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gonna need alot of nos to turn 174" track

The only think something that long is good for is going straight up.

yeah steep and deep

That is crazy. Who makes extensions that long?

:burp: wonder what kind of engine would you need to spin a track that long 16 inchs wide with a 2.5 to 3 inch lug holy shit....

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EDIT: Well it's what I think I need

Take a 162 and do a minor set back. get a couple inch rail extensions and a big wheel kit and you will have it licked. only 6 more inches or so of extra track on the ground and length between the 174 and a 162. Might beable to get away with out even doing a tunnel extension since it isn't that much longer. On a 3 inch pitch track that is only 2 more lug rows making contact with the snow over a 162. If you can boondock with a 162 you should be able to boondock just fine with a 174. I can boondock just as well with a 162 versus a 151. So I don't think boondocking will be a major problem. If you are trail riding it will be a little long as with any mtn sled is. Might take a little extra power to turn it but with these 1000 skidoos and 1000 AC making damn good power with little mods they would be a perfect candiate for this track and then watch your buddies get jeolous everytime you set the highmark. Perfect track for a turbo'd yammy or anyone of the 1000's or a few 800's with some mods.

ohh the great debate. ive been thinking of getting a 174 for my prox...i could make some mean highmarks with a track like that!

I think it would be really good in the powder and soft conditions but hard to build alot of track speed with it.

with something that big i think it woudl even be hard with a turbo to wind up :frech32:

like mtnsnopro said it's only 6 more inches on the ground than a stock Apex Mtn so I don't think it would be to hard to wind it up.

Remember back when 159 was the big dog?

that was so 2003

no thanks. I am getting a 153 and that is plenty for me. I would rather boondock than highmark anyways. To each his own I guess.

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Thats a good track for Quebec#2 since he had a powder machine !

ok, seriously, who needs a frikkin 174?? how many bottomless pow days come in a year? some places have more than others but it's not that many!!

a person shouldn't need anything more than a 144 or 151 max on a mountain sled. anything longer you're just lazy. i mean, come on, get your butt off the seat and ride the thing!! maybe the 174 should come with a optional autopilot to ride the sled for you........... :frech32:

it's track speed that gets you up high too......

here we go.........

I call BS.........................................and I win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is the 174 to make up for the 60" ski stance?????? LMFAO




Have you ever rode with a turboed apex / RX-1 MTN or a super charged one???

If they only had a 144 or 151 more so in a 144 they would be a huge trencher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would say the 174 is f-n huge, but not out of the picture. just my 2 pennies!

no i haven't. don't know anyone that's done one of those.

for the turboed/supered sleds i could see, but that's it.

what fun would it be riding the thing?? wouldn't turn worth a damn in the trees and tight stuff. my dad's M7 with a 162 is bad enough.

just seems stupid to me but whatever floats your boat right?

Yea...

I've ridden with guys that could boondock better on a 162 then most people on a 151.

Tipped up rails and lots of power make it feel a lot shorter then it really is.

Am I the only person that thinks short tracks look gay? Anything less then a 144 should be discontinued.



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:frech32: Not every one only mountain rides, and 121's are fun as hell off trail






with that being said 174 is huge! but if some one wants it thats cool, alot of older people dont wanna go over to trail riding, but they also dont wanna dig them selfs out all the time... :div20:

I've seen guys though that could outride 80% of the riders on a 162" with a short track. All long tracks do is compensate for lack of experience and alow you to use less track speed to do the same thing as a shorter track so you can creep through the trees ect. IMO though once you hit the 162 mark it gets hard get around in the trees. Wasn't much more then 10 years ago when a 136 1.5 was a huge track.

wow 174 holy shit, now thats a track that would make any sled float(on water that is) lol

i agree 100% long tracks like that are made for places we will prolly never see . I love my short track is alot more fun to work your way up a hill then fly straight up it. Long tracks are for people who cant ride short tracks in the hills IN MOST CASES not all i know theres some of you out there that ride in no mans land and a short track would be a memory up there.

