nov 1 2006, 09:50 PM
Whats up guys. I wanted to see if maybe i could clear some things up for everyone. I work at a dealership and have personally seen the unofficial "bulletin" that came down from Polaris. These belts are being given to the dealership as compensation to the dealership to help improve customer/dealer relations. The belts are not promised to any 1 Fusion owner. Its at the dealers discretion to give them out to people who were known to have a lot of problems with there sled. Granted, who didnt but thats besides the point. They are not unlimited either. Each dealer is allocated a certain number and its very small. Now, which ever dealers are saying they need the old belt is full of SH*T!! Do not let them tell you that. There is no warranty claim for these belts. I was told to retain any 1080 belts that were found to be new so that they could be re-sold so chances are, thats what some of you are probably experiencing. Anyone who has questions can PM. Ill do my best to help without burning myself. Hope this info helps.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please
click here.