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Old 04-01-2007, 09:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I am looking for the bearing no for the bearing to upgrade mine im thinking i can buy it cheaper directly than going through a repair or speed shop, also what do i need other than the bearing?
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Old 04-02-2007, 05:51 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Slp be has it but you have to send the cases in to have them reworked $96 ,ph 208 529-0244
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Old 04-02-2007, 06:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I am looking for the bearing no for the bearing to upgrade mine im thinking i can buy it cheaper directly than going through a repair or speed shop, also what do i need other than the bearing?[/b]
No need to rework the cases unless you are going with a larger O.D. bearing, it's simply a double wide bearing and thinner spacer.

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What are they doing to the ccases? Are they pinning the bearing? Have been told by others that no case work is required, and some I've talked with suggest wide bearing isn't that big a deal.....??
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What are they doing to the ccases? Are they pinning the bearing? Have been told by others that no case work is required, and some I've talked with suggest wide bearing isn't that big a deal.....??[/b]
If you have the bearing, spacer, a large press, bearing seperator, & bearing installation tool, there's nothing to it. They do not pin the bearing, takes 10-15 minutes to do, plus checking runout.

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<<<If you have the bearing, spacer, a large press, bearing seperator, & bearing installation tool, there's nothing to it. They do not pin the bearing, takes 10-15 minutes to do, plus checking runout.>>>

Don, this looks like crank work only - nothing regarding the case halves?

Anyone else hear that there are some substandard bearings being sold for this application?
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<<<If you have the bearing, spacer, a large press, bearing seperator, & bearing installation tool, there's nothing to it. They do not pin the bearing, takes 10-15 minutes to do, plus checking runout.>>>

Don, this looks like crank work only - nothing regarding the case halves?

Anyone else hear that there are some substandard bearings being sold for this application?[/b]
I would bet that someone is doing a larger diameter (O.D.) bearing which then would require case machineing, however, the ones we do are just a double wide replacment, no case work at all. As far as substandard bearings, you could find just about anything that would fit I guess, don't know why anyone would do that to someone though.

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... however, the ones we do are just a double wide replacment, no case work at all.
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How much $$$ is the wide bearing?
Do you have a part number for the Polaris part?
Do you sell them Don?
Is the thinner brg. spacer a part you can buy, or do you need to modify / make one?
Do the cases need an oil channel modified?
I've heard modifying it to make oil go to the outer side of the outside brg only is an improvement, but I don't know how they are stock???
In your opinion Don, is it worth doing the "wide bearing upgrade", for insurance on an 800 twin Polaris?
What would you charge to check (runout and index) and update (wide PTO bearing set-up) a "Good" crank, assuming it does not need other parts?
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Here's my experience with the wide bearings. My buddy bought the kit from slp(just the bearing and spacer) and told them he'd get it put on locally.(we have a local crank guy) He got it, and it was an skf 5207 a/c3 bearing. That's the part number for the slp one. I believe he paid around $80 for it. I went to the local bearing house and ordered it for $30. For the spacer, you can use just a 1mm polaris stock spacer. Had local guy put it on. I rode the sled for 2 seasons with it on. Now just for the record, most all standard crank bearings are c4 bearings. This one is a c3. For those of you that don't know the difference, the c? designation is the internal clearance of the bearing(without getting too technical) with the c3 being a little tighter than the c4. This season i had a rod bearing go out, so i tore the engine down to get it fixed. When i pulled the crank i had it in my hands and the big bearing SLID right off the end. I took it to my crank guy, and showed him this. He thought my crank was junk because the bearing spun on the shaft. He grabbed a new bearing that he had and LUCKILY it was a press fit, meaning the shaft was ok yet. I could've threw the old bearing from across the room and got it on the shaft it was that loose. The crank guy looked at the bearing and seen what it was, and said he doesn't use those now, he has other ones. When this mod first came out, Allsport polaris was the ones doing it out west if you remember reading about it in snowtech. After following this subject on Snowest, i found out Cranky Joe out in Washington was doing the mod for Allsport, but he has c4 bearings with a pin in them. He doesn't like the to sell them outright. A buddy of mine talked him into selling him one, and took it to our local crank guy, and i don't know if he got the number off the package or what, but now he stocks them. When i got mine i didn't get to see a part number, but the package said WPS on it(western power sports). After looking it up and comparing to the 5207 skf i believe the bearing he's using is wps#43-20900. It's from a watercraft. It should be a c4 and same dimensions as the skf bearing, and lists for $65, about what he charged me for mine. I'm not positive though, but about 99% sure. After following the subject on snowest, quite a few guys had failures with the slp setup. Never heard alot about the allsport setup. Some say with the tighter clearance, it creates drag on the bearing once hot, and causes the bearing to spin in the cases, or on the shaft. Obviously mine spun on the shaft. The bearing itself spun free as could be even after it fell off, so i tend to believe the heat theory. Sorry for the long post but wanted to let you guys know my experience and maybe save a few headaches for someone else.
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BTW, even though i didn't get to see the actual part number for the bearing i got, it does say c4 on the bearing, or package. I know i saw that too. My crank guy is kinda sneaky like that, so you have to go through him to get the parts. I am 100% sure on the wps label on the package though, and i looked up the dimensions on the web here, and the dimensions for the skf bearing, and the wps bearing are the same, so it should be the right part number. Also with the pin, you need to grind a small notch in the cases for the pin, but that eliminates the bearing spinning in the cases.
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