green-patriot
Jan 6 2007, 04:01 PM
QUOTE(Xfireman @ Jan 6 2007, 05:30 PM)

Do you have a part # for that poo support?
I don't have the polaris part# But I Got and extra set if you want them. You have to knock down a couple of stars but looks pretty good and you can see the vin # you would probley just have to paint them because they are red
green-patriot
Jan 6 2007, 08:37 PM
Click to view attachmentClick to view attachmentI posted a pic of a m7 with the polaris fishbones
TVBrian
Jan 6 2007, 09:41 PM
QUOTE(old cat man @ Jan 6 2007, 04:24 PM)

I'm pretty sure I can get them powder coated in Black also, once I get the part ready I will see how much for powder coating.
I would be interested in a set of these also..... not bent yet, and hope never to be!!!
:beerchug:
SPARKS73
Jan 7 2007, 06:04 PM
The trouble with these you guys have pictures of are they do not cover enough tunnel. They also do not go up far enough to suppert the complet tunnel in my oppinion. Please look at the ones that I posted from Erie they are built tough and cover alot more of the tunnel. I was in Cooke City and played hard with jumping and my tunnel has held up, I am a heavy guy 275 and was jump and such.
Shawn
GuyFromTheNorth
Jan 7 2007, 06:51 PM
It's not the whole tunnel that's weak, just the pressure point near the front of the footwells, the braces cover that and a bit more. I have loaded a combined weight of 520lbs of person on my sled with a full tank of gas and ice fishing gear while bottoming out without any bends or wrinkles in the least. I was considering going w\eries braces but the dealer wasn't being straight up with me when I emailed him. I got alot of "around talking" like he didn't want to sell me braces, didn't have manufacturing times, said I probably won't need them, blah blah blah. I bought krom's and supported a local member who used them and trusts them to fix his sled. But hey braces are braces, they're all good! :beerchug:
Hey Krom< I see you are on line.. Are you still manufacturing braces???
CATBOY09
Jan 7 2007, 06:58 PM
see, krom is just doign what ac's recall will be.
Justin Sane
Jan 7 2007, 07:29 PM
IF SOMEONE CAN GET SUPPORTS PLEASE PM ME! IF SOMEONE HAS THE CAPABILITY OF MANUFACTURING THEM, PLEASE PM ME. I WILL INVEST IN THEM, HELL LETS START A BUSINESS. I WILL INVEST. I WOULD LIKE SOME THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND SLIGHTLY TALLER THAN THE ONES I HAVE SEEN, BUT I AM LIVING PROOF THAT THEY ARE NEEDED, UNTIL CAT DOES A RECALL!!!
Krom
Jan 7 2007, 07:58 PM
Hey guys, I'm still alive.... but have been out of action with a torn up leg, and some other personal stuff for around a month.... I still can't move around real well, but am off the crutches. Sorry for leaving every one hanging. I will be sending out e-mails to every one who has pm-d me with interest.
Just so every one knows, I work at a dealership, not for the factory, and started off to make a set for my sled, interest built from there.... and here we are.
Thanks again for all the interest, and pray for snow.
Krom
02zr600country
Jan 7 2007, 08:17 PM
are you still selling supports? Im interested.
bee1971
Jan 7 2007, 08:18 PM
QUOTE(Krom @ Jan 7 2007, 07:58 PM)

