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Old 03-17-2013, 09:57 PM   #161 (permalink)
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I have a 2013 f1100 turbo snopro. It is in the manual that the belts are broke in at 100km. Sled break in is 600miles 1000km. From what I have seen this year for belt blows, it sounds lime a bad belt. The 2013 are turning the belts into bits cords and fur! Not just a chunk out. At the end of the day, if I'm going to spend another 17k on a sled made by arctic cat they can employ a new R&D crew and stop using the consumer to work out the problems.

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I can't argue with the materials, but when Doo finally steps up and mass produces a 177 hp sled at this light weight without issues, then you can brag about Doos amazing parts. Until then, Theres nothing to discuss or compare.
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Old 03-18-2013, 06:28 AM   #163 (permalink)
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why would anyone spend any money fixing there sled. arctic cat should fix it not us. I really think that is te wrong way. Artcic cat should be fixing these issues not us. i cant believe some of u are willing to spend so much extra money to fix arctic cats mistake. Poor company in my mind.
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why would anyone spend any money fixing there sled. arctic cat should fix it not us. I really think that is te wrong way. Artcic cat should be fixing these issues not us. i cant believe some of u are willing to spend so much extra money to fix arctic cats mistake. Poor company in my mind.
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I,m sure a lot of guys wouldn,t mind throwing a bit of money at these sleds IF there was a fix that would cure the problems. Unfortuately, it,s like throwing a dart, at a board 200 feet away. Nobody has one solution that can be applied to all the sleds to permanently fix Cats problems. You cann,t have that kind of stock power, and a slinky for a chassis, and expect everything to stay alined. And it,s BS when haters say, you asked for a lighter sled, and now you got it, to bad. There are many ways to make the sled lighter, but still build it strong enough to stand up to the torque and HP. Unfortuately, using cheap parts made out of chinesium isn,t the answer. The reason Cat cannot come up with a permanent fix on these sleds is because they cann,t come up with another CHEAP solution. It isn,t going to happen, cause the bean counters won,t allow it. I,m sure they,re hoping, that the problem will just go away on it,s own. Nickel and dime fixes aren,t going to work, and that,s the major problem.
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The reason Cat cannot come up with a permanent fix on these sleds is because they cann,t come up with another CHEAP solution. .
That is spot on..
Cat realizes what the complete solution is to fix this mass problem in the turbo sleds. It requires retrofitting the chassis with bracing and a thicker pan and frame mount for the engine/clutches that extend into the tunnel to remove front half flex, hence removing any misalignment at speed when the chassis is flexing..
They have already tried all of the cheap stuff to no avail..

I am stunned (maybe not) that the 14' chassis wasn't re-designed.
I am guessing that the new engines will come with a new front half of the chassis. In the meantime, Cat seems to feel that they have a solid chance to get to the other side (15'MY) cheaper by chalking up the 12'-14' turbo guys as a loss, rather than to invest in an expensive chassis retooling for two MY's, along with an "in field" complete warranty fix to the chassis.

My guess is that the effected guys are totally and completely on their own..
Two model years without fix? That defies logic. Cat bean counters are making this decision.



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If you guys want to fix your sleds, I would pull all of the drive hardware along with the engine and strengthen up everything under the hood that has any potential to flex under the torque of these monsters. Look to the Twin Spar to draw up the foundation of the new front half. My guess is that it's flexing somewhere behind the engine, close to the tunnel where the lack of lever support is the weakest. We know that the TS worked fine, probably from the better and thicker tunnel support of the front half.. Some of you guys are pretty damn smart, and the solution will lay with guys like Smitty and others to re-engineer the front half of the chassis.
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If you guys want to fix your sleds, I would pull all of the drive hardware along with the engine and strengthen up everything under the hood that has any potential to flex under the torque of these monsters. Look to the Twin Spar to draw up the foundation of the new front half. My guess is that it's flexing somewhere behind the engine, close to the tunnel where the lack of lever support is the weakest. We know that the TS worked fine, probably from the better and thicker tunnel support of the front half.. Some of you guys are pretty damn smart, and the solution will lay with guys like Smitty and others to re-engineer the front half of the chassis.


Its not a chassis problem, if it was then every procross sled would be having the same issue. And are you still going to say its the chassis when next year Yami's are NOT burning belts. Oh btw, did ANYONE think to ask if any of the Yamicat sleds burned belts on their demo ride??? How come, same chassis!
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why would anyone spend any money fixing there sled. arctic cat should fix it not us. I really think that is te wrong way. Artcic cat should be fixing these issues not us. i cant believe some of u are willing to spend so much extra money to fix arctic cats mistake. Poor company in my mind.
I agree, but honestly I am still on the fence, is it poor company, or poor dealers, or a little of both?
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I believe it is a chassis problem. The reason some guys are having problems, and some aren,t is because some are driving those sleds like they were meant to be driven, and some bought them for bragging rights and weiner enlargers, and toddle along at 30 mph, on a perfectly groomed flat trail. Guaranteed, if they put those sleds in the hands of the guys that ride them hard, they will have problems. You would think a company with the resources of Cat would have a machine in their facility that could check frame flexing and torsional rigidity, before they mass produce a bunch of sleds, with flexing problems.. I would love to see someone beef these things up, and then run it hard.
Unfortuately, that would take, tons of time, testing, and material. To make things right, Cat is going to ave to spend a ton of cash, and I,m not sure they,re willing to do that.
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I believe it is a chassis problem. The reason some guys are having problems, and some aren,t is because some are driving those sleds like they were meant to be driven, and some bought them for bragging rights and weiner enlargers, and toddle along at 30 mph, on a perfectly groomed flat trail. Guaranteed, if they put those sleds in the hands of the guys that ride them hard, they will have problems. You would think a company with the resources of Cat would have a machine in their facility that could check frame flexing and torsional rigidity, before they mass produce a bunch of sleds, with flexing problems.. I would love to see someone beef these things up, and then run it hard.
Unfortuately, that would take, tons of time, testing, and material. To make things right, Cat is going to ave to spend a ton of cash, and I,m not sure they,re willing to do that.
OK, then remember this next year, when they Yami's aren't burning belts. I rode my sled hard as hell yesterday, worst stutter bumps of the year, alot of rocks and bad trails and beating it on the lake, and no problem. So am I just lucky? I don't think so, I don't ditch bang like a lot of you guys on here, but I can honestly say I am not easy on my sled. Again remember this when the yami's aren't burning belts. And I searched , I can't find a Yamaha burned belt or belt fell apart on a demo ride post anywhere?
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