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Old 01-09-2017, 08:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The group of VT'rs I ride with had an in depth "conversation" at lunch while riding Saturday. What will be the tipping point where the cost will stop us from riding in VT.

NH non residents I pay $116
Maine non residents pay $99
VT RESIDENT pay $183 (registration and TMA)

We all understand the cost and actually we all cut trail and maintain our local southern vt trail so we know the work and volunteer hours required.

I left from Rte 2 crossing that was 1.5 hours from home but Lancaster bridge to nh is only .5 hours further. Next year my son will ride so $200 sled may be the tipping point to by pass vt. How ironic I will volunteer and cut and maintain local but will skip riding there.

How many riders have already done this? What is vast tma sales numbers. Are they on a decline?

Not instigating a argument but just curious if others are feeling the same way.
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Old 01-09-2017, 08:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It's defiantly becoming a consideration. But NH sucks (to many people/fish and game) and Maine is to far away for every weekend.
I guess I will just register in all 3 as usual
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IMO yes the entire sport I'd snowmobiling in the northeast is at a decline, lets face it, it's expensive! It's not going to get any cheaper, it's becoming a sport for a select few compared to years past. Can it be done on the cheap? Of course but the majority want to ride newer machines, have newer trucks, newer trailers etc, I was introduced to the sport around 23-34 years old by a close friend, I'm fortunate that he showed me the ways (where to ride, where to stay) and helped me along the way, I'm also fortunate that I've had a good job with opportunities that enabled me to purchase new sleds and equipment, at 35 I've had four new sleds and prolly 6-7 used sleds, 2 trailer (one being brand new) and numerous trucks to haul everything. I have friends my age that can't buy a cup of coffee and still live with mommy and daddy, it's just the way it is, lack of motivation, lack of drive etc. I do my best to introduce new riders to the sport and have been successful with a few but lets face it, it costs a good bit of money to enjoy the sport of snowmobiling plus the time it takes to get up north (for me), VT is 2 hours to the border for me, I'm at good riding at 2.5 hours, even though I also register in NH ill continue to register and ride in VT for convenice.....
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I think it would be good if Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire would just simply offer reciprocal registration privileges and then agree on a trail pass fee that would permit use in all three states (Tri-State permit) as well as a lower trail permit fee for use in the riders home state only. They could then simply divide up the trail pass proceeds from the "Tri-State" permits. I am sure this could be worked out to provide a more cost effective alternative for those snowmobiler's that wish to ride in all three states.
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Just my opinion...in NH we are overdue for a registration price increase because the current price does not keep up with the cost of equipment and fuel to maintain our trails. Add in the decreasing number of registered sleds and we will soon reach a point where our trails won't get the maintenance necessary to make them the good trails they are. As for the "fish cops", they're stretched too thin to be effective...just know their hiding spots and you will never have a problem. The crowded trails are the ones in the extreme north!
I would say VAST is on the right track...
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I think it would be good if Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire would just simply offer reciprocal registration privileges and then agree on a trail pass fee that would permit use in all three states (Tri-State permit) as well as a lower trail permit fee for use in the riders home state only. They could then simply divide up the trail pass proceeds from the "Tri-State" permits. I am sure this could be worked out to provide a more cost effective alternative for those snowmobiler's that wish to ride in all three states.
One issue with combining the 3 states is that Maine and NH are state run where VT is a private not for profit organization. I wouldn't want to see the state take it over because it would then be politically run instead of user run. There are already landowners out there that think by shutting down a section of trail they are putting a thorn into the side of the state government of vermont when really they are hurting their neighbors and businesses and the organization itself. It is definitely tough with more then one sled. I have to save up through the year for that and for any repairs needed.
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Good used sleds are cheaper to ride in the long term than they ever have been. 600 etecs will go roughly 3X more miles than the older 2 strokes ever did and 4 strokes are out there running over 20,000 miles routinely.
Chaincases, driveshaft/ jackshaft bearings and other drivetrain issues are insignificantly small if compared to 20 years ago.
So, I see the comparative cost of riding as lower overall if counting pennies. Years ago, if you bought a used sled, it was generally junk. Not true anymore.
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I got off point on that last post, picking up on someone else's comment.

As far as a tipping point...my number is somewhere above $400 and it would be a move to Quebec, not NH or Maine as my primary.
Currently, you are saying VT is a $67 premium over NH, assuming equivalent products. Well, VT is a much more organized network, but let's say they're equal. If you ride 10 times in a season, you would burn another 10 hours of gas in your scenario...I don't think you could get 10 hours on $67 of fuel.
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The group of VT'rs I ride with had an in depth "conversation" at lunch while riding Saturday. What will be the tipping point where the cost will stop us from riding in VT.

NH non residents I pay $116
Maine non residents pay $99
VT RESIDENT pay $183 (registration and TMA)

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NH is $67 dollars more expensive, and Maine is $84.

From my perspective, you are talking one tank of fuel in a truck. If I was to go to Maine, id spend more fuel than that to get there extra, plus your drive time and vehicle maintenance.

The TMA and registration, on AVERAGE, is one of the lowest cost items compared to sleds, vehicles, trailers, fuel, hotel, insurance, etc. But it repairs bridges, insures the trails, and provides the groomers which are averaging over $200,000 to fully set up a new Tucker.

I used to complain , until I watched the credit card, and see what everything else costs.
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