I wasn't going to post about this because I'll probably get some sh!? from some of you but I just wanted to thank a few riders and inform those who ride in this area.

I've mostly been riding in the Barry's Bay area this year. 3500K there this year. This is the first season I've spent a lot of time on these trails so this could be the norm in this area but I've been stopped numerous times by the OPP on the trails. Almost every weekend including once near Madawaska just after Christmas before the groomer had even been out yet. I rode 6000K around Bancroft last year and never saw them once. They've been mostly out in the bush on sleds and once I met them with cruisers at a road crossing. We have all the permits and paperwork, and we don't drink but we doo ride 800's for a reason :div20:. No problems until this past Sat. heading east on the B trail from Madawaska to BB. Thanks to all the riders I passed twirling fingers, shooting guns and signalling me to slow down, I got the message but my brother in lead must not have. Radar gun on him read 102 so by the time I caught up he already had a ticket. Probably 10 sleds stopped. The trail there is abandoned railway, pretty straight and wide so it was an easy spot to pinch riders. They had the gun on every rider coming around the corners in both directions. Unfortunately things got worse for my brother. The cops radioed in his license details and his license was suspended for an unpaid fine so they wouldn't let him ride away and took his license. I had to pickup my g-friend at home (about 30K) and bring her back to pick him and the sled up. Strange things is I sat there for about 20 minutes behind him and they never asked me for my documents, too busy with the guns. He paid the fines this week and hopefully everything is in order. I expect we'll see them again this weekend. .

Anyways, the warning is watch out, they are up there frequently.

ripping through the twisties yesterday we passed many riders, two of them just seconds before we rounded a corner and faced two STOP patrollers. I thought for sure we were going to be busted for speeding or noise and I'm thinking the whole time that those other riders could have warned us. Luckily it was a paperwork check and we were on our way but we too agreed that there needs to be a trail signal for police ahead. I'll spread the word on the helmet taps.

About 1Km back we passed a large group stopped on the side of the trail having a few brews.... don't know how things worked out for them....

This is another one of your posts above. Going over 100 on the trails?? Ass holes like you should find a lake and stay the fuck off trails where I sled with my wife and kid. You are a hazard and I hope you get nailed time and time again until you figure out ofsc trails are not a race track

'ride it like it's your girlfriend,not your wife' This is yours bozo..oops I mean zoso. You must not be able to keep too many girlfriends and I suspect your wife is pretty unsatisfied based on your comment about how I ride. I can appreciate that you do your research though I couldn't find much other than whining and name calling in your posts.

Pass ya later.

I that the best you have. Grow a brain and find a lake kid I don't need you and your moron brother who drives while suspended killing my family.

kid?? OK senior. A brain??? Check your spelling and grammar in this post alone idiot.

I found this in your posts on Jan. 15, 2006 --> 'I ride legal and I sometimes speed if I get a ticket I don't care I will pay it'. I guess you must be part of the problem too.

By speed I mean going 40 miles per hour not 100.

he must have missed you saying its an old railway line... or just got :drunk: while typing the post - oh ya I forgot its bob marley day...:share_doobie:

I appreciate the heads up; I'll be riding up around whitney and madawaska tomorrow.

btw I'm assuming the gun was reading 100KM/h not 100MP/h considering we're in Canada...

Try NOT going 100kmh on a railline, especially that one - correct me if I'm wrong but it follows the madawaska river aka you can see for miles. 50kmh on that trail LMAO!

don't take offence doobee, we've all had it at one time or another.


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Well since this is the Ontario post where Barry's Bay is located, the 102 mentioned above is in km/h which is still greater than your quoted 40MPH and likely faster than your poo is even capable of. IMO the 50km/h limit is low and needs some revision in areas such as the one where my brother received this ticket. Based on the number of tickets he saw handed out to the lead riders of many groups while he waiting for me to return, I would guess that many others felt comfortable and safe riding at speeds greater than the limit along this section of trail. It doesn't justify it, I just want those who ride in the area to be aware of their strong presence.

ZOSO has obviously neve been up in that area, that rail line is like a friggin highway!!!! 100km/h??? Thats probly slower than most go on that section. Im not saying lets all have it pinned all the time but if theres ever somewhere thats suited for it on the trail its definately the railline up near BB. Cops must make a fortune.

