well i was lookin on the POO sight and i seen the new " outlaw" how is it any differnt from the Pred sides the fact ware the exaust is
http://www.polarisindustries.com/en-us/ATV...ormance/Outlaw/

it has an independent rear suspension, so its more of a trail quad :beerchug:

The Outlaw looks similar to a Predator, but if you saw them both in real life you could easily tell the difference.
The Outlaw to me, looks like it has a shorter wheelbase. Also, the Outlaw has a big cushy seat that looks like its off of the Sportsman.
As was said, its meant to be a cushy trail quad.
If you want the speed of the Predator with the smooth ride of the Sportsman, go for the Outlaw.
I think its going to be a good machine for GNCC XC style racing because of the IRS and high ground clearance (I think its something like 10"-12") but I dont see it beating the 450s in MX or in a drag race.
The Outlaw is just too heavy (440 pounds dry) to beat the 450s.
Id bet its a great trail quad though.

Octane has it right on. It's got plenty of power and doesn't weigh much more than the Pred, but it's designed specifically for GNCC XC style racing. It is not meant to keep up with a TRX or YFZ or Predator on an MX track, and it's not meant to beat 450's in drag races. Although once some aftermarket stuff comes out, that 500 motor has plenty of power to hold it's own against the 450's.

I think once a rider gets used to it, it will handle aggressive trail riding a lot better than the swing arm style supsension.

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The Outlaw does not come with the polaris 500 it comes with the fire breathing KTM 520 mxmotor.
They are claiming fastest accelerating sport quad period.

It comes both ways.. 500 outlaw and the 525 outlaw....

http://www.polarisindustries.com/en-us/ATV...ighPerformance/

I have been looking into the Outlaw lately. I have been wanting a yfz, but a buddy of mine got to ride an Outlaw with the Predator engine. Anyways, he told me to look into and Outlaw instead. So, does anyone know how much these are going to go for approximately? I would love the 525, but would be happy with a 500. Just want to get some information to see how much I am going to have to save up. :div20:

I think the Oulaws go for about $5500. If you just want it for trail riding and general screwing around, the Outlaw is fine. It has a lot of ground clerance, so its great for that but if you wanna MX it you are going to have to stick some money in a MX suspension kit, because the stock suspension aint gonna cut it.
If you are going to get one with a 525 youd better hurry becaus the way things are going Polaris and KTM arent going to be partners for long. The other day Polaris sold off a huge chunk of the KTM stock the owned. Polaris wanted to buy controlling interest in KTM, but the Austrian firm that owns KTM's stock refused to sell, so Polaris sold a bunch of stock. They went from something like 20% ownership to less than 5%. I wouldnt be at all surprised if Polaris did sell the remaining 5% sometime soon.

That 525 Outlaw looks badass, and that KTM tranny should be much nicer than crude one on the Polaris 500.

I wouldn't be nervous about buying the first year 525, since it's a proven motor. But I'm sure they will be getting full MSRP for the first year....

I did find on the Polaris site after I posted this that they were going to be around $7300 for the 525. We'll just have to wait and see. My Kodiak is fine if I have to keep it for a little and wait for the price to come down.

I thought I read somewhere that the KTM motor needed to be de-tuned slightly from the factory KTM specs before Polaris was happy with the engine service intervals. I don't know if this is true or not, but it makes some sense I suppose. I was surprised to learn that the wheelbase was very similar to two of the quads I have owned. It looks very compact lengthwise, but the Outlaw wheelbase is 50.5", smack-dab in the middle of the Yamaha Grizzly at 50.2" and the Sportsman at 50.8".

I would really like to take one for a trail ride to see if it's something I'd like to own. It seems that more and more of the challenging trails I like to ride are being drained, filled in, leveled, and groomed to the point where you really don't need a 4WD utility quad to get through them anymore. Because of this, I think the segment of the trail/sport machine has good potential for success, and will see strong growth in the future. I still would not give up my Grizz though, I need it for chores around the house and off trail riding....

There is some good info about the new 525 Outlaw in this forum link listed below. It seems like most of the posters are GNCC or desert racers though. Not too many midwestern trail rider types like myself, but useful information none the less.

http://www.exriders.com/vbb/forumdisplay.p...&forumid=68


Also another random review on the Outlaw 525....

http://atv.off-road.com/atv/article/articl...l.jsp?id=392274

i have had the opportunity to trail a 500 outlaw and beat one around a moto x style track only thing i can say is awesome,you will see other manus fallowing suit real soon.takes some getting used to high stance but easy to ride.on moto x track this thing was surprising,unlike my pred and any other straight axle bike off camber take offs were a cinch the susp levels everything out for you,landings were (smoothe) i could blab all day about this machine,all in all you will see this machine take off.

Its still going to get killed by all the 450s on a MX track because of the weight. Its a nice machine, but its no MXer. Should be great for GNCC and trails though.
Polaris needs to sleeve the 500 down to a 450 and drop the weight down to 350 pounds if they want to compete with the 450s in MX.

