I just heard today at a club work bee that maine has a new law. No modifications to exhaust will be allowed. Really pisses me off because I have this HUGE stock can and now I can't get rid of it unless I feel like paying a ticket. Kind of evens out though as NH has the same law but they haven't enforced it on my riding group. I think they are mostly out for the speeders. God I hope we don't get speed limits in Maine. Glad I didn't buy a can for my sled friday when I had the chance.

What do you guys think about it?

Jared

you can modify the stock exhaust as long as you do NOT INCREASE NOISE LEVEL.

I think you should quit pissing and moaning about it. Even with a different can, you won't notice an increase in power, or a decrease in weight. Unless your racing, its a waste of money.

You sure about that? I heard that if you get caught with an aftermarket exhaust the warden has the right to ticket you even if the pipe is running into a stock canister.


Maybe I was just looking for a different tone and looking to get that beast out of there and clean up the look when I open the hood. :wut60: Do you say this to everyone who wants or has a can on their sled?

Wow thats a joke!!! Catch me if they can cause i aint stoppin and neither are my friends i would guess lol!!!

Speed limits...HAH. They probably wouldnt enforce them very well wow i have to move up north, up there you dont have to deal with this bs. haha well i doubt that they will pass speed limits but who knows!!!

Don't worry.....you'll eventually have to stop sometime. :frech32: :frech32:

14. Snowmobile noise level limits. This subsection governs noise levels for snowmobiles.
A. Except as provided in section 13112, a person may not:
(1) Operate a snowmobile that exceeds the noise limits for that snowmobile established in paragraph B; or
(2) Modify a snowmobile in a manner that amplifies or otherwise increases total noise emission above that of the snowmobile as originally constructed, regardless of the date of manufacture.
B. The following noise levels are established:
(1) Every snowmobile manufactured after February 1, 1975, and offered for sale or sold in this State must be constructed to limit total vehicle noise to not more than 78 decibels of sound pressure level at 50 feet on the "A" scale, as measured by the SAE standards J-192;
(2) Snowmobiles manufactured after October 1, 1973, but on or before February 1, 1975, and offered for sale or sold in this State must be constructed to limit the total vehicle noise to not more than 82 decibels of sound pressure level at 50 feet on the "A" scale, as measured by the SAE standards J-192; and
(3) Snowmobiles manufactured on or before October 1, 1973 are not subject to a specific noise level, except that they may not be modified in violation of this subsection.
C. The following penalties apply to violations of this subsection.
(1) A person who violates this subsection commits a civil violation for which a fine of not less than $100 nor more than $500 may be adjudged.
(2) A person who violates this subsection after having been adjudicated as having committed 3 or more civil violations under this Part within the previous 5-year period commits a Class E crime

there talkin about increasing noise levels not changing to aftermarket pipes or cans or whatever, just dont increase noise is all, heres a link with more of our laws,

http://www.maine.gov/ifw/rv/snowlaws.htm#noise%20level

Thats been a law in Maine :cn:

So what happens when you get caught or for some reason the warden thinks you are louder than 78 decibels? As far as I know a law similar to that is in the books for cars but Staties do not have measuring devices; makes it hard to believe that wadens will.

the way i understand it, its like a speeding ticket they need to get you on radar or pace you in order to enforce it, which means if they dont measure your db you could fight it and win in court. they can not fine you for being aftermarket, only for being louder.

i thought that has been a law for a while? think about all the people we know that have pipes and cans and how many of them have been fined...or even stopped? NONE

Im buying a rumble pack because they sound sweet, if i get stopped for it, ill sell it and put the stock one back on. I have rode a few years and have only seen a warden a couple times, plus, i dont think they will really pull you over to stop and check your exhaust sound level, how can they know if its over the limit?

^he'll outrun them we used to do it on the 4 wheelers all the time!!!

loud pipes close trails. get a fuckin clue guys.

im buying a can not pipes :no_bashing:

NH if the exhaust is not the stock one they can and will write up the ticket if they stop you... Suppose to be a big push for this year..

What's with all the running.

If you've got nothing to hide than don't run.

It's going to look great when you're running from the law and you take out someone else. :frech32:

You'll get caught eventually and hopefully arrested. All over what....some stupid cans that don't make much of a difference and piss-off landowners and get trails shut down.

Dumbasses like these get trails shut down and then ride across private property to get where they need to go anyway. Then they bitch that the trails are closed and don't even realize that they were part of the problem in the first place. People like this give sledders a bad name and piss the hell out of me. :frech32: :wut60: :frech32:

Getting down off the soapbox now.

Dude, I think he meant it as a figure of speech. Loud pipes/cans close trails. But whats another name for the can? Muffler, silencer, the thing that makes my sled more or less noisy. Not pickin' on ya though. My ZR had an MBRP can. Me likey.

look its very simple if we dont hold the noise down we will loose trails as we are now

Most trails are on peoples land so please think this out even if a warden doesnt catch you does that mean load sleds arent hurting us all??