Don't mean to jump on anybody here but I live up here Zoso & the particular stretch Doobee is talking about is as he states "The trail there is abandoned railway, pretty straight and wide so it was an easy spot to pinch riders. " 100kms would be considered s-l-o-w cruising for 9 out of 10 riders on it! I think your comment is either out of place or you just didn't take the time to comprehend what he said
FYI; I don't know nor have ever met DooBee in person although I do remember seeing his particular sled ( I think )!

It's getting common up here to have these radar set-ups just like they do on the highways where the cops hide behind a sign & get you speeding on a 2 mile straightaway with no other cars in site :frech32:

Did you actually write this Zoso??
on Jan. 15, 2006 --> 'I ride legal and I sometimes speed if I get a ticket I don't care I will pay it'."

Kinda like the kettle calling the pot black

remember guys we have 15 deaths so far Nov-Jan

That might be the reason for more cops on the trails :cn:

how many on the trails?

I was on that trail last week.
50 kmh would be painfull.
However do the crime, pay the fine.
I would have had a whopper.

One on the trails that I have heard of .
Radar is setup where they can make the most money not where the most accidents or deaths occur. Always has been and always will be.

I've have to disagree with your theory. It has nothing to do with making money, the amount of dollars generated means nothing to the police and/or STOP.

As long as 30 or so riders a year die on or off the OFSC trails I doubt we'll ever see the speed limit changed.

To the politicians a snowmobile death is a snowmobile death. It doesn't matter if it's on a groomed trail or a paved road.

I can just imagine the media going ape#hit if the province raised the speed limits for those "death machines".

I have been stopped @ radar checks by the Bancroft OPP on the railbed south of Lake St. Peter & by Bird's Creek.

I have one thing to say all the fuckin people I have seen on the trails around Barrys Bay (cause I go there practically every weekend to sled with my dad at his cottage)Drive way to fast on the trail.I have went up there 3 weekends in a row and every time there is a close call with us cause other sledders are flying around tight bends and crossing over there path into ours.I put my hand down to guys a couple times and they have given me the finger.SO FUCK EM I HOPE ALL YOU GUYS GET TICKETS IF YOUR BEING IDIOTS.The trail is not a fucking race way If you hurt me or my dad, son on the trail you will not be going home that night.And that you can take to the bank.I don't give a shit if any of the guys that wanna be jack asses and I see them at a stop having lunch and they were careless I will clean the table off with them.SLOW THE FUCK DOWN.Young or older trails are for fun not fatalities.I drive a MXZ-X 440 and can beat alot of 800's (on the trail)but that does not mean I do it.Grow up to those wanna be Blair Morgans.Case closed

exactly! So where did they die then? I know of a few that were complete accidents that policing would not have helped. The others tend to be idiots out at night, sometimes no helmet, always booze.

What's the solution?

calm down bud! :no_bashing: first off if anyone did what you say I wouldn't be the one cleaning tables...

second, if you can beat my 800 on the trail then you're a hypocrit.

third, what you describe happens everywhere in this province, not just the last 3 times "you have went up to barry's bay" - we all witness it.

finally, radar guns on railline trails won't help to ease your concerns. The trails you speak of can't support radar, so in reality it does nothing to curb reckless riders (not necessarily speeders as you can go 50km and be on the wrong side of the trail and its 10x worse than going 100 on the right!).

the case is not closed its just opened. realistic, problem solving, and accountable policing needs to occur in ontario to not only make snowmobiling safer, but to also make it more enjoyable.
:beer:

Ok.
So you're a busboy then?
And your trying to recruit more?

Seeing you are so informed ,how much of each ticket written is the police force allowed to keep ?
If you really believe what you are saying take the time to find out and post what you discover here .

"I drive a MXZ-X 440 and can beat alot of 800's "

That's a good handling, well suspended 99 MX

If you think you can do all that, I would suggest your the one on the wrong side bud!

Idiot drivers are the problem HERE!
Not speeding!

Unfortunately it more often than not seems to be the ones from the city up here racing that are the ones that think there the only ones on the trail!

