Lets all jump on board with Hooper1000...Our brothers and sisters of the UAW need our help. With the declining domestic auto industry and increased out-sourcing we need to help support the unfortunate members of the UAW.

Please open your hearts to them by sending donations to UAW local 455 110 Florence St. Saginaw, Mi 48602.

A few donation ideas are:

1) If your import car payment is less than a domestic car payment please send the difference.

2) If you own an import please send $100 a month to compensate for the reduced maintenence/fuel cost

3) adopt a UAW family....maybe help out with Christmas gifts or a turky dinner?

4) Its getting more difficult to afford liquor...any beer/wine/booze will be accepted

5) Weed also...its getting more and more expensive. Dime bags, joints, roaches...what ever you can spare.

Thanks in advance....with your help the UAW will maintain its strong hold on michigan.

Mmmm, how about Maddog 2020 or Boones Farm?

Bless You....Your donation will make life for some poor unfortunate UAW worker more bearable.

Thank You

LOL :smilielol: ........I loved your "pieces of shit like my UAW father-in-law" story on the other thread.
Bringing your wife into the fairy tale was a nice touch. :fluffy:

Sorry....No fairy tale. My wife really can't stand him. She has put him in his place many times...even has said her mom would be better off if he would just drop dead. Its a shame because she's an only child who has no feelings for her dad.

Sounds like ViperTom needs the assistance brother HCS members. He is busy trying to collect donations for lousy UAW members when he really needs help of his own.
As he stated in another thread, "......on the other hand...I have Blue Cross. It cost me about $240 a month in premiums (its free for my father-in-law), A $20 copay for doctors visits (free for UAW workers) and a $15 copay for prescriptions ($5 UAW) and he's complaining to me about his $75 annual out of pocket cost???? Last year I had over $3000 out of pocket for my family."

This state wouldnt be this state, it is or would this country without the UAW.

All to correct....and people wonder why the Economy in Michigan is slower to recover than every other state in the US.

Coincidence????

:smilielol: :div20:

The Union had it's place at the right time, to that I will agree. But I am thinking that time has come and gone. My father worked at Ford MoCo for almost 30 years, and never had many nice things to say about the union other than the benfits negotiated.

I on the other hand have had two computer programming jobs outsourced, and things are iffy for my third, and currently I am paying 460.00 a month in insurance premiums. So when I see news clips about workers griping that they will have to pay $700 a year for health insurance, or they might have to leave the state to work at another factory, I can not offer much sympathy.

But then again we all have our stories and problems. The thing that matters the most is that Michigan turns it's economy around so we ALL can benenfit.

:div20:

I've never been for or against unions, but right now I'm wondering what/who they stand for.

My husband is Local IBEW58. His employer has not paid his benefits for 6 months, our benefits run out this month and the employer has been taking approx $150 a week out of his check for his vacation fund (required by the union) In May we were supposed to get approx $3500 (which was taken from his check) for vacation fund, received $900, monies are still being taken from his check and has not been applied to his vacation fund

He went to the President of the union two days ago along with the other employees. She said "if things are so bad, why don't you go somewhere else?" Well, Mrs. President of Local IBEW58, there are 2000 guys in the union hall waiting for a job, where do you go She also said that his employer owed the union "overdue dues" which they will receive first before these guys get what has been taken from there checks. It was also suggested that they not make waves

So, while I will not union bash as each union is different, what does the union do for an employee. My husband has been with the same company and in the same union for 10 years

She did also mention that in the next year 2000 Detroit Edison Employees will be losing their jobs

Man...I wish a had stats to show the average education level vs. rate of pay for the uaw members. Compare that to say the education and pay of jobs like school teachers, nurses, engineers, police officers, fireman....you know...important hard working careers.

I'm sure you would be suprised at who is over paid and who could use a pay increase.

Agreed.

The UAW really did help the auto workers and America way back when the job conditions were unsafe and they were taken advantage of by the big 3. Job conditions were improved (still can be dirty and unsafe in some cases) and wages were increased to fairer levels. But now look...you have some of the highest paid production workers in America with incredible benifets all at a cost to the people who buy thier product....us the average American. So when the auto industy lays off members and thier benifets run dry they get no sympathy from me. Maybe go back to school and get a degree....send out some resume's and land a job making 40-50k a year....if you can afford the pay cut.