And if you dont know how load your sled is go to radio shack you can buy a meter there to ckeck the db level.....

I would support a trail speed limit also riding on ITS 86 is a night mare with people going to fast and all over the trails

I hope they do it lives will be saved and less people hurt by idiots riding beyond what is safe

:div20: :div20:

ive logged over 10k miles in Maine in last 6 yrs , with the exception of gassing up , ive never seen a warden on the trrails( have seen em in erving stations with sled in back of pickup )so if ya got pipes or can , stay in the woods and away from residential ares , a lot easier to do in Maine then most states

if you have an aftermarket can, please stay off the trails, I actually enjoy riding trails, and dont want assholes to ruin the future of the sport....

Dont get all up set,that has been in effect for a very long time,the new law that is now in effect is ride right,which :doh: has always been most everyones motto is what they are going to try to in force,so when aproaching a rise in the trail or corner just slow down some and stay to the right and everyone should be ok,but i can see how they will try and take advantage of some easy places to hide and statke out an area lol :banana: .

Basically the way it works is if you sound loud they check your pipe/can. If it's not stock, you're busted, regardless. If it's stock, you're set.

Why anyone would put a louder can on for trail riding is a mystery to me. No, it does sound cool and it likely doesn't add performance. What it does do is help to get trail access limited. I know that one of the primary issues our club has in obtaining trial access is with noice issues.

I guess it's like everything else, simply an over compensation for something else lacking. Loud sled = small weiner

-Couch

Man i was just joking around, just meant that i dont think its right that we cant put stuff on our sleds because of a law and stuff like that. :beerchug:

No that law was the loudness law (decimal (sp)). The new law is no aftermarket exhausts much be OEM. This is coming straight from snowmobile club members not just some random stuff I made up.



Almost all wardens in NH do have those and so did a warden in jackman (he was messing with it in a restaurant we stopped in).



You should check on the second part. Yes the first part is right as it always has been but I was told they can fine you for being aftermarket but I doubt they would check unless you are being loud. It's not just about increases noise levels. Unless I missunderstood the guys but they were very clear aftermarket= new law and fine never really talked about raising noise level except that the only reason they would stop you is because of the increased noise level.



Because we barely ride with any of them. Matt T. has been stopped but wasn't fined because his pipe went into a stock canister and didn't increase noise level over the legal limit. Derek was stopped last year Andy said but didn't go over the legal limit. Last year it was based on noise level this year if they find out you have non OEM they will fine. I will be very easy to be like is that a new law? and try and get out of it. They use a noise measurer to find out how loud but I doubt any warden around here has one but there are alot of wardens behind my house on long weekends or after a big snow storm. Guess we will just have to go towards camp richid.



I think the big push was during the off season because now its a law.




No its a new law from what I heard and have said above. You are all thinking the noise level law. I can argue ride right is also an old law as if you were caught riding on the wrong side you would be ticketed for endangerment and recless driving.



Exactly^^

Joking around is fine but there is a time and a place for everything.

Loud cans and homeowners/landowners are usually not a good combination. Make all the noise you want.....but in the woods or on the track and not in the parking lots and gas stations in town.

There is a saying that if "you are looking for trouble, you'll usually find it" and that applies here.

You want to run cans on your sled...... don't be supprised if you have to pay the piper. :doh:

Sounds good sorry to disturb you. :beerchug:

Get a tighter grip on your hose there.. lol

So.. in comparison.. do LOUD pipes on Harleys close roads? NO and they are the worst to hear at 3am while your trying to sleep. But do they say anything about that? No SCREW the state law. Why is it so important that sleds and such are quiet but harleys can be so obnoxious? I have an MBRP can on my sled not a whole lot louder then stock but it sounds nice and roars quite well. Am I being any more rude to anyone then the local jackass with a harley with no mufflers just strait pipe blaring up and down Maine street all night? Back n forth.. ?

How about this argument... Loud pipes scare off deer and such at night that you cannot see as well? Ever think of that? And dont say it is not true cus I have a friend that has a Polaris Storm that is so loud it annoys the hell out of me but I dont know how many times we came across deer that just bolt when they hear him. its a toss up.. sleds like his... ya I can see where it can be an issue and they need to be quieted down.. but for us normal people with cans that make our sleds a bit lounder its crazy to fine us. People only pick on sleds because were an easy target because so many lefties are so worried about offending anyone out there.

Man you really sum up 55% of maine ya know that? Its really sad.. highest taxed state in the US Lowest pay in the US.. and I bet your out today proudly voting no on #1 and yes on all the bond issues to put this state in more debt and raise our taxes more.