So look around mxzxman
it's probably YOUR neighbour your giving the finger too

You guys jump and pick apart what people say.I said I could but I won't because the trail is not the place."I drive a MXZ-X 440 and can beat alot of 800's (on the trail)but that does not mean I do it". And its not my neighbors its dickheads that come out thinking they are Snowcross riders and just end up being a statistic. Just thinking I can and doing it are 2 different things.I feel like I am talking to a bunch of 20 yr old kids here.Forget it

Bye...
Don't let the door hit ya' on the way out.

If you come back, you could try not threatening people so much?
You'll make more friends.

Ya o.k Bud

One thing is for sure!

If there was another governing body for sledders in Ont. i'd join it.
WHY?
B/c there is simply too much whining and rule breaking going on here.

This is the future of organized sledding in Ont.?We are in really big trouble!

Some OFSC rules or guidelines:

zero tolerance to booze when riding.... Trails run right to bars
speed limits set................................ Largely ignored
Permit sticker visability..................... Hardly
Trespassing Daily
Trail system marketed as "family oriented"........... Ya, Blair Morgan's family


I could go on and on :doh:
WE know what the rules are....WE are ignoring OUR own guidelines.....

If OFSC folds,we will blame something else,but it will ultimately be OUR own doing!

If you are stopped by OPP,STOP,etc don't look at it as a bad thing...they are there trying to protect the future of organized sledding in Ont.YOUR governing body!
Slow down...Enjoy the scenery....Life is not a race and OFSC trails are not a race track!

See, you are back.
And "bud" (Friend; chum. Used as a form of familiar address, especially for a man or boy) is much better than dickwads or fucking people.
Doesn't that feel better?

I say screw the tap on the helmet deal. No, wait thats a good idea because chances are the guys doing the taping are speeding. Good opportunity for us to get his reg. numbers and report him.

The responsible riders need to make it known that excessive speed on our trails will not be tolerated. We find that this year has been far worse than previous years for people speeding into blind corners and ending up on our side of the trail. I am glad there is lots of enforement happening in all areas. Keep up the good work.

Remember, the negative responces to this post will be from those that need to be educated on trail etiquette.

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Good call!

I WAS BEING SARCASTIC

With all the Blair Morgan wanabee's out there these day's I'd think twice before allowing my loved ones out on the track... I mean trail. Seems that many of these fools believe trading paint is an acceptable means of getting their out-of-control trail weapon around the next corner. Or they believe what they can't see (around a blind corner) isn't there. WRONG! :frech32:
Speeding is one thing but do it on the right side of the trail. This includes you maniac OPP and licensed to offend STOP officers, he sayes while picking weeds out of his a-arms.

[quote=MXZXMAN,Feb 5 2006, 09:27 AM]
You guys jump and pick apart what people say.

Hmmm.. you say you can beat a lot of 800s on the trail :div20:
BUT of course "I won't because the trail is not the place."
Well that's good a another "wannabe" is certainly not needed!!

" can beat alot of 800's (on the trail)"
Is that like " dickheads that come out thinking they are Snowcross riders "
So you THINK you have the skill to beat a lot of 800s... sounds like another wannabe ??

And yes we do pick you apart
You jump in here raving about some trail racers no-one else has a clue what you were talking about?
Jump down a guys throat because he put out a warning about radars in a completely safe area to exceed a ridiculious set limit! While the real wanna-be's are left to create a hazard to real snowmobilers! & YES I too have been almost side-swiped by ??? guess who? does "S.T.O.P" give you a hint!