I don't believe that. Back in the day my dad and my g-father, neither of them had a union, and did very well on their own. (Oh yea they both had COLLEGE degrees). I believe if everybody was paid on somekind of production scale you would see a whole differrent personality, people would take more PRIDE in their workmanship, not just an hourly pay......Oh yea I don't have nor want a union, I have a degree, and own business, so if I screw up it's my own fault, can't wait to be bailed out.. :celebrating:

A couple years ago I went to Dodge Truck in Warren 3 times in 1 day for employee's overdosing on herion in the bathrooms. All kept there jobs because of the union.. thats the problem alot of times they protect people that F n and dont care.

:banghead:
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: First off uaw workers are all not uneducated . it takes a 4 yr schooling not a trade school either . so what is your prob with hard working uaw people ? iam by no means saying that there are not people in the uaw that get paid way to much for what they do but o well are you pissed because you did not get into as well ? and as far as this state or the whole us for that matter is all fucked up .i was a 687 carpenter for 6 yrs that union is as fucked as the rest they where letting mexicans come and work for the union no schooling no green card no anything , could not even speak english , so they layoff a bunch of hard working guys to let them work for 8 dollars an hour . go to the local and tell them they say to us well as long as we get our dues we dont care . so what is a person like me going to do now ???? no jobs in this damn state thanks to jenny on the block and the best PRES WE HAVE EVER HAD BUSH . :frech32: sorry but iam very bitter to this mess we are in and being a single father wondering what we are going to do for our kids is the thing i want to know .

Don't feel for me Bud....I live by mt means. I'm sure I don't make as much as most here but I do alright...the bills get paid (most months anyway) and there is always plenty of food in the fridge. The kids are healthy although my youngest gave us a hell of a scare tonight. My 2 1/2 year old had a seizure right out on the front deck...thats never happened before. The kid locked right up...turned blue..and didn't breath for God knows how long. My wife called 911 and when the ambulence arrived he was still rigid and barely consious. He seams OK now...the doctor at the emergency room said it was most likely a Fabral (sp?) seizure which is common I guess with small children. Somehow related to having a fever....scary stuff though.

$3000 a year out-of-pocket......who really cares...its only money. My son is home sleeping on the couch next to my wife. Thats all that really matters.

BTW...I'm not complaining about my medical costs.....thats just reality for most people. Thats just my way of showing you that some people are just spoiled and they don'y even know it.

man i really hope your son is ok bro let us know .

I agree...there are many educated hard working UAW members.....but they are NOT the norm. There are guys my Dad worked with at the plant that couldn't read or write.....basic educational requirments and they are making more than school teachers and other proffesionals. There are guys working on the line whos only task is to thread a nut on a bolt. The training and education required amount to remembering "righty-tighty, lefty-loosy" and getting paid $27/hr. That makes no sense. A person should be paid based on the skill & training required to complete the task....in this case $10/hr. would be over paid!

My problem with the UAW is they protect the lazy, the drunks, the drug addicts. They make it easy for someone to have a job and not be productive for the company they work for and the company is stuck with that person....thanks to the UAW.



Thanks for your concern....I do appreciate it.

Tom

Could someone tell me what an UAW assembly line worker with,say 4 years of time on job makes per year including all benefits?

I don't think you will find any guys with only 4 years on the job. With lay-off and plant closings the guys with little senoirity go first.

My Dad retired from GM in 1999. When he retired he was making $70k+ per year with a 10th grade education. Benifets included full all expenses paid medical, if I remember right he had 6 weeks of vacation, pension plan, and a host of other more minor benifets. My wifes uncle has 25 years with GM...I'm not sure of his hourly wage...but he works 7 days a week 10-12 hours a day. He might take 2 days off a month. His wife said that last year he made about $135K but he has a higher education...a high school diploma.

Come on guys...post it up...how much do you make with the UAW? how many years on the job? and what do you do at work?

Just so its fair I'll go first even though I don't have a union job. I work retail at a major home improvement warehouse. I've been in retail for all my working career....20 years. Last year I earned $39k with 2 weeks of paid vacation, 6 sick days/year, 401k, stock purchase plan, medical/dental/disability (about $2400/year premium), and once a year I get a coupon for 20% off.....up to $400. Its a good job considering I never went to collage.

Ok...who's next?

Viper Tom,Look that is a bull shit comment! Not all union workers are like YOUR family. You saying Bull shit like this is displaying your lack of intelligence. The fact is, if not for the unions we would all be making less money than we are.