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it comes down to this the guys with the short tracks you can talk all you want about how you can go anywhere in the powder, you should try a mountain sled in the mountains it is unbelieveable how much better it is, i had a shorty but sold it, i love my mountain machine I understand that 174" is a touch long but when you have 250hp you need it and yes it seems like it would be easier but dont put moun tain riders down cause some of us are fat a lazy remeber when have to dig those big pigs out when we get stuck!! Plus most everyone on this website like the slednecks (right) most of those guys grew up in the mountains and i guarantee you they are much better riders than most of us. just to let you know it makes me upset to see people bickering about different riding cultures

Supplicate you're cool. I think when ddanks700 and I go out west we should get together and have a beer. Short tracks are gay, and whoever thinks that their short track can go anywhere my king cat can go is gay too. I can't believe that you guys are on a mountain sled forum and are bitching about a track that will make you be able to climb higher and go farther either. You guys that think a long track is just for lazy asses should just stay on the lake and race. Don't say your mountain riders if you ride a short track either. Anyone that is from the West will tell you the same thing. Just my two cents!!! Here's a picture of a coulple of "lazy" mountain rider sleds for ya.Click to view attachment

WHO CARES :banghead:

The guys i'm refering to are locals born and raised and probably ride more in a winter then I can hope to in a lifetime, that i've met and road with in both the Big Horns and West Yellowstone. Its funny how the only one I saw on anything longer then a 153 was riding a modded 1000rt summit which i'm guessing needed the 162 track to make up for weight and power of the sled. I'll agree the boosted 4strokes need the bigger track to prevent trenching but then again they aren't going to be the boondocking sleds either.

Yes I'll agree a short track with the same rider won't take you to the same places as a long track but to say that you need a long track to get there is a good example of someone without experience and unwilling to admit it. My brother was out with a group in Cooke City a few years ago on a bottemless powder trip it was snowing 1ft every 6hrs. Anyway they made the mistake of taking a short track F7 and a F7 ext with for there first trip obviously not a great mtn sled. The rest of the group was made up of about 5 guys that had been riding for 20+ yrs riding 151 modded 800 polaris rmks and then 2 other guys with modded king cats and about 5yrs of experience. The way i understand it they two KK guys were picking on the newbies and there shorttracks which the polaris guys had invited them with and said they would be fine not expecting that much snow. So the most experienced of the Polaris guys challenged the one KK guy but used the F7 ext instead to everyone surprise he outhighmarked the KK guy(guessing he wasn't a good rider) it took effort they side alot of sidehilling and such but it shows he could do it. All i'm trying to say is you don't have to have a 162 or 174 or 2.5lugs to ride in the mtns. I consider a Mtn sled starting at 144X1.5 and bigger and just like anything else the more your challenged the better you get. Now I can only hope in my lifetime to get half as good as some of the locals i've met and rode with but its a goal atleast.

To the good riders a 174 will not be hard to boondock with. An apex with a 162 is not hard to boondock with to a good rider. Pick up TS 5 and watch a women carving with a apex and handling it just as well as most riders could handle a short track sled. I have rode with people with these ultra long sleds that are right there with the best in the trees and can go farther on the mtns. I actually think the longer the track the easier to boondock personally. More flotation which keeps on top of the snow easier which means less throttle which means there is power in reserve when needed. Nothing worse then being in 3' fresh snow with a 141-144. Spend the day with the throttle pinned and the skis in the air because of trenching. Heck on my boosted 153 m7 I have had days this year already that I wish I had a longer track for boondocking. Even wished I had a longer attack 20 a couple times instead of a 153 challenger. Never got stuck but did have to work alot more and couldn't carry the speed of the less hp boosted apex as I couldn't get on top of the snow as well as the longer wider track. I even had a 20 hp advantage. The only reason I didn't buy a longer track for my build is I still like to get airborne and I have had a 162 on drops and such and I just feel more comfortable with a shorter track like a 153 in the air. Thinking about going to a 174 next year on my mod. Got to get truely use to the power I am turning first. Put the same great mountain rider on a 141-144 or a 174. I guarantee you that the great mtn rider will be able to do every aspect of riding better with a 174 except maybe extreme jumps and drops. That is where the fellas from AK with 121-136 rule the show is on drops and such.

The average rider that maybe rides the mtns around 6 times or so year has no business with a 174 as they will get themselves in trouble. Most don't have any business with a 162. Alot have no business with a 151-153. Ride the mtns as I do everyday and there will be many occasions where you want more track. There are also days that a shorter tracks on fun. Next year I believe there will be a manufacturer spinning a 170 something track as an option and there shortest track for that same sled will be in a 150 something from the factory.

