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Old 08-06-2010, 10:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey guys

Our club here in Newbrunswick just bought a used Piston Bully.
I have seen a few in Maine during my travels there. How do you like them?
Any issues with them?
I believe ours is powered by a mercedes diesle?

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QUOTE (Whaler @ Aug 6 2010, 09:27 AM)
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Hey guys

Our club here in Newbrunswick just bought a used Piston Bully.
I have seen a few in Maine during my travels there. How do you like them?
Any issues with them?
I believe ours is powered by a mercedes diesle?

Thanks for the comments![/b]
That's all the Pittsburg Ridge runners have and over the years they seem to have good luck with them, they tried 1 of those New holland tractor/ groomer and don't think it worked out to well. Good luck with the new/used groomer.
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Old 08-06-2010, 07:13 PM   #3 (permalink)
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QUOTE (Whaler @ Aug 6 2010, 08:27 AM)
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Hey guys

Our club here in Newbrunswick just bought a used Piston Bully.
I have seen a few in Maine during my travels there. How do you like them?
Any issues with them?
I believe ours is powered by a mercedes diesle?

Thanks for the comments![/b]
talk to subzerohero on here, he has 2 bullys.. Im sure once he sees it he'll chime in
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Old 08-09-2010, 01:57 PM   #4 (permalink)
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talk to subzerohero on here, he has 2 bullys.. Im sure once he sees it he'll chime in[/b]
I am a little concerned with the engine. Not sure about parts and etc?
Glad to hear all the comments!

Summer sucks! Too warm!
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I am a little concerned with the engine. Not sure about parts and etc?
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should be the same motor they use in commercial trucks so you can probably get your parts/maint from a commercial truck shop.
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Old 09-05-2010, 04:52 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Is it a mid engine or under cab? Do yo know the year or model? Jackman had a PB 270 w/ a Mercedes V-6. Tons of power and torque, too much really for the cut down tracks... big appetite for fuel too. It also had a cracked sleeve and we went through abbout 5 gallons of coolant every night.

The ones we have at the FAR club are "newer" (mid 90's) PB 240's with the cummins inline 6. I think that the key to your success with the machine will be in upgrading to wide-as-feasible tracks. Jamie will tell you, the 24 inch track bars coupled with all that power really translate into trouble. We upgraded our 24 incher to 30 somethings and the difference is unbelievable. Our "big" PB has even wider tracks. Pulls a ten foot factory built mogul master with ease.

Another big factor with the former alpine machines is the blade up front. Good operators can keep a solid flat trail without the NASCAR corners, and if using the blade to prep the snow surface in front of the drag as you go, you don't have to carry as much snow in the drag and it can function as it was designed.

There are two major downsides of the PB's. One is that there are so many hydraulic lines, big and small, with fittings that tend to become leaky with age. Again, Jamie can testify to how frustrating that can be. Also, if a line ruptures on the trail, they can be a real nightmare to repair. The second is that there older machines came with an open faced track bar that was made of a spring steel. Very brittle and easily broken when crawling over rocks and stumps early, late, and during low snow periods. They are spendy! The newer closed face track bars are tenstimes more rugged, but again, very spendy to make that upgrade. FAR club bought a set for one of our machines for 5K and they had pretty rotten track belts. When we mentioned it to the vendor, the reply was that we were buying track bars, not rubber... The long and short of it is that the PB's require good maintemance and observant operators to catch trouble before it gets out of hand and costly.

It is worth noting that my machine with the FAR club ended the season with over 20K hours in the meter... the other machine was over 13K... fairly durable.

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QUOTE (Whaler @ Aug 6 2010, 08:27 AM)
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Hey guys

Our club here in Newbrunswick just bought a used Piston Bully.
I have seen a few in Maine during my travels there. How do you like them?
Any issues with them?
I believe ours is powered by a mercedes diesle?

Thanks for the comments![/b]
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Old 09-21-2010, 01:34 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Is it a mid engine or under cab? Do yo know the year or model? Jackman had a PB 270 w/ a Mercedes V-6. Tons of power and torque, too much really for the cut down tracks... big appetite for fuel too. It also had a cracked sleeve and we went through abbout 5 gallons of coolant every night.

The ones we have at the FAR club are "newer" (mid 90's) PB 240's with the cummins inline 6. I think that the key to your success with the machine will be in upgrading to wide-as-feasible tracks. Jamie will tell you, the 24 inch track bars coupled with all that power really translate into trouble. We upgraded our 24 incher to 30 somethings and the difference is unbelievable. Our "big" PB has even wider tracks. Pulls a ten foot factory built mogul master with ease.

Another big factor with the former alpine machines is the blade up front. Good operators can keep a solid flat trail without the NASCAR corners, and if using the blade to prep the snow surface in front of the drag as you go, you don't have to carry as much snow in the drag and it can function as it was designed.

There are two major downsides of the PB's. One is that there are so many hydraulic lines, big and small, with fittings that tend to become leaky with age. Again, Jamie can testify to how frustrating that can be. Also, if a line ruptures on the trail, they can be a real nightmare to repair. The second is that there older machines came with an open faced track bar that was made of a spring steel. Very brittle and easily broken when crawling over rocks and stumps early, late, and during low snow periods. They are spendy! The newer closed face track bars are tenstimes more rugged, but again, very spendy to make that upgrade. FAR club bought a set for one of our machines for 5K and they had pretty rotten track belts. When we mentioned it to the vendor, the reply was that we were buying track bars, not rubber... The long and short of it is that the PB's require good maintemance and observant operators to catch trouble before it gets out of hand and costly.

It is worth noting that my machine with the FAR club ended the season with over 20K hours in the meter... the other machine was over 13K... fairly durable.

Good luck![/b]
Thanks for the information.
I can't tell you what year and etc the machine is....I will go look and post it here.

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Here is a picture.
I suppose with a trained eye you could tell?
I believe it came from a ski hill?

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I've had dealings with many Mercedes diesels in the past and they seem to be bulletproof. If it's the motor I'm thinking of it should be a chain drive OHC configuration that Merecedes used in cars (240D, 300D, etc) as well as in Marine and industrial applications in Turbo & Non-Turbo form. This is a modular platform for M-B and I've seen them in 2 through 5 cylinder configration and each cylinder displaced .6L (600cc), They also sometimes called this a "Nannideisel" in some of the Europoean industrial & marine forms but is the same motor. Parts availability should be excellent through most of your larger auto parts stores. This is not a fussy motor and as long as you use good quality oil and stay after the filters you should have a long & happy life with this unit. Hope this helps...
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Old 09-27-2010, 03:10 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I've had dealings with many Mercedes diesels in the past and they seem to be bulletproof. If it's the motor I'm thinking of it should be a chain drive OHC configuration that Merecedes used in cars (240D, 300D, etc) as well as in Marine and industrial applications in Turbo & Non-Turbo form. This is a modular platform for M-B and I've seen them in 2 through 5 cylinder configration and each cylinder displaced .6L (600cc), They also sometimes called this a "Nannideisel" in some of the Europoean industrial & marine forms but is the same motor. Parts availability should be excellent through most of your larger auto parts stores. This is not a fussy motor and as long as you use good quality oil and stay after the filters you should have a long & happy life with this unit. Hope this helps...[/b]
I appreciate your comments.
We certainly hope we have good luck!

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