Hey guys, I'm still alive.... but have been out of action with a torn up leg, and some other personal stuff for around a month.... I still can't move around real well, but am off the crutches. Sorry for leaving every one hanging. I will be sending out e-mails to every one who has pm-d me with interest.
Just so every one knows, I work at a dealership, not for the factory, and started off to make a set for my sled, interest built from there.... and here we are.
Thanks again for all the interest, and pray for snow.
Krom
What happened with the leg ???
Glad to see your still alive !!!
Anyways , whats your take on all this - Working for a Arctic Cat dealer , bent tunnel on your own sled
Did you ever contact Cat directly , and if you did what was there response - Just curious on your theory as why these tunnels are bending , on the 06s and 07s now
Sorry for all the questions , glad to see your doing OK , but this subject has been beat to death over the last week and alot of guys are looking for answers
Thanx Scott
Krom
Jan 7 2007, 08:23 PM
I bottomed the front arm hard when the tunnel bent. There isn't much travel from the bump stops to the arm. The hard bottom drives your feet down into the tunnel with a lot of force causing the bends. Last I knew arctic cat engineering said the problem was caused by abuse, not a design problem..... I have put a progressive 2 spring setup on my sled, but there has been no snow to test it with. Replacing the tunnel under warranty has a lot to do with your dealer, their relationship with the factory, and the tech rep they speak with on a regular basis.
bee1971
Jan 7 2007, 08:39 PM
QUOTE(Krom @ Jan 7 2007, 08:23 PM)

I bottomed the front arm hard when the tunnel bent. There isn't much travel from the bump stops to the arm. The hard bottom drives your feet down into the tunnel with a lot of force causing the bends. Last I knew arctic cat engineering said the problem was caused by abuse, not a design problem..... I have put a progressive 2 spring setup on my sled, but there has been no snow to test it with. Replacing the tunnel under warranty has a lot to do with your dealer, their relationship with the factory, and the tech rep they speak with on a regular basis.
Thanx !!!
So this is an issue with mostly Standard model Crossfires ???
Bottoming out the front shock / rear skid
Anyone have a Sno - Pro tunnel bend or bottom out ???
I have my standard Crossfire rear skid out right now - I have the sno - pro spring ordered and either have the shock revalved or buy a new Fox zero - pro and ante up the cash
Thanx Scott
cmscat50
Jan 7 2007, 08:46 PM
Pretty sure Krom's sled is a sno pro??
CATBOY09
Jan 7 2007, 08:51 PM
QUOTE(cmscat50 @ Jan 7 2007, 08:46 PM)

Pretty sure Krom's sled is a sno pro??
standard
bee1971
Jan 7 2007, 08:54 PM
QUOTE(cmscat50 @ Jan 7 2007, 08:46 PM)

Pretty sure Krom's sled is a sno pro??
Chris got your message about the shock
Thanx for the info - I have used Deycore before with great results
Might have a line on a brand new Fox zero - pro for cheap - Will know soon
Scott
Krom
Jan 7 2007, 08:57 PM
My sled is a sno pro, and I'm 215 lbs in street clothes.
CATBOY09
Jan 7 2007, 09:00 PM
QUOTE(Krom @ Jan 7 2007, 08:57 PM)

My sled is a sno pro, and I'm 215 lbs in street clothes.
so you switche out the floats for springs ??
Krom
Jan 7 2007, 09:10 PM
Front arm of rear suspension....
Every one seems to have a different way to describe the sled, I prefer front, center and rear. but arctic cat calls the front, the ski shock, and the center, the front arm shock.
grizzrock_X7
Jan 7 2007, 09:23 PM
I'm interested to hear anyone that bent their tunnels.... what was your setup when you did?
Last year I bottomed out all 3 suspension points many times....with no tunnel issues... but at the end of the season I cranked the rear up to highest setting, the fronts springs were turned way up too.... this year I only remember my center shock bottoming one time, it wasn't even hard, just an overshoot on a mogul and hit kinda funny...didn't think anything of it, other than.."OHHHhh that was the first time this year it bottomed, wow I love my setup now, it never bottoms". I am starting to think that might have been when it happened? My couplers are also on highest (less movment) setting.
I'm wondering if this whole combination of tight set up with my 230-240 dressed weight is the problem?
Anyone care to comment? catboy, not you.
EDIt: kroms description of how his bent, sparked my thought into setups.
CATBOY09
Jan 7 2007, 09:50 PM
QUOTE(grizzrock_X7 @ Jan 7 2007, 09:23 PM)

