Good news for the people who were skeptical of the sled because of the naysayers, but bought it anyway. It's been getting rave reviews from the media, this is just one more confirmation.

The magazines love the sled, but everyone on here thinks its a POS. I think I'll listen to the magazine guys.
SOTY goes to the sled with the most innovative design, in that aspect, the Phazer had no real competition.
It just goes to show you, you dont need 150 hp to make a great sled.

i picked up my sons FX on sat. and we both really like it. Ordered one sight unseen and took a little gamble. But after a couple rips througe the grass, i think we made a great dicision. The looks and feel are incredible. Tell ya what. If they had a 120h.p., the Fusion 900 would be outta here. This thing is very impressive i.m.o.Light, nimble, and good power. Time will tell when the snow flies.

^Glad to hear it. I was personally happy with the power my '90 Phazer II had (62 hp), so I dont foresee being unhappy with the power of my '07.
What color did you get, XC8001?

Octane, We got the blue FX. Nice sled!

Which blue? Team Yamaha or Navy?

Sorry about that octane. Ya, we have the Team Yamaha Blue. Didnt care much for the navy.

Yeah, I dont like the Navy Blue either. When I ordered my FX they had a Navy Blue/Khaki one that I could have taken home that same day, but I took one look at it and though, "Ohhhh, thats ugly. I think I'll wait for a Yamaha Blue one".
The Navy Blue is OK, but the Khaki totally ruins it for me...

Sorry to break it to you but Slow Goer is a joke! To pick a sled before it is even driven is pretty silly to me!

lets see?! last year? sled of the year APEX? What a great pick it was!!!!!!!!!!!!

This year? Phazer? What a great sled it is!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course I'm not bais :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol: :smilielol:

Actually, they have ridden the sleds. They rode the preproduction models last March.
Thats beside the point though. The award is based on innovation. You dont need to ride the Phazer to see its the most innovative sled to come out this year.

Leave it to a Cat guy.

I personally can't wait to try somebodies. And even more so I can't wait until Yammy intros an 800cc version (Exciter anyone?) with 100+ ponies. That would rock!!!

You might not have to wait long, Doomsday. Rumor has it the Exciter will be making a comeback next year...

I hope you're are right even if I'm one ofhte ones starting rumors about it. I hope it happens. I'd buy a Phazer now if all the guys I rode with didn't ride 1000's. Im sure I'd have no trouble keeping up on ther trails but once we hit the river and lakes I think I'd be too dissapointed.

Just put a turbo on it. Theres a turbo kit that brings the Phazer up to 140 hp.

Nah, if I was gonna spend that much money I'd just buy an Apex GT or Attack GT.

Think about it though, a 140 hp Phazer would smoke an Apex just because of how much lighter it would be.

I'm sure you're right but reliability couldn't possibly be the same and the warranty would be gone fore sure. I know it's a Yamaha but first year sleds are risky regardless of make and when you start stressing a motor and all it's parts by adding 40% more power you are asking for trouble. I'd be more apt to put a turbo on one the bigger displacemet machines like the Apex where I knod full well R1 motors have been built to the hilt and survive regardless. The turbo Phazer is a novel idea though and would have to be scary fast!!!

yep, people just dont get it. doubling the power will drastically reduce its lifespan and greatly increase its chance of blowing up. even bone stock genesis 150's have tossed rods!

A few people on totallyamaha.com have turboed RX-1s/Apexs and they all report great reliability with turbos.
Remember, when you buy a turbo kit you usually get different pistons, connecting rods and bearings that are built to take the stress of the turbo.
You talk about how you know R1 motors can be built to the hilt and still hold up pretty well. Despite the fact that Yamaha markets the Genesis 80 FI as 2 YZ 250F motors fused together, you could also look at it as half of an Apex motor. If the Apex can handle it, I see no reason why the Phazer would have all kinds of problems with a turbo.
You are right though, a 140 hp Phazer would be insane.

SORRY TO BREAK YOUR HEART BUT DOWN THE TRACK THE PHAZER FX IS BEATING THE FUSION 900. ON THE LAKE THE BIG TWIN HAS LONGER LEGS BUT THE 4 STROKE WONT BREAK!!!!!!!!!