Using some of your own words doing 100km on a 50 km trail is not all that fast and idiot OPP stopped and ticketed you. Well think about this if you got a ticket for doing 200km on the 400 or 401 would you think that was too fast. Using your own words you were only doing just slightly over double the speed limit. Yes the railroad is straiight (I have driven it more than once and also the rail-line by Elk Lake and the straight stretches along the Northern Corridor which are wider and straighter than the railroad by BB)
Why do we blame the OPP for enforcing the law when we get stopped for breaking the law. If you get a ticket it is your fault and not theres they are just doing a job and trying to make the trails safe for everyone. As for speeding and staying on your own side of the trail YA - Right. Just like the other 10 million of you guys I have met on the trail doing rediculous speeds. My own opinion is good for the OPP and I hope you get to see a lot more of them and then maybe our trail liability insurance will go down as well as my own personnel insurance for my machines. :frech32:

LOL WTF. How long have you people been riding on the trails.I hope they do close them cause of idiots speeding on there little Formula 500 making out like they are gods.DO YOU NOT GET WHAT I AM SAYING OR SHOULD I GET OUT THE BLOCKS. WHAT I SAID WAS, THAT I COULD BE A WRECKLESS RIDER ON THE TRAILS BUT I DO NOT CHOOSE THAT WAY CAUSE OF THE SAFETY OF OTHER RIDERS. Speeders and drunks on the trails is what is wrecking it and this year alone has been very bad for both.THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING AND I HOPE ALL THE PEOPLE THAT SPEED PROBABLY LIKE YOU (SENIOR) GET CAUGHT AND LOSE THERE LICENSE.

What I don't get with people when they snowmobile is that they have a few beers and hop on a fast moving piece of machinery and pin it.Do you speed in your car and drive while under the influence YES - NO.

Where are all the safe riders anymore or are there just rednecks in here cracking there heads up against trees.

MXZXMAN, some good points. Its great to get out with the guys and have a nice ride, even better with the family.

This is what really bothers me. When we come to a watering hole to get a bite to eat the place is full of drinking sledders. One or two beers on the day, no big deal. But a fews guys pound away a few pitchers in a hour then jump on the sleds. Maybe down to the next watering hole and do it all over again. I have ridden with a group of guys for years who love to drink to the max, myself included. Great to get away and have some laughs.

The drinking is done at the end of the day when we are finished riding. We just didn't start this as we are older now but when we were younger as well. These sleds are dangerous enough as it is without being impared. Anything could happen, we have had moose run out in front of us, cars coming at us on the trail, you just don't know. Our group has run thousands of miles and feel that things within the last number of years is getting worse.

Speeders and drunks beware the responsible trail users are looking for you. We are armed with paper, pens, satellite cell phones and digital cameras. I am not out to bother anyone as you have the right to do what you want. But beware, if you pose a threat to me, my friends or family while on the trails I want you off.

:smilielol:


Its not the same at all. That's a bad analogy plain and simple. You can't tell me that a 50km/h speed limit on all trails is safe. For some trails that's just too fast for others its perfect and some its too slow. Unlike roads and highways (which we have when you compare a forest trail to an abandoned railline) we don't have different speed limits for different trails.

I'm not saying change the laws, but enforcing them on these trails is ridiculous. They won't pull you over on the 400 when traffic is moving at 130kmh, but the speed limit is 100. They do have better things to do in regards to snowmobile safety IMO.

And that's just what we need - more cops on the railway trails; how about outside bars and on dangerous lakes at night?


are you describing yourself on your forumla 500?:tease:

as stated b4 don't let the door hit you on the way out!
:bigfinger:

Ya Killer your name is how you perform on the trails Right? Grow up and be a man.Like I said, someone hurts one of my buddies or family members they will not be going home that night, they will be in the hospital crying "I swear I was going 50 kms/hr officer" MXZMAN didn't have to break my legs. LOL FUNNY AAYY

Longspur good point "Kudos"

Oh and "KILLER" get some years under your belt before you go lipping off about sledding.Your 25.When I was 25 I was in the Military over in Ruwanda experiencing life and learning, maturing.What I am saying is your entitled to your opinion but do you have a family.After snowmobiling would you like one of your buddies calling your wife from the hospital and telling her and your kids that you were hurt really bad sledding and will lose your job cause you can't work,Just cause of some asshole that either had to many beers or it was due to a jackass on the trail.I have a friend his name is Jeff Richards look him up in the phone book in Smithville Ont. and ask him how and who crippled him and it will all be clear to all of you.First hand.He was out with his buddies and had a mishap due to another asshole and he will never walk again. He is a millionaire now but money means nothing to him. Bla Bla Bla Right

P.S I do not wish harm on anyone sledding ....At all....All I want to see is people be a little smarter

No need for me to take the time to find out because I already know the answer. Police (OPP, Municipal, RCMP) and STOP funding has nothing to do with the amount of revenue generated by tickets. The police don't get to keep anything, the money goes to the province. There is money that goes to the municipality for the collection of fines and the administration costs.