Look for a Predator chassis SRA with KTM's 450 engine coming to a dealer near you soon!

the outlaw rocks

Poo and KTM parted ways btw

Yes and no. KTM blocked Polaris from buying enough stock to have controlling interest, so Polaris sold off much of their stock in KTM, but Polaris still does have an engine contract with KTM.
Polaris really doesnt need KTM to build them a 450. You can get a kit from Rath Racing to sleeve the Polaris 500 down to 450cc and it makes just as much power as a 450 as it does as a 500.
If Polaris wants to compete with the 450s, they are going to need to do MUCH more than just sleeve the engine down to a 450. They need to make it about 50 pounds lighter and give it a better suspension.
The thing is though, Polaris never designed the Preddy for MX. From the start it was a high-performance trail quad and for that use its a very nice machine. Compare the Predator and Outlaw to quads like the Raptor 700R, KFX 700 and DS 650 and the Predator is as good, if not better than any of those quads.

From what I understand, the '07 Outlaw lost 39 pounds simply by switching from the domestic Polaris 500 to the KTM 525 engine. I don't see why they couldn't realize the same result with the Preddy and KTM 450 engine.

There is a lot of competition in the 450 SRA market, so Polaris would have to find something to make the Predator unique/desirable to the MX crowd if their intention is draw customers away from the import quads. I don't know if the engine swap alone would be enough to do that. Time will tell.......

I own a Outlaw 500 and I love it. It has more than enough power, with my mods I have raced a yfz 450 and I beat through out the whole power band. He had similar mods as I do. The ride is unbeatable. I don't race it but I do lots of fast pace trail riding and it fits the bill. The clearance is well suited for rutted trails and loose terrain. The suspension doesn't buck you like a straight axle quads do. It is a little heavy in the rear, but it balance extremley well in the air. With the stock wheels and tires, it didn't corner as good as a straight axle, but with the new wheels I put on it, it has a much wider stance and it corners like a dream. Here is a list of my mods:

HMF full system stainless exhaust
Aaen air intake
Procom Revbox
ITP C-type black wheels
Holeshot MXR-4 tires
1.5" billet front wheel spacers
AC racing front bumper
PRG rear bumper
CFM radiator shrouds

Those look like perfect trail machines. But I would still rather go with a Z400, TRX450R, or a Yfz over the outlaw.

Polaris has never designed the Predator to be a hardcore race quad. All it was ever intended to be is a high-performance trail quad.

That's why Polaris would have to change the Predator somewhat from it's current configuration in order to appeal to the MX racers. The KTM 450 engine would be a first step in that direction. (Weight loss)

Just because it may or may not have been designed from the outset to be a racer, doesn't mean it can't become one in the future. I think the Outlaw will overtake the Preddy in the high performane trail catagory soon. (It may have already done so) It would be a natural progression for Polaris to eventually move the Predator into the MX race segment in an effort to gain market share.

yea they defiantly need to loose about 100 pounds or so. Get those things stuck in mud and your pretty much outta luck.

the outlaw kills these quads in the woods hands down with the right rider,its already been proven.doug eichner took the pro overall win his first trip out on the bike,impressive i think so.sorry second first time out but first the second round.

The extra weight in the Predator isnt so much in the engine, its in the frame and suspension. Look at the Predator and then go look at all those other 450s and you will see the Predator has a much beefier frame, swingarm and a-arms. Even the magazines have commented that they think Polaris has built the Predator and Outlaw beefier than they really need to be.
Id personally rathar see Polaris sleeve-down the Fuji 500 that they currently use than to go to a high-strung, short-life 450 MX bike motor. One of the best things about the Predator is that they are so rock-solid reliable. If they go to a 450 MX bike motor, they will lose that, IMO.

one of the guys i ride with has an outlaw and it takes him forever to get out. of course all the suspension it the back doesnt help the weight at all

I'm sure that there are a lot of real MX racers out there worried about getting stuck in the mud. Lots of giant mud holes out there on a MX track.


I agree that they need to lose weight on the Predator, it would help the quad all the way around. The biggest thing they need to do to make it a MX quad is design it to be a MX quad!!! As Octane has said (over and over) in this thread, the Predator was designed to be a trail quad. Weight wasn't a major concern so the frame, A-arms etc were made with strength in mind as opposed to super light weight in mind. It is like comparing a two up trail sled to a 440 race sled.

They (Predators) can be a bear to get out of the mud. This one took a large log as a prybar and a few tries to get lose. The mud had some crazy suction on those back tires.

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I've never ridden a domestic Polaris 500, or a KTM 450 for that matter, but I can tell you with all honesty that the 525 KTM engine in my Outlaw is not high strung by any means. Sure, it has the capability of turning nearly 10,000 rpm out of the box, but it is also incredibly trail friendly and mild mannered when casually ridden through the woods. The low end grunt on these motors is incredible and butter smooth.

I won't argue that the maintenance intervals might be a bit more frequent than the domestic 500, but for being labeled as a "Racing Four Stroke" the KTM engines can be surprisingly tame when called upon to do so. And while the jury may still be out as far as long term longevity of the motor, I would rather have a great powerplant capable of both trail riding and racing applications, not to mention saving almost forty pounds to boot.

You heard it here first...

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2008 Polaris quads here

http://www.polarisindustries.com/en-ca/ATV

2008 Polaris 450 MXR;

365 lbs. dry

world renowned KTM Power

FOX podiums all around.....We may have a contender here.

not lighter than any of the other....and its $10,100 canadian????WTF

Rode it on Monday!!! The LTR450 IS STILL THE WAY TO GO!!!

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I kinda like mine!!!











Hint, look real close at them both !!!

so hows that KTM motor run in there?