But .......................... Would everything be as expensive

Its not BS...and like I said earlier...there are many hard working guys in the union. Its the guys who take advantage of the system that hurts the union. Guys who come to work drunk every day but the automakers can't fire them because the union says that alcoholism is a disabilty. If you work in the auto plants you see it...be honest. If your one of the honest hardworking guys in the union stuff like this should piss you off...don't defend them. The unions have forced the workers rate of pay so high that the automakers now out-source to save costs....hurting the UAW. So when people post threads commenting on how other peoples buying habits affect Michigan and the UAW....I couldn't care less. If over paid union workers are losing thier jobs because Americans choose to buy an imported product.....so what! Sure..I would like to see our economy thrive...but supporting over paid Unions is not the answer. Maybe the UAW should take a wage decrease to keep the jobs here in Michigan? Maybe the UAW should drop some of the frivelous benifets to make it more cost effective to keep the jobs here in Michigan? The answer is not just "BUY AMERICAN", its give me a better made, affordable American made product so the jobs and production stays here.....in the US and Michigan.

Well, the kid is back up and running. Like nothing ever happened...getting into stuff and making messes like usual.

The whole idea behind this thread is that saying "BUY AMERICAN" for the sake of supporting union jobs is no different than asking for a hand out. Give people a reason to buy American...better value, more affordable products. If you want jobs to stay in Michigan you have to give the manufacturer's a reason to keep the jobs in Michigan. For some reason the jobs are leaving Michigan....it must be more cost effective for the manufacturer's to produce in other state's or to out-source to non-union facilities. Companies are in business to make money and show profits for the stock holders. Could it be that the UAW has elevated the cost of doing business so high that the auto makers have to look to alternitives to save costs? Who knows? Just food for thought.

:div20: :beerchug: iam so happy that the little guy is ok . and i thought you where jumping on skilled trdes at the uaw and yes they protect the drugies and so forth . my sons mother mom worked at gm and a guy broke into her car stole it drove to flint went on a crack brender . he was off on rehab leave and was not even sopposed to be at the plant . and guess what they did not fire him . yet i can not find work for people like this . :banghead:

THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITY ACT IS THE LARGEST CONTRIBUTOR TO DELINQUENT BEHAVIOR IN THE UAW AND ELSEWHERE. A P.O.S. WHO ADMITS THAT HE HAS A PROBLEM CANNOT BE DISCHARGED FOR HAVING AN ILLNESS. (WEED, CRACK, HEROIN AND ALCOHOL). THIS IS BULLSHIT. SALARIED INDIVIDUALS - (SUPERVISORS) ARE THREATENED WITH LAWSUITS FROM THE ACLU BECAUSE THE RACE CARD IS PLAYED NON-STOP. MY FRIENDS WILL NOT RISK A LAWSUIT OR THEIR JOBS OVER THESE A-HOLES. WITH THAT SAID THERE ARE MANY GOOD PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR THE UAW BUT IT IS THE FEW A-HOLES WHO SCREW IT UP FOR EVERYONE.
THERE ARE MANY OF WEEKENDS THAT LARGE QUANITIES OF UAW MONEY IS SPENT IN NORTHERN MI, AND ELSEWHERE. I HAVE MANY CLIENTS WHO ARE EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDERECTLY EMPLOYED BY THE BIG THREE. EACH UAW JOB SUPPORTS THREE OTHER LOCAL JOBS (CANT REMEMBER WHERE I READ THIS, BUT IT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT) I DO SECOND MORTGAGES SO PEOPLE CAN EITHER BUY REAL ESTATE IN NORTHERN MI, OR REC VEHICLES TO ENJOY THE GREAT NORTH, THIS IS WHAT PUMPS MONEY INTO OUR STATES LOCAL ECONOMIES. THE MI ECONOMY IS SET UP FOR THE AUTO INDUSTRY LIKE IT OR NOT. BANKERS, REALTORS, STORE OWNERS AND MANY OTHERS DEPEND ON THIS INDUSTRY. WE NEED TO SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER. DON'T BUY AMERICAN TO SAVE UAW JOBS BUY AMERICAN TO SAVE EVERYBODY'S JOB.
THE FORIEGN COUNTRIES THAT IMPORT VEHICLES (AND NOW BUILD VEHICLES HERE WITH YOUR TAX DOLLARS) WOULD NEVER LET THIS HAPPEN IN THEIR OWN COUNTRIES. IT IS NOT FREE TRADE. YOU WOULD NOT TRADE A $100 DOLLAR BILL FOR A $50 DOLLAR BILL, WOULD YOU? NO, BECAUSE IT IS NOT A FAIR TRADE. I LIVED IN JAPAN FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS, AND I HAVE SEEN THE CRAZY TARIFFS THAT ACCOMPANY AMERICAN MADE VEHICLES. WE NEED TO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE, WHETHER IT IS IN THE AUTO INDUSTRY, FURNITURE, TEXTILES, OR ANYTHING ELSE. WE NEED TO MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS, BECAUSE THERE ARE ALWAYS CONSEQUENCES. I WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT MY AMERICAN BROTHERS BEFORE I SUPPORT ANY OTHER.

