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OK guys and gals.....


Time to open the 2005-2006 Snowmobile Law Enfocement Questions.......


If you have a Question about a specific Law, Rule, or What you need to ride in a specific area this is the place to ask......

whats the deal with the speed limits in new york? will they pull u over if u like pop a wheelie on accident or something?

Well , I cant speak for the NY Law Enforcement, but here in Michigan if you are not in control of your sled, you could be ticketed.

I would take into consideration what I see... Meaning if there are a bunch of people standing next to a guy lifiting his skis off the ground and there is a possibility of someone getting hurt..... Then maybe a ticket is in order....

However..... If you are in a field without anyone else around you , then I probably wouldnt get too excited....

Hopefully a NY Law Enforcement officer will read your post and answer....

Up here in Canada I go down to the bay and run radar on my lunch break...as for the wheelie, I say the same thing...it depends if someone else is put in Danger...

What about passing on a trail can you and just checking do you have to come to a stop at a trail stop sign? Refresh please.

Cody,

Same rules apply as a car. You must stop at a stop sign. For instance we have a trail here where it was a 4 way intersection and only one way had to stop. The other trail would see guys flying by at highspeeds. Problem was that you couldnt see the high speed rider until he was almost to the corner. If you see a stop sign there is a good reason that one was put there usually.

As far as passing , as long as your not being reckless or careless, you shouldnt have a problem. Most riders that are slower watch their mirrors or look behind once in awhile. If you do pass make sure its on a straight where you can see and never pass in a corner.

Hope that helps..

Awesome Thread!

I find it cool how people can get questions answered with legit answers

This may be a stupid question but I've always wondered........

Does a speeding ticket received on a sled end up being listed on your driving record? Referring to the MN speed limit law primarily.

I could care less about the fine for speeding on a sled, I just want to make sure that it wouldn't screw with my record, and therefore my insurance rates, etc.

If they put the ticket under rec. vehicle it won't go on your record but if your a dick to the cop he can write it just like you were in a car.

If someone has a CCW can they carry a handgun while riding sleds in Michigan?

Ten-39...

I dont know about Minn Law, but here in michigan the officer, Deputy, Trooper , DNR officer can either write in under DNR LAW or Motors Vehicle code. Motor Vehicle code could get you points depending on the offense. Even under DNR law certain violations will be added to your license points total....

I would advise you check your Minn DNR website for more info.

NEWM316....


Great Question


From what im understanding of the CCW laws, you can carry on a snowmobile.

I would caution doing this for several reasons.

1. If you forget and have one chambered and you smack a tree or another sled, there is a porbablity that it may discharge.

2. If you do become injured and cannot speak or communicate with EMS and Law enforcement, someone may discharge it by accident.

3. It may become stolen in the above situations.

4. You may forget that you have it and stop at a bar for even just a pop. ( A no no with a CCW )

5. If you do have a few drinks and blow over a .20 ( Going on memory here ) you can lose your ccw among other charges.

6. If you do end up carrying it, YOU MUST DISCLOSE TO ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER when coming into contact ( Being stopped as an example ) that you have a CCW and are carrying. Do not reach for it unless you are instruted to do so. You must carry your CCW permit when carrying the weapon.


That should be the jist of it...... I would strongly recommend NOT CARRYING... But it is your rightt....... There are just too many things that can go wrong unlike when your in an actual vehicle...

Aftermarket cans,are they illegal or legal as long as the aftermarket can is not louder than the stock muffler?

I appreciate the response! :div20:

With that said, I for one, find it odd that the law would allow for a correlation between the operation of a motor vehicle driven on public streets and the the operation of an off-road recreational vehicle on backwoods trails.

The two actions just seem arbitrary and unrelated, but I'm no attorney or LEO.

Lawdog:

I'm a Mi registered rider but planning a trip to stage from Wi with a group of out of state guys riding up into the UP. Can you brief me on what the riders from Wi, Mn, IL, and Ont. will need regarding permits. Thanks and appreciate this informational thread :div20:

HERT3,

They will need to have their sleds regsitered within their home state and be current on those registrations.

They also will need to purchase a Michigan Trail Permit, available at most sporting goods stores, Snowmobile Dealers and gas stations.

Those Permits will cost $ 25.00 and must be displayed just above or just below the headlight.

Another thing to remember is that Michigan no longer allows tinited headlight covers of any color anymore.