You bring up a good point. Everyone tends to focus on the deaths but there are far more people who are crippled and seriously injured. I don't believe that there are statistics compiled for injuries, it would be interesting to see the numbers.

And just who in the fuck would want to be your friend???

Why dont you have a clue? perhaps you are just thick? Well, I don't know but when I ride I see signs that say "slow" this means off the throttle and to be beware, not to keep driving 50. If you want to drive like an ass get the fuck off my trails.

This pissing match is going nowhere.
I do not condone reckless riding, nor drinking and riding.
I also don't condone people beating each other up on the trails for being "dissed".
Move to Toronto if you feel the need to bust a cap in someone's ass ‘cause they knocked off your hat..
The last thing snowmobiling needs is the public believing that we are not only drunken rednecks but are lawless vigilantes as well.

Ride safe and care about others, is it too much to ask...NO

Now on to different things like the super bowl

Another wonderful MXZX
"Oh and "KILLER" get some years under your belt before you go lipping off about sledding.Your 25.When I was 25 "

Hmm I'm 51, so that gives me 25 years on you
Maybe I should tell you to get some years under YOUR belt
In fact I have spent more years riding snows than you have been alive

FYI---I don't drink- period
& I do ride with my 16 year old son

Speed doesn't kill !!! Poor drivers do !!! There's a time & place for everything!

Nice comment on your 500 .. :wut60:

We do need more something on our trails but NOT hiding behind a sign with a radar on a 2 mile straightaway!!
The only time I have seen a STOP & cops on the trail, I have usually been trying to stay outta their center hugging way :frech32:

Agreed, the police don't directly make a profit from handing out fines.

They are however, funded at various levels by the provinces and municipalities to whom the fines are paid. You can't convince me that in this day and age, when every jurisdictional body and its second cousin is crying out for more funding, that there is no fiscal pressure to hand out tickets.

k,
Buddy gets a ticket for breaking the law.
Buddy whines and complains.About who?

Is it OPP/STOP fault?
OFSC fault?
Premier of Ontario fault?
My fault?


It is the operator of the snowmobiles fault of course.No if's,and's or but's

Stop the whining....Do it right and you will have no problems with the law. :div20:

Funny thing,
In today's society nobody's ever in the wrong......

true

Bla Bla Bla Are you done.Watch your blood pressure dude

Just back from the weekend so I thought I'd pipe in here since this seems to continue on. I didn't post a whiny story regarding my brother's ticket nor was I complaining. I'm also not blaming the STOP or OPP. Pissed off? Yeah a bit, but only because of the wasted $$$. There are no insurance or demerit penalties for these tickets so it only hurts in the bank ($110). I posted so that the many riders using this stretch would at least be aware that they are enforcing the posted limit and to keep an eye out when you feel like it is safe to bump up the speed a bit. This was an easy spot to get a bunch of riders and they did!

I'll pipe in on this one. First off thanks for the heads up doobee. Secondly the problem with snowmobiling is exactly this post. Everyone threating everyone else. Yes we all need to ride as safely as possible, but ACCIDENTS do occur. I was almost hit on the weekend in some twisties by an older man on a polaris. I wasn't going fast and I was on my side and I really dont think he was going all that fast either, he just slid out too far on a curve. Now I didn't stop and break his legs, because it was an accident. It was warm out and the trails were a little slushy meaning you had way more push in the corners. Everyone who owns a sled has had it over 50 km/hr even my old mirage was faster than that. Lets all sled as safe as possible, and remember accidents happen, and people speed. If riding with younger kids or inexperienced sledders, like I was this weekend put them in the middle or behind you just to be a little safer. I didn't buy my F7 for going 50 all day long but I save the the high speeds for the lake where you can get of the main trail and open her up IF YOU WANT!!!!!! Lets all get along, they got about 2 and half feet of snow where I was on Sunday cant wait to see you all on the trails.

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