I'm interested to hear anyone that bent their tunnels.... what was your setup when you did?
Last year I bottomed out all 3 suspension points many times....with no tunnel issues... but at the end of the season I cranked the rear up to highest setting, the fronts springs were turned way up too.... this year I only remember my center shock bottoming one time, it wasn't even hard, just an overshoot on a mogul and hit kinda funny...didn't think anything of it, other than.."OHHHhh that was the first time this year it bottomed, wow I love my setup now, it never bottoms". I am starting to think that might have been when it happened? My couplers are also on highest (less movment) setting.
I'm wondering if this whole combination of tight set up with my 230-240 dressed weight is the problem?
Anyone care to comment? catboy, not you.
EDIt: kroms description of how his bent, sparked my thought into setups.
well im going to comment ayways, is it me or does arctic-cat have to make up a new design for a recall on the tunnels and the bottoming out situation ??
TVBrian
Jan 8 2007, 07:50 AM
QUOTE(grizzrock_X7 @ Jan 7 2007, 10:23 PM)

I'm interested to hear anyone that bent their tunnels.... what was your setup when you did?
Last year I bottomed out all 3 suspension points many times....with no tunnel issues... but at the end of the season I cranked the rear up to highest setting, the fronts springs were turned way up too.... this year I only remember my center shock bottoming one time, it wasn't even hard, just an overshoot on a mogul and hit kinda funny...didn't think anything of it, other than.."OHHHhh that was the first time this year it bottomed, wow I love my setup now, it never bottoms". I am starting to think that might have been when it happened? My couplers are also on highest (less movment) setting.
I'm wondering if this whole combination of tight set up with my 230-240 dressed weight is the problem?
Anyone care to comment? catboy, not you.
EDIt: kroms description of how his bent, sparked my thought into setups.
grizzrock,
I'm in the same boat, i would like to also hear on maybe riding positions.... Since i also bottomed mine out several times last season (I am in the midst of geting my front shock revalved to prevent bottoming). From what Krom is describing, and I totally agree that this is more a suspesion thing than a tunnel thing, I am thinking some people when they hit a large mogul and bottom the front skid, they force there feet down (or sled up into there feet)... I however, usually see these moguls (have missed a few) and almost tend to hop or unwait myslef and the suspension a bit (and haven't had a bend yet)... I'm not trying to slam anyone riding style by saying this (We all have differnet styles). I'm simply offering a possible reason why some would be bending and others weren't... I am still going to put supports on, because anyway you look at it, a bent tunnel is a shitty deal. I remember in one magazine review, them commenting on how easily the front skid bottomed out... i guess at that time it didn't posse a problem.
:beerchug:
TVBrian
Jan 8 2007, 07:54 AM
QUOTE(CATBOY09 @ Jan 7 2007, 10:50 PM)

well im going to comment ayways, is it me or does arctic-cat have to make up a new design for a recall on the tunnels and the bottoming out situation ??
Yess catBOY.... They should recall every crossfire and send everyone entirely NEW sleds....
From what I see, this and the other tunnel support thread are about 3 times longer than they have to be because they are full of so many useless posts from you, Thanks for waisting so much of all the crossfire OWNERS time!!!
:beerchug:
favoritos
Jan 8 2007, 08:52 AM
Right on. Opinions are like . . .
700CrossFire
Jan 8 2007, 09:43 AM
QUOTE(JaySond @ Jan 6 2007, 12:28 AM)