Good luck on your ride...

what are the exact rules for a person under 16 riding a snowmobile? can they be accompanied by an adult or parent on another sled without the safety course card? what are the consequences if caught without the class card? this is mostly just for riding around in the country in illinois. thanks





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Kris,

You will need to check your local DNR/Law Enforcement web sites. I can only answer for Michigan... Maybe there is a LEO from ILL who can answer ??

ok i will do that, but could you tell me what it is for michigan please? thanks

According to the MCL you may carry a concealed weapon( pistol) into a bar/ restraunt as long as alcohol isnt the main soure of income for that establishment.

yea thats got a lot to do with what were talking about...lol

What about Insurance?Do we need it?

Sorry guys... Was busy the last few days...

Here is the Law for the younger riding sledders for Michigan.

324.82120 Supervision of child less than 12 years of age; exception; conditions for operation of snowmobile by person 12 but less than 17 years of age; snowmobile safety certificate; crossing highway or street; duty of snowmobile owner; report of violation; suspension of certificate.

Sec. 82120.

(1) A parent or legal guardian shall not permit his or her child who is less than 12 years of age to operate a snowmobile without the direct supervision of an adult except on land owned or under the control of the parent or legal guardian.

(2) A person who is at least 12 but less than 17 years of age may operate a snowmobile if 1 of the following conditions exist:

(a) The person is under the direct supervision of a person who is 21 years of age or older.

(b) The person has in his or her immediate possession a snowmobile safety certificate issued pursuant to a program conducted under section 82107.

© The person is on land owned or under the control of his or her parent or legal guardian.

(d) The person possesses a snowmobile safety certificate issued to the person under the authority of a law of another state or province of Canada.

(3) A person who is operating a snowmobile pursuant to subsection (2)(b) shall present the snowmobile safety certificate to any peace officer upon demand.

(4) Notwithstanding section 82119, an operator who is less than 12 years of age shall not cross a highway or street. An operator who is at least 12 years of age but less than 17 years of age may cross a highway or street only if he or she has a valid snowmobile safety certificate in his or her immediate possession.

(5) The owner of a snowmobile shall not permit the snowmobile to be operated contrary to this section.

(6) When the judge of a juvenile court determines that a person who is less than 17 years of age has violated this part, the judge shall immediately report the determination to the department. The department upon receiving a notice of a determination pursuant to this subsection may suspend the snowmobile safety certificate without a hearing

You do not need proof of insurance, but I would recommend having full coverage if you ride... All it takes is one accident..

Radar check on a lake? or radar check on a trail?

:div20: lawdog,
let me start out by saying many thanks to you for your hard work and dedecation,
you have definitly set a fine example for all to follow! you're caring nature, mannerisms and the sharing of your wisdom, is a great assest to our snowmobiling comunity and the forums of hcs and others! :banana:


i have been involved in several conversations about the requirements of proper trailer towing on the highway. i have found that not very many are clear as to the requirements of, trailer brakes required at certain weight limits, maximun speeds, mirrors and lighting amoung others.

could you please post something to once and for all, to put these issues into the proper light for others to follow. :div20:

3holercat...

Thank you for the kind words...

I was posting some info under the michigan forum about this just now... The topic was mirror extentions...

We are seeing more and more vehicles with no mirror extensions when towing a covered trailer.. We have attempted to pull someone over and run for 5-10 miles before they finally see us along side, We are never sure if there trying to run, hiding the booze or just plain dont see us.

In Michigan is a requirement to have mirror extentions. If you cannot see behind along side the trailer or behind then you probably need them......

Each state has differant Laws reguarding Brakes, weight, type of truck to haul... I would encourage anyone to look online for their states requirements....

For instance, pulling a 10,000 trailer with a half ton is probably not rated for that type of pulling.......

Electric brakes are the best and really help in a panic situation... might even keep it from ending up in the ditch....

question about speed when passing people stopped on side of trail and also what are the rules near fish huts especially if they are right next to the trail

Clif....

There is no specific law regarding passing people stopped on a trail or next to a trail, but in michigan if an officer feels it is too fast or dangerous the person can be written for either unreasonable speed, careless, or in some cases reckless.

Ive never seen fish shacks right next to the trails up here ?????

But there is a 100 foot rule that states you can only travel at a speed which allows for forward motion.. Meaning 5-20 mph....

Bottom line is if your being safe and not racing around then you shouldnt have any issues.

what about road jumping legal or illegal???

Illegal here in Michigan as you are required to stop before crossing a roadway or driveway......

What in the hell is road jumping? Is this like an Evil Knevil stunt or something?

How about speed limits? is this different for lakes, trails, roads?