In AK i ride a 136", mainly for the jumping and dropping aspect of it but also because when you have to ride on trails (and you do have to to get to the good places way in the backcountry) anything bigger than a 144" feeling like riding a tracker. my bro rides a 151 RMK 800 and on my 800 Prox2 136" i can go anywhere and every where he can....his main advantage is his skis stay in the snow where as mine are 2 feet above the snow ALL THE TIME. it can get annoying but i kinda like the feeling, plus im good at carving without the skis in the snow.

there are days when i wish i had a super long track though...like one time i was in Paxton and the two nights before we got there it literally snowed 7 feet......i was soooooo fucked the 151's couldn't even make it 100 yard off the road before they lost all momentum and sank. we met a group of guys out there with tricked out mod sleds (1200 water craft with 166" tracks and NOS) and they were as stuck as we were. i had to bust out the snow shoes and pack a path/ runway to get me moving. we were out there for 15 hours and only rode about 500 yards....there is a such thing as too much snow....but i bet that 174 would have helped.

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Here is a pic of this 174" track.

That is TOTALLY SICK :div20:

long tracked sled IS NOT needed to ride in the hills. believe it or not, we do have powder here in the north east, or, when we get snow we do have places to ride in powder. last year i was riding with my 440 in the hills and i got burried, i stepped off the side of my sled and fell tit deep in powder. i was riding with the new fusion switchbacks, i think it was a 159" with a 700, that thing got burried alot more than me, and i rode alot more places than him. to say that you need a 144-151-159-162 is just dumb, you gotta know how to handle a sled to ride a short tracked sled in the mountains. for example, lok at teh slednecks, look where they go with all their short tracked 440's. just my 2 cents

a switchback is 144 but anyways you may ride in powder but you dont understand you have to compensate for the elevation difference, what are you riding at? you said hills, long tracks are in the mountains oh and at 10,000 ft plus

oh yeah powdwer king LOVE IT!!!!!

Were are you riding at that you only ride above 10k. Cooke City, Big Horns, West Yellowstone, and Island Park are were i've rode and I would consider all of them Mtn riding. Cooke City is the only place i've rode above 10k and only for a short while most of it is below. Long tracks don't compensate for elevation HP compensates for elevation. A longer track actually makes a lack of HP more noticeable in some conditions as it takes more to spin.

i ride in cooke and the snowies, why do you want to see what a 159 can do??? feb 2 i will be in cooke and march 10 i will be in the snowies, i am sorry i didnt write down exactlt what i was thinking i meant a 440 cant go up that high and run very well, granite you can have it dialed in and it still isnt going anywhere, oh well dude i no i am wrong everybody on here that thinks shorttracks are the greatest sleds in the world, IF YOU THINK THAT STAY OFF THE MOUNTAIN PAGE

If you didn't read my sig I have a M7 153" and I'll be in West Yellowstone when your in Cooke. I've rode 121X1.25, 121X2.0s, fcats with a 1.0, fcats with a 2.0, Ms and a dragon with 153s, 155s, and 162s so i've tried it all and owned a fcat with a 151X2.0 track, and now the M, and no I don't need to ride or see what your 159 will do i know a track that long isn't for me. Sometimes the challenge of riding the short track is half the fun.

I'm just sick of these people that unless you have a 151 or longer you can't ride out west thats just naive they did it for years before we had tracks this long. We all have to start somewere and half the reason we are having so many people killed in avis is that with a 162 150hp sled you can go someplace you don't belong right away. I've seen guys that rented sleds like that and gotten into place that are high risk avalanche areas and when they see your pack, beacon, ect they ask whats that stuff for. You can have just as much fun with a short track and you learn to become a better rider and you won't get to places you don't belong untill your ready for them. I guess i'm just trying to say to each there own and you don't need to have a huge track to ride out west. There are days I'd consider trading my M7 off on a CF7 and put a 2.0 on it i'd get most places out west and have just as much fun if not more then the guy on a 174".

alright i understand what you are talking about, seriously if you are riding in areas that you shouldnt wouldnt that make you kinda dumb for not asking someone out west where you ride about avalanches plus (this maypiss someone off) but if dont have a beacon,shovel,and probe should you be highmarking??? well not in my group i understand its expensive but we like everyone to come home safely. Yes I agree it is fun to go out with a shorty i have done it by the way how did you like your F7 151 I built one also i like it? anyways I am not going to bicker with you about this we both ride mtn sleds ( Have you been to West Yellowstone before?)