Talked to Todd at Erie Power today, and ordered a set of of these from him. He is a Cat dealer, who runs a Crossfire himself (has run it hard with no bending). His brother also has a Crossfire, and he did see some bending on his. They had these designed and built themselves. He is almost out right now, but is getting more made. These are very large, and quite thick. He quoted me $129 plus shipping.
I'm picking up my new Crossfire 700 SP tomorrow. I'm hoping to have these put on before I do any serious riding. Now everyone's entitled to their own opinion on this, so don't start beating me up on this one. Since my sled is fine (it better be, coming out of the crate...) I'm not going to waste my valuable time picking a fight with Cat, I'm just going to put these beefy mothers on & get on with it. I also have a set of Power Pros ordered, among other things, because I think I can improve the sled myself by doing that. Structural issues are a little different, but I'm looking at it as something I'm doing to make my new sled stand up to the occasional hard hit it might have to take from me. People do all kinds of stuff to their sleds right out of the box (much more than I do) to make them perform better or make them more durable for their planned use. I'm not gonna f@ck with my exhaust, clutch, ignition, belt, track, etc. like many people do, or at least not yet, but I'm gonna beef it up structurally.
When I brought this up, my dealer says he has over 150 Crossfires out there & has never had one come back with this issue. He laughed & said he'll buy it back from me if I have any problem with this happening. He said he beat the hell out of one himself last year (he used to race) with no problems. He weighs about as much as I do (160) and rode a Sno Pro (like mine).
I could still back out but I have a lot of faith in these sleds. I'm very confident that with the extra insurance of the $129 supports & a half hour of my time with a drill and a pop rivet gun this will be a great sled, I'm really looking forward to it.
The guys who own one that's already bent are in an entirely different situation than I am, and I feel for you guys. I hope you're able to work something out, but if not, add a set of these large, beefy supports & it should stop things from getting worse.
See you on the trails!! :div20:
Just Thought i would say hello. I am Todds brother the guy you guys have been speaking about.
700CrossFire
Jan 8 2007, 09:45 AM
Stoney
Jan 8 2007, 09:51 AM
QUOTE(grizzrock_X7 @ Jan 7 2007, 10:23 PM)

I'm interested to hear anyone that bent their tunnels.... what was your setup when you did?
Last year I bottomed out all 3 suspension points many times....with no tunnel issues... but at the end of the season I cranked the rear up to highest setting, the fronts springs were turned way up too.... this year I only remember my center shock bottoming one time, it wasn't even hard, just an overshoot on a mogul and hit kinda funny...didn't think anything of it, other than.."OHHHhh that was the first time this year it bottomed, wow I love my setup now, it never bottoms". I am starting to think that might have been when it happened? My couplers are also on highest (less movment) setting.
I'm wondering if this whole combination of tight set up with my 230-240 dressed weight is the problem?
Anyone care to comment? catboy, not you.
EDIt: kroms description of how his bent, sparked my thought into setups.
It sounds like you tightened the rear spring (the trianglular adjustment with 3 settings) and the front springs/ shocks but you did not touch the centre shock (or the front skid shock).
The centre shock is what you bottomed out this year so will you also be tighening this spring up as well?
green-patriot
Jan 8 2007, 10:16 AM
QUOTE(grizzrock_X7 @ Jan 7 2007, 11:23 PM)

I'm interested to hear anyone that bent their tunnels.... what was your setup when you did?
.
I'm wondering if this whole combination of tight set up with my 230-240 dressed weight is the problem?
Anyone care to comment? catboy, not you.
EDIt: kroms description of how his bent, sparked my thought into setups.
I only weigh about 165 with all my gear on. So with the supports I put on I shouldn't have a problem
grizzrock_X7
Jan 8 2007, 10:44 AM
QUOTE(Stoney @ Jan 8 2007, 09:51 AM)

It sounds like you tightened the rear spring (the trianglular adjustment with 3 settings) and the front springs/ shocks but you did not touch the centre shock (or the front skid shock).
The centre shock is what you bottomed out this year so will you also be tighening this spring up as well?
exactly right, but looking at the center, it looks to have alot of threads showing already, how many threads do other's show below the adjuster...
also...I lowered the front spring 4-5 threads last night, and its snowing today, hoping to go for a ride this afternoon.
Stoney
Jan 8 2007, 11:08 AM
QUOTE(grizzrock_X7 @ Jan 8 2007, 11:44 AM)

exactly right, but looking at the center, it looks to have alot of threads showing already, how many threads do other's show below the adjuster...
also...I lowered the front spring 4-5 threads last night, and its snowing today, hoping to go for a ride this afternoon.
I have not touched my centre shock yet (set from the factory) and it is approx 1/2 way up or down the threads on the shock (in the middle)......possibly closer to the bottom than the top (so it would be on the looser side).
sledman1
Jan 8 2007, 11:34 AM
This maybe a stupid question about the supports, but here it goes. Other than the looks of the supports is there any reason why the top, the part on the side of the tunnel has to be shaped/ Why can't the top edge go straight back the tunnel. I understan the bottom needs to go around the stars on the running board, but I would think there would be more support if there was more material at the top of the tunnel?
GuyFromTheNorth
Jan 8 2007, 11:37 AM
QUOTE(sledman1 @ Jan 8 2007, 12:34 PM)