So you sound well versed in the role the UAW plays in the auto indusrty. Maybe you can shed some light on what exactly the UAW does for its members. From most outsiders standpoint the UAW=excessive wages, excessive benifets & job security (even if your a screw up...which I know is NOT all UAW members). Maybe you can explain to me why UAW members earn the wage they do. I can see the need for skilled trades to earn $30-35/ hr but what about the guys making $70-80k/yr sweeping floors or any other unskilled trade? We have been having breakroom discussions at work reguarding these same topics and the general concensus is that the UAW's only role in todays day and age is to exploit higher wages and more benifets. In the meantime if you do screw up and get fired you call your union stewart and you have your job back in a week. The Americans with disabilities act does not completly protect an alcoholic or drug addict. If caught you are basicly given another chance. You must seek counceling and rehabilitation. If you continue to show up for work under the influence you can still be terminated. Is also said that its the UAW's fault that a new car costs as much as it does. If the big 3 could weed out the non-performers, drug addicts and alcoholics they would have better productivity and maybe a more affordable product. If they had a more affordable product they would sell more units. If they sold more units they would need to employ more hard working people to build those units. Those hard working people would have a decent income (not excessive) to spend in our state and rebuild our economy. See where I'm going with this....maybe...just maybe some of the blame for Michigans economy should be pointed at the UAW? Its got to a point that the UAW workers earn a far above average income to do an average job.

I see no UAW members are chiming in to tell thier story. What do you do for them? How much do you get paid? Do you know any members that the UAW could do without? Honestly...I'd like to be proven wrong on the pay scale issue and the non performing member issue.

VIPERTOM, I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT AND I AGREE THAT NON-PERFORMERS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO KEEP THEIR JOBS WHETHER IT BE UAW OR MCDONALDS.
AS FAR AS THE ADA - THEY ARE ONLY UP FOR TERMINATION IF THEY ARE CAUGHT FIRST, BUT THEY ARE OFTEN WARNED AND SEEK SHELTER BEHIND THIS LAW(WHICH WAS NEVER INTENDED FOR THIS). I KNOW MANY AUTO WORKERS WHO WOULD LOVE TO HAVE RANDOM DRUG TEST, TO HELP WEED OUT THE ROTTEN APPLES. A GOOD MAN OR WOMAN COULD SUPPORT A FAMILY WITH THIS JOB AND IT SHOULD NOT WASTED ON THE UNWORTHY. LET ALONE THE FACT THE BAD APPLES UNDERMINE EVERYTHING THE GOOD WORKER DOES. THIS IS EVIDENT BY THE BREAK ROOM DISCUSSIONS YOU ARE HAVING ON THIS VERY SUBJECT. THE UAW IS CHANGING WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT, THE CONSOLIDATION OF WORK PER WORKER IS EVIDENT IN EVERY PLANT. THERE ARE ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE BU MOST OF MY UAW CLIENTS MAKE BETWEEN 60 AND 75 THOUSAND A YEAR. WITH THE COST OF LIVING DOWN STATE (HOUSING ESPECIALLY) IT IS NOT THAT DIFFERENT THAN 40 THOUSAND IN MOST AREAS OF THE GREAT WHITE NORTH. MANY JOBS SUCH AS SECURITY AND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ARE FARMED OUT TO CONTRACTERS WHO ARE NOT UAW. AFTER THIS LATEST ROUND OF BUY-OUTS I BELIEVE YOU WILL SEE THE COMPANIES PLAYING HARD BALL.
THE PAY SCALE FOR UAW WORKERS IS ON LINE WITH AUTO WORKERS AROUND THE WORLD, GERMANY, JAPAN, AND ENGLAND. I HAVE ALSO READ THAT THE AVERAGE AUTO WORKER HAS 2 YRS OF COLLEGE VERSUS NOT BEING ABLE TO READ AND WRITE LIKE 20 TO 30 YEARS AGO. IF YOU THINK IT IS A WALK IN THE PARK - GO HANG F150 DOORS FOR A 10 HR SHIFT 4 DAYS A WEEK. I AM SURE IT WOULD GET OLD FAST. ROTATOR CUFF SURGERY IS NO PICNIC (COUSINS - ONE HAD 2 THE OTHER 1) OUCH!
I BELIEVE THAT UAW COST PER VEHICLE IS THE SAME PERCENTAGE % IT WAS 35 YEARS AGO. THE BIG COST FOR AUTOS ARE GOVT REGULATION, AND R&D. THERE IS MUCH MORE THAN YEARS AGO, THIS IS DUE TO THE FACT MODEL CHANGES ARE MUCH MORE FREQUENT, AND MORE AND MORE FEATURES ARE ADDED. LEGACY COST IS ALSO KILLING THE AUTO AND AIRLINE INDUSTRIES, AT SOME POINT THIS COUNTRY WILL HAVE ACT TO SURE UP PENSIONS OR CHANGE COMPLETELY TO 401'S.
I GREW UP IN A UAW FAMILY AND HAVE REAPED SOME BENEFITS. HOWEVER, I AM NOT NIEVE. HALF OF MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY STILL ARE UAW OR SALARIED EMPLOYEES.
GOOD LUCK VIPERTOM.

