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Old 01-11-2017, 10:04 AM   #71 (permalink)
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In my opinion Vermont needs to simplify the trail pass purchase. I see comments all the time on sled pages on Facebook of riders asking what it entails to ride in Vermont matter of fact their is one this morning on the forum asking about riding in Vermont. My suggestion would be is to make it a one stop shopping( TMA, Insurance and Club Dues even registration sticker all in one). The new webpage allowing you to purchase a TMA online is an excellent start, next thing I would suggest is to eliminate the registration sticker. For a first timer who registers a sled in Vermont it's a bitch mailing in separate paperwork to the VT DMV so they can mail you a separate sticker, that's BS Maine or NH have no such thing. With the way society is today, kids playing sports, employers being more demanding than ever people don't have time jumping through hoops to go snowmobiling they want point and click and done let's go riding. Let me just say, I ride in all three states, own property with trail access in Vermont and nothing tops Vermont's trail system however the state of Maine nailed it when it comes to registering a sled or ATV. It literally takes less than 3 minutes on one web page, point and click and done!
Making it simpler would help. The on-line TMA is heading in that direction.

Being able to get insurance at the same time would be HUGE. Not sure who remembers, but the first year (only the first year) VT had the 3 (or was it a 5 day) pass, it INCLUDED insurance to make things simple.

I know every time I explain to somebody the "Your sled must be registered SOMEWHERE, then you need to buy a TMA", etc. Then I tell them if your sled is 'registered' in Vermont you can get the In-State TMA which is cheaper, blah, blah, blah. Once they start Snoring and their eyes roll back in their head I know it's too complex.
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Well, I thought it was a plus that VAST isn't tied into the State of Vermont DMV?
Aren't Maine and NH trails are in bed with their state government which is probably why its one stop shopping?
Why should VAST or the clubs do DMV's job or even the sled owner's?
Online in Quebec, I just fill out what my state reg # is and the state I'm from.

Register your sled, research what way is cheaper, ie. early bird (PQ does this too btw) or wait to see if it snows then pay the premium.
It is pretty much like that with everything nowadays.
It would be nice to see more people riding but it is super expensive costs going down?
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Old 01-11-2017, 12:31 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Trail closure(s) are my tipping point. Remember when there was a use study for the Silvio O. Conte area - that area market “Sensitive” on the VAST map in the NEK??.. Think about all the trails lost in the last 10 years and how few new trails created…
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Old 01-11-2017, 12:33 PM   #74 (permalink)
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Well, I thought it was a plus that VAST isn't tied into the State of Vermont DMV?
Aren't Maine and NH trails are in bed with their state government which is probably why its one stop shopping?
Why should VAST or the clubs do DMV's job or even the sled owner's?
Online in Quebec, I just fill out what my state reg # is and the state I'm from.

Register your sled, research what way is cheaper, ie. early bird (PQ does this too btw) or wait to see if it snows then pay the premium.
It is pretty much like that with everything nowadays.
It would be nice to see more people riding but it is super expensive costs going down?
That square yellow and green sticker that has letters and numbers is from the DMV and not VAST.
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Old 01-11-2017, 12:37 PM   #75 (permalink)
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Making it simpler would help. The on-line TMA is heading in that direction.

Being able to get insurance at the same time would be HUGE. Not sure who remembers, but the first year (only the first year) VT had the 3 (or was it a 5 day) pass, it INCLUDED insurance to make things simple.

I know every time I explain to somebody the "Your sled must be registered SOMEWHERE, then you need to buy a TMA", etc. Then I tell them if your sled is 'registered' in Vermont you can get the In-State TMA which is cheaper, blah, blah, blah. Once they start Snoring and their eyes roll back in their head I know it's too complex.
Yes I remember that, one of my buddies who generally doesn't ride in Vermont was able to purchase the 5 day pass at the Hilltop in Barre which included the registration, TMA and insurance. From what I understand that's not an option anymore as those locations that sell TMA's no longer handle the registration piece that's handled by the DMV.
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I stopped going 15 yrs ago. Between the cost the goat paths and the police on sleds. I'll never go back.
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Well, I thought it was a plus that VAST isn't tied into the State of Vermont DMV?
Aren't Maine and NH trails are in bed with their state government which is probably why its one stop shopping?
Why should VAST or the clubs do DMV's job or even the sled owner's?
Online in Quebec, I just fill out what my state reg # is and the state I'm from.

Register your sled, research what way is cheaper, ie. early bird (PQ does this too btw) or wait to see if it snows then pay the premium.
It is pretty much like that with everything nowadays.
It would be nice to see more people riding but it is super expensive costs going down?
NH clubs get money from the general fund as a guess as to actual members and therefor funds. Best thing you can do in NH is send your membership to the club, they cash the check and get money right now. Even if you live in VT VAST honors the NH registration as being registered. You could register in NH, buy a TMA and cut the VT DMV out of it. Now you have 2 states to ride in and saved a little money.
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That square yellow and green sticker that has letters and numbers is from the DMV and not VAST.
Yeah just like my big green plate on my truck & trailer the little white stickers come when I send DMV monies

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I stopped going 15 yrs ago. Between the cost the goat paths and the police on sleds. I'll never go back.
Me and my family have been riding in Vermont since like 1970 and have never been unduly interfered with by the police. Once I did ride through a Fish and Game checkpoint and they looked at my registration and VAST sticker and just waived me through. No problems.
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