This maybe a stupid question about the supports, but here it goes. Other than the looks of the supports is there any reason why the top, the part on the side of the tunnel has to be shaped/ Why can't the top edge go straight back the tunnel. I understan the bottom needs to go around the stars on the running board, but I would think there would be more support if there was more material at the top of the tunnel?
You're talking about the triangles right? If so, the reason is as follows. It makes them look better, saves metal\weight (not a big issue, but it is something), and because it is done in a triangle with a radius cut in the bottoms it doens't weaken it at all. A radius in the bottom is just like cutting a circle (like seen cut out of truck frames) it won't weaken the structure. hth
EDIT: oh I forgot the most important part, it exposes most of the vin and original sticker to make it legal, I know on my sled you can see pretty much the whole vin, the important stuff anyways.
cmscat50
Jan 8 2007, 11:37 AM
QUOTE
but I would think there would be more support if there was more material at the top of the tunnel?
Only if you filled it solid with rivets...and then you have lots of holes drilled in the tunnel and weaken that...
sledman1
Jan 8 2007, 11:45 AM
I don't see the need for more rivets, 4 at the top and 4 at the bottom. This would have the same effect but the support would not flex with a solid piece on the side of the tunnel.
grizzrock_X7
Jan 8 2007, 11:52 AM
The tunnel is steel right? not aluminum? so why dont we just weld in a soild piece of sheet metal (NO Idea on gauge) on the side and bottom, grind the welds, paint it black? you wouldn'r even be able to see that its a support, (barely). You could just cut a square out of the middle where the vin is? to me an extra 5 pounds to fix a trouble is not an issue? and it might even look better than the fishbone look.
sledman1
Jan 8 2007, 11:57 AM
It is aluminum, sorry.
grizzrock_X7
Jan 8 2007, 03:21 PM
oppps, I guess thats why we dont weld on steel?

me dumb
Anway, just went for an insane rip on her today, all our tunnel talk aside, I always have a HUGE grin on my face when I get back. These machines flat out rip to 90 and soak up bumps like crazy. I love it.
Krom
Jan 8 2007, 06:51 PM
Just to update every one... I have gone through my PM box, and added every one to my list in order. If you have not gotten a reply, I will send you a message as soon as there are supports ready to ship.
Krom
bronsonite
Jan 8 2007, 06:55 PM
Krom,
Gman sent you a PM. He and I would each like to order supports. Can you let us know the cost for 2 sets black supports.
Thanks,
JCC
A05GSHO
Jan 8 2007, 07:08 PM
Good to see ya back Krom.
old cat man
Jan 9 2007, 03:42 PM
Well, great news everyone, I got the G code from SnoX racer today and I have it made into a drawing file! So, I should be making a test set later this week or first of next week. I have a funeral to go to first but then I'll cut a set and check them out. So, you might have to TWO places to get them.
Frank
JLeosnow
Jan 9 2007, 05:07 PM
QUOTE(old cat man @ Jan 9 2007, 03:42 PM)

Well, great news everyone, I got the G code from SnoX racer today and I have it made into a drawing file! So, I should be making a test set later this week or first of next week. I have a funeral to go to first but then I'll cut a set and check them out. So, you might have to TWO places to get them.
Frank
Hi Frank,
Keep us posted on your progress and please post a few pics of your finished product. Are you planning to round/smoothen the bend a bit more than SnoX racer's supports?
Thanks,
-John
old cat man
Jan 9 2007, 05:36 PM
QUOTE(JLeosnow @ Jan 9 2007, 05:07 PM)