It was a blast to ride would have been better with a A20 track as I rode a F7 128 with the 1.7 a20 snopro track last time out I helped a friend put togethor works pretty slick. Been to West twice now for about a week each time. I agree its dumb to ride in dangerous areas without gear and knowledge but its easy for people to do with newer sleds then with the sleds of old thats all i'm trying to say there I guess. Anyway have a good trip. Maybe see you in the Mtns sometime.

I remember when I bought my first brand new sled (95 Powder Special). It was the bomb with it's 136" 1.4. We thought that everyone was stupid when the two inch tracks came out. How could you spin that? You don't have enough power! Soon that was the OEM track. I ended up putting one on my PS. We have been seeing the evolution continue.

Are short-tracks in the mountains fun? Absolutely!!! A friend of mine still rides a '91 Phazer with a 121" 1.5. He can go almost anywhere that the rest of us can. Just not as fast. And he can't start out on open powder. He has to do the circle and park on a packed track. And as long as no super steep hills are involved. In the end, he knows that the rest of us will pack him a track and he can get right out.

Would I give up my 159? Absolutely not. If I could have gone to a 166 without extending my tunnel, I would have done that. For the guys that like to climb, a 174 will put a bigger smile on their face than a 162 or 166 could. When I went riding last weekend, the only guys having as much fun as I was were all on 155 or longer tracks. The 144 and 136s in the group were stuck all day. The shorter sleds are fun, but a lot more work to ride out west. Granted, we were in a sick amount of powder, and the rider still has the majority to do with it, but when push comes to shove, I'll stick with the longest track I feel comfortable with. When I eventually shred my 159, I will in all likelyhood go longer. Probably not a 174, but by then there will be a 180"+ track on the market!

I am sure that many of the people that think a 144/151 is as long as you should ever go with a track are the same ones that hated the 136 back when they all had 121s. Why don't these people just give it up? Sure, there are some people who shouldn't be on a sled with a 174. But there are still people who shouldn't even be on a sled, no matter what the track length. They shouldn't even be on an old Yamaha Sno-Scoot.

As far as letting people who have no business in the steep and deep on a rental sled (or their own) with a big track, it is called Darwinism. You gotta weed out the stupid people somehow!

Many of us out west feel that way about guys in the east with a trail sled that will go 100+ mph. WTF do you need that for? That is how guys back east get their rocks off. Just like us going vertical or slicing the trees in the powder with a long track. You guys weed each other out with high speed crashes. We weed each other out with avalanches. To each their own.

Tit deep in powder with a 440, boy I'd like to see this. Did you got stuck close to a tree well??

Funny thread.

Sledneck141 and his buddies can mostly follow me around on a 162 with their 121's in chest deep powder. They were getting stuck more than me though.

I can take my 121 anywhere yours can go!!!

Don't be so naive. In deep snow in rolling hills or flat ground yea you might be able to go everywhere we can with long tracks. But now start a climb and i would like to see you go everywhere a long track can go. You can have all the power in the world but if you dont have enough track your not gonna go anywhere. Perfect example was when we were out west this year. Best friend as the new 600 HO w/155 and i got an older 600 w/136. Pointing straight up the hill he would be able to climb it and i wouldn't. To prove it wasn't the rider we switched sleds and we had the same results, his sled would make it mine wouldn't.

If you want to run your 121 out west that great good for you, but to come into the Mnt. Forum and knock people that have long tracks is stupid. Each has it purpose and to each his own.

I agree with you.....there is no way that your going to climb and real hill without a long track. That was proved this year when i was out west with my short track. I didnt expect to go anywhere though. I just had fun highmarking my own spot. My buddy would zoom by me on his 144 no problem to get to the top. There is a difference in riders though....some guys were taking there 121's to the top of the hill, and i would bet that one of those guys who ride mts all the time could have done it with mine.

Hers a pick of me trying to get up a hill that i struggled on with my 121. My buddy who was with his 144 past me, stopped at the top of the hill and took a picture.

Those are all 600 or 800 mods