Do us all a favor n go back to playing with your hose !!

lol

:banana:

Man I can't believe the post above. Do you know the difference between a public road and a private landowner trail? If you ride in Maine 95% of the trails are owned by private landowners that are used by the clubs with the landowners permission.Did you ever try to relocate a trail because it was closed due to noise?

Like Mainecat said above:

Harley's ride on PUBLIC roads that will NEVER get shut down b/c of noise. You just can't close a road b/c of noisy bikes.

Sleds ride on mostly PRIVATE land and when you piss off the people that make this land availiable they will CLOSE the trails. :doh: Simple fact.



Guy's it's pretty simple here: if we piss off the people that give us the pleasure/privilage to ride on their land, don't be so suprised that they take away that privilage later.

It may seem like a pretty stupid law to some but it actually benifits the entire snowmobiling community by ensuring that landowners are happy and keeping the trails open for future use. :beerchug:

loud pipes or cans is only one reason trails are closed. We have not even mentioned going off trail where posted, littering, etc.

We all have seen it on trail, there is a "Please Stay on Marked Trail" sign and then you see many tracks off trail. The next season the trail needs to be re-routed.

Somehow I think the loud pipe/can guys are riding off marked trails too. Just a hunch

:shutthefuckup: :surveysays:

No, but I'll argue that if I had my way they would (man I hate loud bikes and loud cars and junk on public roads).

I think that there is the difference. Me as a land owner granting access to snowmobilers has recourse when the grantees are loud and annoy me. I just close my land to them. Case closed, annoyance removed.

Unfortunately, we don't have that same option (as individuals) on public roadways. In otder to enact change there we have to go through legislative process and get noise ordinaces passed and enforced.

-Couch

I happen to know a warden quite well, and his take on the subject is: they understand that there are some quality aftermarket systems now being marketed that ARE very quiet in some cases still quieter that some stock sleds, (stock Cat triples are notoriously loud), and there are some obnoxiously loud pipes out their running around all hours of the night. Those are the ones they are looking for. They usually don't patrol in the woods, they just don't have the time, equipment, and resources to do it. Their time is better spent inforcing along roadside near town looking for alcohol and imprudent speed. They will target you if you have obnoxoius pipes and are disturbing people, and or breaking other laws (drinking). No they haven't purchased DB meters, nor do they have the training to use them.

And rightfully so.... they ought to be busting chops for these things in and around populated areas.

Just think how we are percieved by the non-sledding public when they see a bunch of dipshits raising hell in the gas station parking lots. Then add in a sled that has loud pipes/cans (whatever you want to call them) and you have the makings of a public relations fiasco. :frech32: :frech32:

I hope folks that are conerned about aftermarket pipes and their negative impact on the sport, are just as concerned about the tracked up fields you see that have signs saying"please stay on marked trail". This seems to be more of an issue than anything. Land encroachment.

guess what i have a can because it sounds sweet and everyone needs to stop bitching about it! :div20: :div20: :div20:

it'll be sweet when we loose all our trials because of your sweet sounding can...



nice post assclown

Hope you are ready to start bitching when trails get closed? :doh: :frech32:



With that type of smart remark you are probably going to be the cause of your own demise! :frech32: :frech32:

:beer: You guys in Maine had better protect what freedoms you have snowmobiling.Remember the folks you piss off probably have pull in gov't somewhere and they push for change.
Here in NY and in Vermont we have speed limits,noise level laws and the enforcement.I have a stock 600ZRT , I can't sneak around because the stock exhaust is loud and when riding in Vermont I get questioned about it all the time.But it is stock so they don't ticket me.Just imagine everyone doing 70MPH, With warn carbides and 11/4" studs, and screaming exhaust, fun but scary. :doh:

even if ya dont get a ticket , do ya realy wanna spend your riding time on the side of the trail pulling out paperwork and opening your hood?

wow out of all the time i have been riding have never even seen a warden and its not like i am going to defen people.

By the way you are the one that sounds like the assclown
:wtfcares: :wtfcares: :wtfcares: :wtfcares:

ski4lyfe and i mostly ride way up north where theres no people around, and i have never seen a warden up there. also, i just put my can on and its not any louder than stock untill you give it to 'er. if your going into town to get gas or going where theres a ton of houses, we will slow down and respect the people, but when were out in the woods, we are gonna let them bark!

dont u mean MEOW :augen41: lol that thing must sound mint i gotta comeover and hear her sometime.

nice attitude...


It doesnt matter if you see any wardens or not, its the land owners are gonna get fed up, and then not allow the trail to run through there property...then we have real problems...


really smart attitude for a kid who just started riding this year... :frech32:

No, But it's stock,doesn't need to be changed, and I haven't come across an aftermarket exhaust that's any quiter, and the're looking for loud aftermarket stuff.Leave it stock or replace it with stock, no trouble.Can't change the nature of the beast.

fastfirecat I am just messing around with everyone I am going to be respectful to land owners this year.