Hi Frank,
Keep us posted on your progress and please post a few pics of your finished product. Are you planning to round/smoothen the bend a bit more than SnoX racer's supports?
Thanks,
-John
Hi John,
Yes that is my plan, all depends on which press brake tooling we have the office. But, I'll post a photo once I'm done. It looks like I have some laser time all set for tomorrow, so I'll keep you posted.
Frank
SnoXRacer183
Jan 9 2007, 11:13 PM
QUOTE(old cat man @ Jan 9 2007, 05:42 PM)

Well, great news everyone, I got the G code from SnoX racer today and I have it made into a drawing file! So, I should be making a test set later this week or first of next week. I have a funeral to go to first but then I'll cut a set and check them out. So, you might have to TWO places to get them.
Frank
That was a quick turn around! What kind of program do you use to convert the G-code into a drawing? Might be useful for me to know some day. My original plans were for the bends to be round but we didnt have any sort of press or break at school that could do it. Doesnt look bad though the way they are. If you do need to bend them with two angles 34 degrees and 65 degrees work perfect (tunnel is more than 90 degrees) Thanks for the calander too! Too many Fords though! JK Thanks again, Eric
old cat man
Jan 10 2007, 08:22 AM
QUOTE(SnoXRacer183 @ Jan 9 2007, 11:13 PM)

That was a quick turn around! What kind of program do you use to convert the G-code into a drawing? Might be useful for me to know some day. My original plans were for the bends to be round but we didnt have any sort of press or break at school that could do it. Doesnt look bad though the way they are. If you do need to bend them with two angles 34 degrees and 65 degrees work perfect (tunnel is more than 90 degrees) Thanks for the calander too! Too many Fords though! JK Thanks again, Eric
Hi Eric,
I actually had a customer help me with that, and he said he used some add on for Auto Cad and just put in the tools you used and done! I thought ut was fast also! And thanks for the angles, I'm not sure what we have for tools yet but I'll check today. And I'm with you on the calendar also, pretty surpising for a Japanese company to have all of those Fords and one Mopar.
Frank
old cat man
Jan 10 2007, 02:59 PM
Ok, we did it today! All done and the parts look great! So, if someone else needs these please let me know so I can get a deal if needed to get them powder coated. Right like this my customer told me about $50 a set. So, if there is anymore interest let me know and we should get them out soon.
CATBOY09
Jan 10 2007, 03:31 PM
is there some way they can put them underneath the sled, it will give the crossfires with the chrome running boards a better look, just ceriosue ????
old cat man
Jan 10 2007, 03:49 PM
QUOTE(CATBOY09 @ Jan 10 2007, 03:31 PM)

is there some way they can put them underneath the sled, it will give the crossfires with the chrome running boards a better look, just ceriosue ????
Maybe but I'm not sure how much room is down there. You can polish these to look that brite also.
Wood
Jan 10 2007, 03:52 PM
QUOTE(CATBOY09 @ Jan 10 2007, 05:31 PM)

is there some way they can put them underneath the sled, it will give the crossfires with the chrome running boards a better look, just ceriosue ????
What? They look fine. Natural aluminum(not chrome by the way) on natural aluminum.....where's the problem here????
WTF is a ceriosue???? Man, I'm not one to judge or be too critical but you spell like an Alabama paddywhomper that failed 'Hooke-on-Phonics' remedial class for the third time. :frech32:
CATBOY09
Jan 10 2007, 04:06 PM
QUOTE(Wood @ Jan 10 2007, 03:52 PM)

What? They look fine. Natural aluminum(not chrome by the way) on natural aluminum.....where's the problem here????
WTF is a ceriosue???? Man, I'm not one to judge or be too critical but you spell like an Alabama paddywhomper that failed 'Hooke-on-Phonics' remedial class for the third time. :frech32:
well sorry for mistaking them for chrome, god damn it, just blow up now do we ?? and curiouse it much better, sorry for the spelling mistake. The reason why i asked it is becasue i liked it how they came out all aluminum, i have seen 1 underneath, but it looked really weak, maybe there isnt enough room. it was just my personal opinoin. sorry for that spelling mistake too. i just think it would like better in my eyes underneath than on top. for old cat man you did a good job on them !!!
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