great response Blitz....You really have to love a good debate.

Maybe the UAW should vote to implement drug screens...weed out the problem employees. Instead of protecting the problems maybe the Honest hard working members should be self patroling and helping to rid the company of the riff-raff? It would help both parties involved....the UAW and the companys they work for. It would open the door for more honest hard working people. Problem is...I don't see that happening anytime soon.

I do believe the auto industy is the key to Michigans economy. But I also feel that in to many ways the UAW is hindering Michigans economy. Reform is needed with in the UAW.

HEY VIPER - IT IS A TOUCHY SUBJECT FOR EVERYBODY. I JUST HOPE IT IS NOT TO LATE FOR THE GOOD PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN. THE NEXT SET OF UAW CONTRACTS ARE ON THE WAY, AND I BET THERE WILL BE LOTS OF CHANGES. OLD BUSINESS IS DEAD BUSINESS AND I BELIEVE UAW LOCALS NOW KNOW THIS. TO BAD IT TOOK SO LONG. GREAT CONVERSATION THOUGH. KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR THAT SIK LOOKING 440 SNO PRO CAT #67, FROM DINGMANS TO THE GREEN LANTERN. IT WILL BE A BLIZKRIEG. GOOD LUCK AND MAYBE WE WILL SEE EACH OTHER OUT ON THE TRAILS. :div20:

:beerchug:

Glad to hear your son is ok.
Maybe you should rethink your hatred for your father in-law.



Gee, who cares it's only money? Your whole tirade against the typical UAW piece of shit (as you referred to to most of them) has been pointing out that uneducated, good for nothing pieces of human garbage have jobs and benefits that far exceed your income and these people have been the demise of the auto makers.
The UAW is only one factor that enters into what's happening in the auto industry.



Gee, it's not about the money is it?



Let's all help ViperTom go back to post #1 of this thread and remind him what the whole idea behind this thread was, seeing he began the thread.
It didn't really have anything to do with "Buy American for the sake of supporting union jobs is no different than asking for a hand out."
The idea behind you starting this thread was to ridicule and make fun of people who justed happened to have jobs or have had jobs that paid them well. You have seemed to lump almost all UAW members into an class of human beings who have no right to the benefits that were agreed to by the company. It's called a contract. If those business conditions have changed, and they have, those type of contracts will no longer be able to be supported by the companies. This is just one factor effecting the auto industry.
I don't know where you got the idea anyone said "Buy American Made Products" to support the union members. I never posted that. The idea behind "Buy American Made Products" is to support fellow Americans and to keep our strength as a manufacturing power. When WWII broke out, where do you think all those tanks, planes and military vehicles were produced? As you watch the American manufacturing industry slip away and all those jobs go overseas who will we have build the muscle we need to defend an enemy like China or the likes?
When we all have jobs like working on a computer or cutting grass for a living maybe we could have Japan or China make our war tools.

