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Old 04-18-2017, 10:29 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Stood in a pair of 'em at the dealer yesterday, plus an inline ... a few observations and ideas ...

1. I can stand up in a 6' PR ... it's tight, if I had any hair left it would brush the inside of the roof supports, but it's not uncomfortable. Same on the inline. No way in the hybrid, and I don't think a tall rider forward sled with a big windshield (e.g. Axys SWB Adventure) would fit in the forward position of the hybrid.

2. 14" wheels on the inline, 13's on the PR and the hybrid. FWIW we've had that 16' PR with 13s since the mid-90s, it's got a lot of miles on it, hasn't eaten a bearing so far but the life of the tires isn't great. So that's a consideration.

3. Approach angle of the inline is really low, the hybrid is greatest, the deckover PR is somewhere in the middle.

4. Agreed with the poster regarding placement of front ramp ... when I do use it, that's the place to have it. I can see that if I have four sleds onboard, I'll like unloading the front pair from the front when possible.

5. I get the sneaking suspicion i've been overthinking aero too much, vs. weight. My experience with my 18' boat that i use to fish and hunt, which I tow well over 10K miles a year and keep pretty close track of mpg ... There's about a 500 lb. weight difference between rigged to fish vs. rigged to hunt ... same aero ... and that costs me a noticeable 1 to 1.5MPG. Here are weights and mileage observations from a few comparable trailers ...

Boat rigged to fish = about 2200 lb. = 13 mpg

Boat rigged to hunt = about 2700 lb. = 12 mpg or less

Obviously no comparison between the aero of a boat vs. that of a trailer but i'm going somewhere with this ... trying to figure out more precisely what weight does to mpg of this particular truck.

12' clamshell with a ramp and top + 2 sleds = about 1850 lb. = 11 mpg. I have seen > 12 mpg with only one sled aboard.

PR168 + 3 sleds = about 3400 lb. = 9mpg

PR208 + 4 sleds = about 4400 lb. = ? mpg

PR227 + 4 sleds = about 4300 lb. = ? mpg

TC228 + 4 sleds = about 3780 lb. = ? mpg

Just a wild ass guess but I can imagine that a 1000 lb. difference costs me about 1.5 mpg, assuming similar aero.

In the grand scheme of things that's not that big a difference ... i trailer the sleds maybe 4000 miles annually, if it's a lousy snow year locally ... at today's gas prices, it's going to cost me $300 a season more to run at 7 mpg than 9. And there shouldn't be much more than a 2mpg diff between any of the options I'm looking at... right?
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Old 04-18-2017, 10:57 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Aero doesn't matter that much at speeds = or <60mph. At higher speeds, it becomes exponentially more important as the speed increases. I've said this several times on this forum but I owned a deckover style of trailer with the 6' interior and pulled it with a 3/4 ton diesel truck and that thing was getting killed by the cross winds to the point that I listed it on Ebay after only owning it for 1 trip up north and back. I was willing to take whatever I could get online and eat the rest as a loss. It sucked. I now own 2 different inline trailers and my opinion is that they tow so much better, the low deck height makes it more useful and the larger tires are very nice. Both of mine have 15" wheels. I have used them far more than I ever would have imagined. The lower deck height makes it so you can get even the lowest riding bikes inside (my can-am spyder) and in the winter you're not climbing up a steep slick ramp.
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Yep, inlines typically have 15" tires, so I would check that out. It's not bearing life that concerns me with smaller tires, it's the ride quality. You won't believe the difference until you pull one over some really rough roads. Not to mention now you have radial tires available to you. And the low deck height is aerodynamically superior which as Sled 208 said is much more of a factor as speeds increase. I don't really get much worse mileage with my inline at 75mph than I do at 60, maybe 1mpg. The added length is really the only downside to inlines- as long as you don't need 8' wide for anything you may use it for in the off season.
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Good input and lots to think about guys. Thanks ...
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I agree with 208 on the mpg dive and aero resistance over/under 60 mph. I also agree it would be nicer if my deck was a bit lower to get my Harley in - BUT, I've never really tried it.
Having said that - I tow my trailer 2500 miles a year. I've had it 16 years and replaced tires once. They need replaced again (mainly because my brakes were bad and I wore some tires pretty bad)
But you CAN get 13" Radials in load range D. I'll be putting those on my trailer in the next few weeks.

I personally think that the trailer design has more to do with how it pulls that whether it's a deckover versus an inline. I pulled another brand (inline) with a 1 ton dually diesel. I was surprised how much sway compared to puling my Triton PR with a 1/2 ton truck. I felt that my Triton was more stable with a 1/2 ton than the other inline with a 1 ton truck. Go figure.
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I tow about 5,000 plus miles a yr, and I agree, the design of the trailer makes a HUGE difference on how it tows or doesn't, as well as how it takes side winds.
lower will always be better in BOTH trailers are made the same other wise, just less air on ALL sides of it to effect it., .
SOmething to also remember here is, on them trailers you looked at with 6 ft insides, and you say you BARELY FIT,
remember when loading/unloading or?? and having a helmet on, your going to be NOW Hitting that off that ceiling!
helmets ain't cheap, if you have a shield up and smack it, seen it a few times over the yrs LOL

so keep that in mind

as for tires, MY opinion on them is this, Larger dia tires the better, with GOOD weight ratings and SPEED ratings
as if you have say a 25 inch tall tire on your trailer and a 33 inch tall tire on your truck, them trailer tires are going WAY faster than the tires on your tow vehicle, ( say truck is going 75 mph, trailer tires might be going 95 mph, and NOT many trailer tires on deck overs are rated for that speed really??)
and speed makes heat and heat makes tires sticky and they tend to pick up more things and are more prone to wear and flats

I have blown out a few too many tires over the yrs on tilt deck over trailers than I care to think of!
running 75 mph for 10+ hrs at a time, I found if I stay below 70 they don't or NOT as often any how!
another tip, I guess is On all my trips I carry a cordless impact gun, to make any tire changes as fast as possible, ain't NO fun changing a tire on the side of the road, came close to getting hit a few times, even 50 ft off the side of Hi ways?? CRAZY< seems like folks see you and try and follow behind no matter HOW far off road you get at times??
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These guys are experienced at pulling trailers and they speak the truth. My experiences are quite similar. Listen to them!
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One correction. If your truck tires are going 75 mph, so are your trailer tires. Unless they've come off and passed you.

They are doing more rpm but they are going the same speed. So if they're rated for 75 then they'll go 75 at whatever rpm that happens to be given their diameter
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One correction. If your truck tires are going 75 mph, so are your trailer tires. Unless they've come off and passed you.

They are doing more rpm but they are going the same speed. So if they're rated for 75 then they'll go 75 at whatever rpm that happens to be given their diameter
I would agree to this statement as well. RPM's is the difference.
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Old 04-27-2017, 01:15 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Backing out of that hybrid would be a pain and I am shocked they even make that size of a hybrid. For less than either of those options you could buy a 4 place inline that will pull better.
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