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The Phazer engine is ROCK SOLID!!! They use R-1 rods and half of an R-1 crank in this engine, the pistons are very impressive, this is coming from an engine builder at Outlaw with enormous turbo and Yamaha engine experience! Turbo kits DO NOT come with rods etc. unless you pay extra and a lot extra. A standard turbo set up or super charger from any of the various companies, MPI, Boondocker, CPR, Alpine, MC-Xpress, Powderlites, Lightening pro etc. costs you about 6000.00 give or take 1000.00 installed with all accessories, guages, clutching etc. MANY Many folks on TY run turbo's on STOCk Apex and Vector's with NO problems after thousands of miles! An Apex or Vector can handle up to 17 lbs boost on 110 race fuel STOCK, NO motor modifications , except a head shim, which not everyone does! More than 16 lbs and you will need rods and pistons etc.. , most people can't handle more than 17 lbs anyway because if you get off the throttle then back on in a climb or anywhere they HIT so hard it's hard to control the power! The longevity of these engines is entirely up to you the owner! If your running a turbo you must run the according octane rated fuel for your boost level, this is how they go BOOM. Not running high enough octane and detonation happens. Boondocker has already ran 16 lbs boost to the Phazer on stock rods and crank with NO problems dynoing at 165h.p. and with a 35 h.p. hit of nos seen 206.3! This was with larger injectors and a 22mm turbo.
Don't under estimate these engines and or make statements your not experienced enough to back up! I could go on with examples but I'll leave it at this and say that the enternal rumor is a 900 twin in the FX chassis at around 120 h.p. . Yamaha works in three year cycles so I wouldn't realistically expect it next year but would LOVE to see it. I figure in a couple years we'll see the bigger twin and just like motor cross eventually everyone will make the switch to 4- stroke technology!
Honda, "of all companies", just anounced that ALL 08' models will be 4- stroke, bike, atv etc. ALL OF THEM. Yamaha will be in 09' , it's only a matter of time before this happens to sleds! Hell 6 yrs. ago we never thought you'd see a 4 stroke motocross bike winning, now they dominate! Look at the BIG picture! Yamaha doesn't have a history of factory turbo's on anything, but I'd sure love to see a boosted 900 twin in the FX chasis for a snow check option, especially with the Mnt. sleds! All we need is 8 lbs to 10 lbs boost on a 120 h.p. engine in the FX chasis and walla, the best weight to H.p. ratio and technology in the business!!!!!!!!!!!! Unfortunately like I said, they're not known to run turbo's and this is more a dream than reality.......... :drunk:

Excellent post man, you are obviously someone who knows something about Yamaha, and the history of how the company works. I agree totally with you on the turbo thing, those engines will take it. I ride with a vector turbo dyno'd at 220hp, motor has close to 10,000km never misses a beat, and those miles are all river, lake and wide open fields. Its never been trail ridden. That is also on the first model year 3 cylinder and when the guy bought it everyone told him it wouldn't last and that he was crazy for buying it. :beer:
Its only a matter of time, until 4's are what we have, I bought my first one this year and I was one of those "only two stroke" guys. :banana:

Which turbo are you putting on the Phazer?? Are you installing it yourself? I think a turbo Phazer will be one of the coolest sleds on the snow. Definately unique!!

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IM putting a Mcxpress turbo on my phazer in Mid November. For more info check the alaska section for pics and details.

I rode the phazer last march at a demo ride that hardly anyone one showed up at. This gave me the opportunity to ride it about 4 times for 15 min. each. The handling was awsesome and similiar to a four wheeler. The machine is very fun to ride. However, the power was very dissappointing. Granted on the trails it wouldn't suffer against any machine, matter of fact it would out handle anything in the twistys. Don't expect to ride with your buddys on a corridor or lake, they will blow you away. As far as yamaha's track records, I wouldn't buy anything that is put out the first year, which is true with almost anything. Usually the people who buy the first models are the guinie pigs for whats to come. Good things come to those who wait!

Time bump :beerchug:

The new sno-goer isnt giving it rave reviews here is their report card:
Ride: B, part bike, part atv, part snowmobile
Handling: B, Fair, but not an easy jumper
Engine: B- ,Serious vibration problems
Looks A+ possibly the most radical looking sled ever.

It was also $900 more than any other sled in the test.

B- was the lowest score given to any engine tested, and only one sled scored lower in the handeling department (freestyle)
It was tested against the 550 frestyle, 550 mxz x, Z570, 500 xcsp, and poo supersport.

The mxz 550 x, poo supersport, 500 xc sp, and Z 570 all tied or beat it in every catagory but looks

And take it for what it's worth. Typical Slowgoer, say one thing and then say the exact opposite a couple months down the road. Not a couple months ago they were raving about the sled calling it the next generation of snowmobiling. Now they've changed their mind? Odd. Not to mention the video of Erickson calling the thing a "hoot" and raving about how well it rides. Everything they said and were video'd before would not lead you to believe that it's a "B" sled. A "B" sled they would give sled of the year to? They haven't even ridden production models so it's not like they've ridden something different during the summer. I remember when one year they rated one of the Polaris's best of class and raved about it. The next year they dogged it like you wouldn't believe. The sled hadn't even changed from year to year heh, and nothing major from the other manufacturers. The point of this thread was not to say that Snowgoer said the sled rocks and you should buy it. The point was that it's getting rave reviews by those who've ridden them including the press and the Sled of the year title would just add to it.

Check the Supertrax Phazer article this issue. The review was pratically a Halmark card they were in love with it so much... So take everything with a grain of salt. Especially Slowgoer.

570 definitely doesnt belong in this category. There is no reason they shouldnt have used a new f5... Other than the fact that cat pussed out of the ride reports. I think this is where snowgoer sucks. They compare the wrong sleds to each other. Poo doesnt have a modern chassis to compare so thats a reasonable choice but the cat doesnt belong.

1 minor correction... My 82 Yamaha Seca is a factory turbo.

http://www.members.shaw.ca/diatech/Seca/Se...ont%20Right.JPG

-Steve

Phazer + Turbo kit= Mod sled with no warranty that is no faster or cheaper than an Apex or a REV. If you need faster, just buy a larger motered sled. Big HP mods on a small sled are generally a waste of money.