If you remember, for every auto worker job in Michigan, there are five other jobs that supported it. More than likely those 5 other jobs were non union. Glad to see those UAW jobs leave because they didn't deserve the kind of money and benefits they made? Seems like a narrow view......ask those 5 other Michigan residents looking for work now. Maybe they can learn to cut grass too. Of course, they will need to get inline behind 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants who, we are told are only here to cook, clean and take care of our lawns......you know, jobs Americans won't do.

Thanks Hooper..he is doing much better

Hooper.....the Unions are what actually hurt Michigans economy. The Union demands....not negotiations are what led to the pay scale and benifets all the UAW members now enjoy. If the automakers did not accept the contract....the UAW would go on strike and the auto makers would eventually lose. Organized labor could be closely compared to organized crime.....either you meet the demands or you pay the concequenses.

Its reached a point that labor costs are so high that jobs are out sourced instead of performed by the UAW. The UAW members get laid off...plants close or move out of state or over seas to save costs. If auto makers could produce thier products here in Michigan where the auto industry began that would be great...our economy would thrive. It unfortunate that the over compansated UAW has caused this problem for our state.

Its really funny when auto workers say we owe our lively hood to them when if it wasn't for them there would be more jobs here in the state. So, Yes...I'm very happy to see the unions suffer and finally begin to loose power. The state is hurting now but eventually we will be stronger when the unions are less powerful.

Its not just my point of view....its the point of view with many non-union workers.

Just so you know...I don't hate or dispiese UAW members. I have a problem the the union its self.

Go out and enjoy your holliday you two.

The weather is finally clearing up to go outside and have fun.

:smilielol: :beerchug:

THE DAY'S OF THE UNION ARE GONE!!!!!!!!!! CAN YOU SAY GLOBAL ECONOMY??? OH YEAH I SLAVED FOR LOCAL 1436 FOR SEVEN YEAR'S AND WHERE IS IT NOW???.....DAAAAA...#$%$#^%$^%#$@#&&*...RIGHT

Hey I'll let you guys debate the fate of the UAW. I do agree with the post about pay and education. My wife and I both have occupations that were listed. I have a union and education and make less than the auto worker. My have has several years of education and makes only slightley more than the auto worker. We still buy american autos and snowmobiles. However, I'm sure sick of hearing the UAW whinning about having to take pay cuts and cutbacks. One UAW leader stated in the paper that the UAW workers will not be able to afford the autos they make if they are forced to take a pay cut. Wake up!!!!!! now you know how the rest of us feel.

PPC,Your last line is right on track.Viper Tom has jealousy issues with the UAW and his Family. :frech32:
My wife and I both work full time and take issue with the price of new vehicles, however like you, we support our neighbors and buy American products when we can.

Nope...not jealous. just irritated with UAW workers who think they are the ones who built Michigan and think we owe them something for it. The UAW killed the states economy and now members bitch about how tough things are getting. No one to blame but themselves!!!!!

That's hard to dispute...

:beerchug:

Oh I'll be willing to bet that there will be at least a few that will find a way to
dispute that D. :drunk:

Yep... for the truth can be a bitter pill... besides, you can always find an argument on HCS!! :banana: :div20:

:beerchug:

True that, true that.

:beerchug:

Tom, i work for the UAW and you got your facts all wrong, i get $30 dollars an hr with just a high school education, been here for 16 yrs and made 100k every year and yes i'm under paid for what i do! P.S. I'm getting paid right now to read all this bs and argue with you!!! (Life is good)!!!

$30/hr to entertain me here on HCS.....Well worth it. Hold it......I think its time for you to go...the assmebly line just moved forward...time to go back to work, Don't forget...."righty-tighty"!!!!!! :beerchug:

UAW local 1097 Rochester,NY

I am a union pipefitter, and also an elected union official. The wages we make are very fair. The problem with all you haters out there is it is easier for you bitch about who we are than to go out and bitch about making your pay and benefits better. How about you people bitching about us put the same effort into voting for people who are for the working class in this nation. How about not supporting places like wal-mart, or lending support to a local candidate. There is a direct relation between the voting box and the bread box. That is why the UAW is allocating $70 million for increased lobbying efforts. I wish everyone on here made twice the money i do. You'll spend it where you make it.....................and that would benefit me and my UAW brothers and sisters. BUT again, easier to bitch than to fight for something better. LET THE DUNBING DOWN OF AMERICA CONTINUE!!!!